Dan R

Don't you have a cell phone? Verizon has text messaging with China. We use it everyday. I tried several services on line but none would connect to China.

Wow I just got the mail and there was an official response to the letter Trigg sent Maura Harty. It was specific to our case and mentioned our appointment. I'm sending a copy with the other P-4 things this weekend. At least this can't hurt to show I am serious about the visa.

There is no such requirement. I would ask for a supervisor. I wonder what she thinks of hypnenated names.

"the fiance visa, which is much quicker " Would this qualify as an oxymoron?

For China you must have a locally certified divorce decree that has been certified again by the State Department and then authenticated by the Chinese Consulate. I have one that was done this way. It is very decorative I wanted every possibility covered. Always check the local marriage laws as they do vary. We could have married in her city with only the divorce decree and my passport. On her side the city has all her info and the National I.D. card identifies her. They had recently removed the requirement of her parents signature.

From the pictures I've seen it is very green. http://www.lacrosseschools.com/logan/luoyang/a_1.html Here's the Yahoo pic search http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/imag...-tab-img-t&b=21

You decide the value you want to declare for gifts. If you make it under $40.00 I think then they don't pay tax. Of course if lost you can only get what you claimed in compensation. Of course if you are not accurate you may affect the trade balance ratio data. May sound funny but a large percentage of U.S. business with China is not reported. Services, the main business of the U.S. economy are largely unreported. I wonder why they just don't use bank transfer info instead to know the trade balance.

Bukeqi, hey what are CFL brothers for anyway?

I haven't been there but here is something http://www.china04.com/report/louyang.html Here is the 88 year old University there http://www.lync.edu.cn/english/xygk/xyjj.htm The city of Luoyang sits not far from the Yellow River on the west end of Henan Province. Like Kaifeng in eastern Henan, Luoyang is one of China's ancient capital cities. It was the capital of the Xia Dynasty some 4000 (2200-1750BC) years ago; it was the first capital of a unified China under the Shang (1750-1040BC) and the Eastern Zhou (1100-256BC) dynasties. In all, 13 different dynasties used Luoyang as their capital for some period of time. HeNan is an eastern province in China,with the area of 167,000 sq km and its population of 92,560,000 (2000).Of all the provinces,HeNan is the most densely populated.Its terrain is made up of a series of mountains in the west and plains in the east. The Huang He (Yellow River) crosses the northern part of HeNan.Its fertile loess uplands are found in the central area. Wheat is the most important crop;besides, cotton, tobacco, peanuts, and sesame are also grown. Coal is mined, and hydroelectricity is produced with the help of the advanced irrigation and flood-control projects on the Huang He. Manufactures are famous for textiles, iron and steel, heavy machinery, and aluminum,etc. Major cities include the capital, Zhengzhou,a railroad and industrial center;Luoyang,has Longmen caves, with nearly 100,000 Buddhist on the cliffside, and Kaifeng,a commercial,manufacturing and agricultural center. The LongMen Grottos SongShan Mountain SongShan Temple Pagoda ShaoLin Temple The temple is a day away from Louyang. Last trip I wanted to visit Kaifeng, Henan while next door in Shandong. But as always in China I ran out of time. Kaifeng had large Jewish and Muslim populations 1000 years ago involved with the silk route trade (before Marco Polo). Last year one of the Jewish families still there emigrated back to Israel under the law of return. http://www.unc.edu/~ngullett/Louyang.html Here are things other people recommend doing in Luoyang http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Asia/...oyang-BR-1.html Enjoy your trip but I think Luoyang area takes more than 2-3 days to see. But it all depends on your interests.

It's just the opposite. To call someone for fun is to do it at leisure... I don't care about GUZ or DOS responses. I just get an email into their system.. it's a game. Don't take it too seriously. He's learning his lessons well.

I was thinking it would be harder on the ones who know English well and therefor can't make sense out of anything issued for a year being permanent.

I didn't question King, he quoted tthe government gobbledegook. With creativity like that I feel even sorrier for our SOs trying to understand them at interviews.

"Upon endorsement serves as temporary I-551 evidencing permanent residence for 1 year." Is it just me or did I not learn my English class lessons properly? I guess the government people took creative writing

Now you rub salt in the wound. As if I don't know that AOS is the golden fleece.

David I side with sawadee on this. Requiring payment to post I think changes the nature of this community. It also limits input to paying members preventing people with good info (like 001 SOs and most Chinese [who pay accounts in person not over the internet]) from dropping in to let us know something of value. THe other issue is that it makes this into a business which is not for us to decide. A donation button allows for contributions which I think can be enough to maintain the site. Hosting has become cheaper and the bandwidtth available keeps growing as prices drop. Of course these are only suggestions because it is not for us to decide. While the basic set up is still being worked out perhaps we should be concentrating on Blue Thingies and leaving other matters to Don and PJ. While we may be members here, I never received my voter's registration card.

Do you AOS guys have to rub it in. Show a little pity.

I'll second that wahooo I'd like to suggest that a donation button be added to the front door. Paypal and Amazon would cover most people that use internet for pay. The two buttons would make it easy and it can be done to any selected email address. I just hope this place wont get too sheepish.

Paul I agree with your observation. As I have often pointed out things are in transition. There are many changes since the 50's and 60's. The two biggest I think are the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the increased diversity in the United States. It is not only changing in the U.S. but everywhere including China. At one time a girlfriend refused to marry me because she believed there would be no place for our children. I think her concern was similar to J's. Other people took chances and today there are places. There are few places where we would face the dangers of the 50's or 60's but they will probably always exist somewhere by someone. Whast is the norm is shifting and I think the shift is rapid. I can't wait to see the world in 30 years, may I have the pleasure.

Mr. Wang found a head stong woman. There is a definite appeal in that. (you would understand the comment if you ever meet Ping).

I see there are Burbank-Portland flights Sat morning and 7:55 p.m. return on Sunday. Costs about $320.00. This park that the meetup would be at, does it allow in Californian Black Goats?

Uhh Ohh, Jennifer is studying hair dressing now. Sweetheart, I love your hair like it is, please don't go changin. uhh ohh is right... Jim, have her send you a pic when see changes styles and color so you'll recognize her next time.

Hate to burst your bubbles guys but in Bejing, Shanghai and in the rural cities. I saw many women witht red tints, a few blondes and even a few young men with blond hair. The Times They Are A-Changin Bob Dylan Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone. If your time to you Is worth savin' Then you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin'. Come writers and critics Who prophesize with your pen And keep your eyes wide The chance won't come again And don't speak too soon For the wheel's still in spin And there's no tellin' who That it's namin'. For the loser now Will be later to win For the times they are a-changin'. Come senators, congressmen Please heed the call Don't stand in the doorway Don't block up the hall For he that gets hurt Will be he who has stalled There's a battle outside And it is ragin'. It'll soon shake your windows And rattle your walls For the times they are a-changin'. Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is Rapidly agin'. Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'. The line it is drawn The curse it is cast The slow one now Will later be fast As the present now Will later be past The order is Rapidly fadin'. And the first one now Will later be last For the times they are a-changin'.

Maybe if he relays this to Bush while he is in a good mood we will see changes. B)

I think that was $100.00 non refundable or 835RMB. At least we don't have to pay for the phone service to schedule the interview like some other visa classes. I wonder if they would consider running a free of fees day or 2 for 1 at the consulate. I better not ask. They'd probably make it back by making odd calendar days double fee days. Then they'd quickly learn to only schedule interviews on odd days.