IllinoisDave

So I was right. You were joking. B) Both the BBS and PBS are well-documented to be some of the most left-slanted news organizations in the world. So naturally, when they publish a story, it has that spin on it. People that agree with that side of the political fence, enjoy getting their news from those sources. I do occasionally look at stories from the BBS, and PBS, but am always sure to balance it out by reading other news sources. Let me guess... Two of those other news sources are FOX cable and The National Review. Yes, I do enjoy a "Fair and Balanced" approach to news reporting, and both of those are good sources. Don't forget The Drudge Report, Washington Times, Neal Boortz, Clark Howard, Mark Levin, and Michelle Malkin. :-) I can tell you what they are not: 1. New York Times 2. The Washington Post 3. USA Today 4. MSNBC 5. CBS 6. The San Francisco Chronicle Now your just becoming a self-parody Jesse. Even Drudge, Boortz Malkin and the Moonie-owned Wash. Times admit they're right wing. You don't even have the intellectual honesty to admit that.

So I was right. You were joking. B) Both the BBS and PBS are well-documented to be some of the most left-slanted news organizations in the world. So naturally, when they publish a story, it has that spin on it. People that agree with that side of the political fence, enjoy getting their news from those sources. I do occasionally look at stories from the BBS, and PBS, but am always sure to balance it out by reading other news sources. Reporting facts, no matter how much you don't happen to like them, doesn't make a news orginization "left-slanted." Fox mixes in a healthy, or unhealthy, dose of opinion and commentary in their "news." That's the difference.

So I was right. You were joking. B)

This looks to be worth seeing. http://www.heraldonline.com/wire/world/story/945673.html

That's therapeutic equipment for back pain correct?

Have you even watched the story Jesse? If not then your comments are ill-informed. If you have seen it then you obviously didn't understand the part of the story that angers the rest of us. So let me spell it out for you. The main culprit in the story is some guy in Colorado who owns Executive Recycling. His website tries to elicit business by stating that other companies ship toxic e-waste to China where it's exposed to workers and the environment. His company, he claims on the other hand, keeps all of our toxic electronic waste right here in the good old US of A, where it is recycled legally and safely. You see it's illegal to ship many types of e-waste overseas, including tvs monitors with cathode ray tubes, which contain large amounts of lead. So his claim is that his business is win-win for everybody. WE get to unload all our toys containing dangerous chemicals that cause cancer and mutations and stuff like that. HE gets to save the environment and make a little money at the same time. And CHINA is protected from more hazardous materials that otherwise would've been illegally shipped to their front door. Just one little problem with our boy's claims about saving the planet. It's bullshit. Turns out that 60 Minutes tracked an overseas container filled with those lead-filled CRTs leaving his company all the way to Hong Kong. And before you bother to impugne CBS/60 Minutes integrity you should know this: Our own GAO just happened to be investigating the same company and conducted a sting that caught the guy trying to illegally sell thousands of CRTs to their decoy broker in Hong Kong. So this is what most of us think makes this guy, and others like him, bad people and "enemies" of not only US consumers who are being duped into believing that our e-waste is being disposed of properly, but of poor, innocent farmers in China as well. Hope this clears things up for you. Dave you must have read Jesse's flip comment about 60 minutes here being the same as 60 minutes there... Why is there any need to know the facts??? Well I know how much of a stickler Jesse is for facts. But Dave there are good facts and there are BAD facts... Good facts come from RIGHT thinking news organizations like Fox... Bad, erroneous facts come from wrong thinking news sources like PBS, BBC, and now CBS... When you don't like the facts you simply impugn the news organization with something like..."everything they report is biased"... "The voices in my head will tell me the real facts in my very own perpendicular universe"... So true Rog. For some, when they're given "facts" they agree with, it's called fair and balanced. When they get facts they DISagee with, it's called liberal elitism. B) You know Dave I do wonder about tag-teaming poor Jesse like this... when he's asleep in China... I sure wish I was strong enough to resist the temptation... Jesse sleeps? Well actually he kind of hangs upside down... Come to think of it...I've never seen him in the daylight. Jesse...we kid because we wuv.

Have you even watched the story Jesse? If not then your comments are ill-informed. If you have seen it then you obviously didn't understand the part of the story that angers the rest of us. So let me spell it out for you. The main culprit in the story is some guy in Colorado who owns Executive Recycling. His website tries to elicit business by stating that other companies ship toxic e-waste to China where it's exposed to workers and the environment. His company, he claims on the other hand, keeps all of our toxic electronic waste right here in the good old US of A, where it is recycled legally and safely. You see it's illegal to ship many types of e-waste overseas, including tvs monitors with cathode ray tubes, which contain large amounts of lead. So his claim is that his business is win-win for everybody. WE get to unload all our toys containing dangerous chemicals that cause cancer and mutations and stuff like that. HE gets to save the environment and make a little money at the same time. And CHINA is protected from more hazardous materials that otherwise would've been illegally shipped to their front door. Just one little problem with our boy's claims about saving the planet. It's bullshit. Turns out that 60 Minutes tracked an overseas container filled with those lead-filled CRTs leaving his company all the way to Hong Kong. And before you bother to impugne CBS/60 Minutes integrity you should know this: Our own GAO just happened to be investigating the same company and conducted a sting that caught the guy trying to illegally sell thousands of CRTs to their decoy broker in Hong Kong. So this is what most of us think makes this guy, and others like him, bad people and "enemies" of not only US consumers who are being duped into believing that our e-waste is being disposed of properly, but of poor, innocent farmers in China as well. Hope this clears things up for you. Dave you must have read Jesse's flip comment about 60 minutes here being the same as 60 minutes there... Why is there any need to know the facts??? Well I know how much of a stickler Jesse is for facts. But Dave there are good facts and there are BAD facts... Good facts come from RIGHT thinking news organizations like Fox... Bad, erroneous facts come from wrong thinking news sources like PBS, BBC, and now CBS... When you don't like the facts you simply impugn the news organization with something like..."everything they report is biased"... "The voices in my head will tell me the real facts in my very own perpendicular universe"... So true Rog. For some, when they're given "facts" they agree with, it's called fair and balanced. When they get facts they DISagee with, it's called liberal elitism. B) You know Dave I do wonder about tag-teaming poor Jesse like this... when he's asleep in China... I sure wish I was strong enough to resist the temptation... Jesse sleeps?

Have you even watched the story Jesse? If not then your comments are ill-informed. If you have seen it then you obviously didn't understand the part of the story that angers the rest of us. So let me spell it out for you. The main culprit in the story is some guy in Colorado who owns Executive Recycling. His website tries to elicit business by stating that other companies ship toxic e-waste to China where it's exposed to workers and the environment. His company, he claims on the other hand, keeps all of our toxic electronic waste right here in the good old US of A, where it is recycled legally and safely. You see it's illegal to ship many types of e-waste overseas, including tvs monitors with cathode ray tubes, which contain large amounts of lead. So his claim is that his business is win-win for everybody. WE get to unload all our toys containing dangerous chemicals that cause cancer and mutations and stuff like that. HE gets to save the environment and make a little money at the same time. And CHINA is protected from more hazardous materials that otherwise would've been illegally shipped to their front door. Just one little problem with our boy's claims about saving the planet. It's bullshit. Turns out that 60 Minutes tracked an overseas container filled with those lead-filled CRTs leaving his company all the way to Hong Kong. And before you bother to impugne CBS/60 Minutes integrity you should know this: Our own GAO just happened to be investigating the same company and conducted a sting that caught the guy trying to illegally sell thousands of CRTs to their decoy broker in Hong Kong. So this is what most of us think makes this guy, and others like him, bad people and "enemies" of not only US consumers who are being duped into believing that our e-waste is being disposed of properly, but of poor, innocent farmers in China as well. Hope this clears things up for you. Dave you must have read Jesse's flip comment about 60 minutes here being the same as 60 minutes there... Why is there any need to know the facts??? Well I know how much of a stickler Jesse is for facts. But Dave there are good facts and there are BAD facts... Good facts come from RIGHT thinking news organizations like Fox... Bad, erroneous facts come from wrong thinking news sources like PBS, BBC, and now CBS... When you don't like the facts you simply impugn the news organization with something like..."everything they report is biased"... "The voices in my head will tell me the real facts in my very own perpendicular universe"... So true Rog. For some, when they're given "facts" they agree with, it's called fair and balanced. When they get facts they DISagee with, it's called liberal elitism.

Have you even watched the story Jesse? If not then your comments are ill-informed. If you have seen it then you obviously didn't understand the part of the story that angers the rest of us. So let me spell it out for you. The main culprit in the story is some guy in Colorado who owns Executive Recycling. His website tries to elicit business by stating that other companies ship toxic e-waste to China where it's exposed to workers and the environment. His company, he claims on the other hand, keeps all of our toxic electronic waste right here in the good old US of A, where it is recycled legally and safely. You see it's illegal to ship many types of e-waste overseas, including tvs monitors with cathode ray tubes, which contain large amounts of lead. So his claim is that his business is win-win for everybody. WE get to unload all our toys containing dangerous chemicals that cause cancer and mutations and stuff like that. HE gets to save the environment and make a little money at the same time. And CHINA is protected from more hazardous materials that otherwise would've been illegally shipped to their front door. Just one little problem with our boy's claims about saving the planet. It's bullshit. Turns out that 60 Minutes tracked an overseas container filled with those lead-filled CRTs leaving his company all the way to Hong Kong. And before you bother to impugne CBS/60 Minutes integrity you should know this: Our own GAO just happened to be investigating the same company and conducted a sting that caught the guy trying to illegally sell thousands of CRTs to their decoy broker in Hong Kong. So this is what most of us think makes this guy, and others like him, bad people and "enemies" of not only US consumers who are being duped into believing that our e-waste is being disposed of properly, but of poor, innocent farmers in China as well. Hope this clears things up for you. Dave you must have read Jesse's flip comment about 60 minutes here being the same as 60 minutes there... Why is there any need to know the facts??? Well I know how much of a stickler Jesse is for facts.

Have you even watched the story Jesse? If not then your comments are ill-informed. If you have seen it then you obviously didn't understand the part of the story that angers the rest of us. So let me spell it out for you. The main culprit in the story is some guy in Colorado who owns Executive Recycling. His website tries to elicit business by stating that other companies ship toxic e-waste to China where it's exposed to workers and the environment. His company, he claims on the other hand, keeps all of our toxic electronic waste right here in the good old US of A, where it is recycled legally and safely. You see it's illegal to ship many types of e-waste overseas, including tvs monitors with cathode ray tubes, which contain large amounts of lead. So his claim is that his business is win-win for everybody. WE get to unload all our toys containing dangerous chemicals that cause cancer and mutations and stuff like that. HE gets to save the environment and make a little money at the same time. And CHINA is protected from more hazardous materials that otherwise would've been illegally shipped to their front door. Just one little problem with our boy's claims about saving the planet. It's bullshit. Turns out that 60 Minutes tracked an overseas container filled with those lead-filled CRTs leaving his company all the way to Hong Kong. And before you bother to impugne CBS/60 Minutes integrity you should know this: Our own GAO just happened to be investigating the same company and conducted a sting that caught the guy trying to illegally sell thousands of CRTs to their decoy broker in Hong Kong. So this is what most of us think makes this guy, and others like him, bad people and "enemies" of not only US consumers who are being duped into believing that our e-waste is being disposed of properly, but of poor, innocent farmers in China as well. Hope this clears things up for you.

What can't be true? According to some on CFL anything shown about China by the BBC or PBS Agreed. It's better to get your news from more objective and balanced sources. I assume you're joking Jesse. Because the BBC and PBS are universally respected as two of the most prestigious, objective and balanced news sources in the world. Same goes for 60 Minutes which, as Roger pointed out, was the actual source for this particular story.

What can't be true?

Yeah, that guy's a lying scumbag. They should send him over there to clean that dump with his bare hands. Dave, you seem to have a burden for this. I think it's a good thing you do. Have you ever considered moving here and helping to educate the poor in China? Have you?

It's just not a perfect world Dave. Sorry, but it's just not. In my view, what happens, is that people of Western and modern nations have become so insulated to the world, that they forget that there are poor living in the very cities where they enjoy heat, a new car, a good job, full stomachs, luxurious shopping malls, and all of the benefits that go with it. Then, they turn on their TV, and watch a program like 60-minutes, or some other expose on the poor in some country other than their own. What is the answer to make everyone comfortable, and eliminate dangerous working conditions, feed the hungry, heal the infirmed? All of the money in the world won't change it. If tomorrow, Joe Good guy walks into town and eliminates all of the unsafe things that the poor of the world do to survive, then what? These people are starving. They are cold and hungry. They live in unsanitary, and repugnant conditions. It's not just here in China; pick whatever third world country you choose. What seems to happen after a newspaper or television programs broadcasts these kind of shows, is that it brings out the "oh, how terrible" crowd. Truly, it is terrible that people have to live this way. Perhaps one day, the world will be strong enough and rich enough to eliminate the hurt the poor feel everyday. In our lifetime? Who knows? Gee, thanks for gracing Candle with yet another of your condescending lectures on how the world isn't a perfect place Jesse. And thank goodness we have you in China to remind us that there are cold, hungry starving people there. What would we do here in our insulated little world if we didn't have you to remind us that it's a jungle out there. You're right. Just ignore all of it. Because that's the fastest way to ensure that things will change.

Yeah, that guy's a lying scumbag. They should send him over there to clean that dump with his bare hands.

Interesting... http://www.boston.com/news/education/highe...r_top_students/

Watch the video Jesse. Because that's one of the points of the piece. Yeah, it's a good way to make a little money...while you're being directly poisoned with toxic chemicals. I know Dave. Watching to poor of China can be pretty heart-wrenching. It is indeed a side of China that easily turns the hearts and stomachs of Westerners. I feel and care for these people, but honestly, they are doing the best they can with what they have. Not too far from our home is a garbage recycling facility. In it, you can see small children, women, young boys, and men all picking through garbage to salvage what they can to sell. Most modern countries are appalled at the site of this sort of thing. You can't just pull the plug on this, and make everything rosey. It will be a part of China for some time to come. Geez Jesse. Is there any lethal working condition we can impose on these people that you won't defend using the "doing the best with what they have" argument? B) Paraphrasing what the guy in the piece said: "We're asking them to choose between poverty and poisoning. We shouldn't be asking them to make that choice." I realize that if China wants to import this toxic crap and let poor people kill themselves salvaging it, that's their business. But we shouldn't have any part in contributing to it IMHO.

Watch the video Jesse. Because that's one of the points of the piece. Yeah, it's a good way to make a little money...while you're being directly poisoned with toxic chemicals.

I'll keep an eye out for the video version and post it when it hits youtube. Thank you. Here ya go. Click on "The Electronic Wasteland" video about 1/3 of the way down. http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml

I'll keep an eye out for the video version and post it when it hits youtube.

American greed plus Chinese desperation equals putting poor people's lives at risk.

They have a segment on tonight about e-waste in Guiyu. Apparently things got a little "testy" with some of the overseers at a dump.

So babies were sickened and killed because corrupt officials covered it up to save the Olympics the embarrassment. Sad doesn't begin to describe it.

Pretty much. The white elephant in the room is that the only real way to cut down on emissions or save the planet from ourselves is to have less of ourselves. Nearly every threat to the health of the planet can be traced back to overpopulation. But people don't even want to discuss that because it would mean talking about people having less babies and that sort of thing doesn't square with what many folk's religious dogma tells them. China at least recognizes that unrestrained population growth is not in it's own best interest from a purely selfish standpoint. But the rest of the world needs to realize that unrestrained growth anywhere isn't healthy for the planet as a whole either. Of course this would require some level of China-style self control among all countries. Which brings us back to Don's dilemma. Who's going to go first?

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