IllinoisDave

I thought he was mozart.

I agree that ultimately it ends up being about both in the sense that both are definately affected. But I'd say the vast majority that are denied because of GUZ's suspicion/evidence of fraud involve cases where the USC is not an active/aware party to the fraud.

You are already married. There is no need to get married again in China nor can you even do so legally. As another posted suggested, you only need to get your US marriage certificate authenticated for use in China: 1. Get an original marriage certificate issued by your state Vital Statistics Office. It must have be sealed. 2. This certificate must then be authenticated by your State Secretary of State or Lieutenant Governor. 3. Then it is given to the Chinese consulate serving your jurisdiction. You must be careful because there is only one of approximately 6 Chinese consulates that actually serves your specific jurisdiction. 4. This document is than officially translated by a Chinese notary public. Thanks Bill...Not exactly simple is it...Especially since we were married in Nevada and now reside in Wisconsin... Maybe we'll just forget the whole idea... For all practical purposes, you really don't need a copy of your marriage certificate in China. The days of hotels checking marriage certificates of prospective registrants are virtually over. Still, for visa purposes, it might be useful. I'd bet you could do the whole process via the mail. That's the way I handled most of my documents. My actual reason was if something were to happen to my wife. We have 3 and soon to be 4 houses in China in her name only. Makes me a bit queasy to think of the red tape involved if she were to predecease me. Maybe better would be to just get a will drawn up in China specifying who gets what... Visa issues were in the back of my mind also... In that case, you might want to have a fully authenticated and translated copy of your marriage certificate handy. I wouldn't worry about a will. Under Chinese law, all property (real estate, cars, money, etc ...) obtained by either of the parties during the course of their marriage belongs to both spouses. No exceptions unless specified in written documents agreed to by both spouses -- and even then subject to court approval. As for visas, with an authenticated and translated copy of your US marriage certificate you'll be ok. By the way, the reason you couldn't get married again in China even if you wanted to is because in order to marry in China you must obtain an affidavit from the US consulate stating that you are legally able to marry. To obtain this document you must be either single (never married) or show proof of all prior marriages and how they were terminated. If you can't do that, the consulate must refuse to issue the document. The issue wouldn't be bigamy; can you actually even commit bigamy by marrying the person you are married to? The issue would be perjury. You cannot help but commit perjury by making a sworn statement that you are single when, in fact, you aren't. I bet it'd work in Utah.

I think that Roger is really Jesse, or is it that Jesse is really Roger? Jesse sez that Roggie hates China when he brings these discussions up but he never said that those posting about US corruption hated the USA? Why? Inquiring minds want to know?

I just kick the dog.

Quite rightly oh esteemed leader...I'm more than willing to go with the side that provides more GREASE... Check's in the mail.

But Rog...everybody knows it can't be true if it's in THE NEW YORK TIMES!!

Yes, they are accusing him of misrepresentation or fraud. There is no court anywhere where a case against the consulate can be filed. The court hearing (if one occurs - unlikely) would be held by the USCIS in the United States on whether to revoke the petition. Are you saying they're accusing him directly in this case, in writing, or simply by extension via the denial of the visa to the beneficiary which means they're accusing all petitioners who get denials? If they've put that in writing that's one thing. Otherwise, my take on denials has always been that it's more of an accusation against the beneficiary. That would make a difference only in a libel trial - which won't fly. They (the applicant and beneficiary) are both claiming a bona fide relationship, GUZ is claiming otherwise. Libel is the publication of a false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation. This does not happen. If a misrepresentation or fraud claim is pursued, it is done by the USCIS in the US court system, as has been written about by Marc Ellis. The hearing would be based on evidence supplied by the Dept of State (GUZ in this case), who is usually only interested in denying the visa, and not in any court hearing. Thus, there will normally not be enough evidence. Exactly. I knew we were in agreement.

Let's not go there. Everyone knows that ALL politicians are corrupt to some extent, so an argument of the lesser/greater of evils is pointless. Which is kinda my point.

You could probably start with your current governor, Dave. You know, that governor who put the guber in gubernatorial? Believe me Dennis, our current Gov. is on EVERYONE'S s**t list. B) And the guy he replaced is currently checked into a greybar hotel somewhere in Indiana. We're an equal opportunity state when it comes to political parties and corrupt pols. The references to our dumbass Gov don't bother me so much. It's the reference to "the top guy" earlier that's based solely on partisanship, not fact and has no place here IMHO.

As long as we're making specific references to alleged and non-alleged corrupt pols of one particular party in this country should I start a list of corrupt ones from the other? Cause I guarantee my list will be longer.

Yes, they are accusing him of misrepresentation or fraud. There is no court anywhere where a case against the consulate can be filed. The court hearing (if one occurs - unlikely) would be held by the USCIS in the United States on whether to revoke the petition. Are you saying they're accusing him directly in this case, in writing, or simply by extension via the denial of the visa to the beneficiary which means they're accusing all petitioners who get denials? If they've put that in writing that's one thing. Otherwise, my take on denials has always been that it's more of an accusation against the beneficiary.

Very sorry to hear this. Like the others I'll be interested to hear how things proceed from here. Good luck!!

Speaking as a resident of Illinois, I'm fairly famliar with corruption, political and otherwise. It IS everywhere but I believe Chinese officials have it down to a science like no other place on earth. The sheer size of the country and the difficulty of the the CCP's ability to maintain any real checks and balances over local officials makes it ripe for corruption like few other countries IMHO.

Sorry to hear about this. Do you have it in writing that they accused YOU of fraud? From your OP it sounds like you're saying that the mere fact they denied the visa means they're accusing YOU of lying and being a party to fraud. If that's YOUR personal conclusion you'll never win a libel case. The sad but true fact is that GUZ has done enough of these to know how to cover their a$$es when it comes to denying visas. Good luck nonetheless.

My wife's had moogoo ($$$) work done on her teeth since she's been here mainly due to poor preventative care by her dentist back home. B) Like Randy said, YMMV.

Glad things turned out well for you. I'll echo what you've said and add from personal experience that it's incredibly important to get our wives to an OB-GYN as soon as possible after they arrive. Despite what they tell us, and what they tell us their doctors have told them in China, it's crucial IMHO to have a check-up here as soon as possible. Believe me, you just never know what kinds of things can get lost in translation between Chinese doctors, Chinese wives/fiancees and unsuspecting new American husbands.

I think they will since one of the largest shareholders in that company is a New Zealand corporation. That said, don't expect any compensation to match what you'd get in the States. In the US you'd get a few million $$ for kidney stones caused by tainted milk. In China any compensation would be much, much more realistic. I hope you're right Bill.

Pardon my skepticism about whether those families will ever see any meaningful compensation.

It WAS kinda hard to tell which the Doc was more enraged by, Rog's hyperbole-tinged reference to his skepticism, or the fact that he had the audacity to repeat the suggestion of shoddy construction. While I don't necessarily begrudge Jim the former, it was kinda lost in the sound and fury of the latter. I'm with Rog on the gist of the story. Of course we have no fool-proof way to get the evidence needed to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that no rebar was used or that any other corners were cut for that matter. The Chinese gubmint's well-documented ability to clamp down on any sort of dissemination of that type of information makes it nearly impossible to do that, at least to the degree Jim seems to require. But IMHO before that wall of silence was raised there were enough eyewitness accounts in the immediate aftermath both by people on the scene and people familiar with the construction practices in that area to make a reasonable conclusion that what was being said was very likely true. Would it hold up in a court of law? Maybe not. But not everything presented as "evidence" in a court of law is necessarily true either.

46-10!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XX

CONGRATULATIONS!!

I agree. My wife does practically the same thing. Doesn't bother me...I'm a fairly quick eater my own self.

Ok...I'll ask the obvious question. What province is your fiancee from? Those questions sound to me like ones a VO might ask someone from a "red flag" province.