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A year ago, my visiting scholar g/f went back home and I was supposed to meet her 2 weeks later in Shanghai, but travel has been banned and I haven't seen her in a year. We talk every day on Wechat and Skype. She was a J1 visitor with 2 year home rule residency requirement. She also has CCP party membership, but just a university teacher in a liberal arts subject, not involved with the government or military, and if she quits CCP she loses her job. We've decided we want to be together forever. I was told I could apply for the K1 today, and they would process starting now. If they finish before the 2 year requirement is met they will wait for it to be met and then issue the visa, so I don't have to wait for it to be met and then apply and wait for the K1 to process. We're worried about the CCP membership with everything Trump said about it. Should we wait for Biden to be in office for a while to apply, or should we apply immediately hoping that we will get it soon after the 2 years expire?

Hi everyone, Thanks as always for all the help! I cannot thank y’all enough for the support and aid y’all have provided in this crazy process! We made it through the interview for her K1 just fine without the CCP membership being an issue. As we near the time to submit our I-485, I’m wondering if it’s necessary to frontload the application with the I-601 for the CCP membership or to wait and see if it ever becomes an issue. On a totally unrelated note, have any of your Chinese spouses changed their last names? It seems like that would cause issues with having a Chinese passport with a different name when traveling in the future. Thanks again everyone!

Hi there! My fiancee doesn't know what the type of membership with the CCP she has. She just says she is the lowest level of member. She joined as a student and hasn't done anything else besides pay her dues. I see a lot of talk about "rank and file members" when talking about the CCP, but I feel like that's always in relation to a job that has "rank and file" duties. I may be totally wrong. I'm just confused. Can anyone clarify this for me? Thanks, Matthew

Hi Everyone, I'm new to the forums. I just joined after I was reading interview questions for Chinese K1 Visa applicants and saw the question about the communist party, which made my stomach drop to say the least. My fiancee joined the communist party this winter/spring (her senior year of college) to put on her resume in hopes that it would help her get a good job following graduation. At this point, we were not engaged and she did not yet have plans to live in the U.S. She has not ever participated in anything CCP related since joining, no meetings, no nothing. I'm worried because she did so voluntarily. She may have had pressure from her family and school, but I'm still concerned. Additionally, she has not been working since graduation. She came to the states to live with me and meet and spend time with my family before returning to China in August. Since then, she has remained unemployed and has begun studying for her GRE in hopes of attending school in the states at some point in the next few years. Has anyone experienced this situation before? If so what were the results? Should she leave the party now? I doubt she will have any proof of doing so, and she hasn't been employed. I'm extremely worried and sad about the whole situation. I just don't know what I should do to move forward. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you

Hello everyone, We applied for our DCF about a month ago, and we received the news of filling out the DS260 and passport copy, photos, etc yesterday night. We received unfortunate news of my mothers passing and rushed here (Texas) from China to attend my mothers funeral, and we will not be able to return to China until July due to I have business here. Will someone be able to turn in these documents through CITIC Bank on behalf of us in China? They have all of the documents already. Please advise Nathan

Been looking it up so much on here, visajourney, and Google but haven't been able to find any approximate processing times for the AP for CCP membership this past year? My wife and I will DCF in May, interview hopefully in July, and on from there have to blue-slip it until they get the AP done and over with... how long has it been taking lately? Nathan

After almost 3 months in Administrative Processing for CCP (wife was preliminary approved in November 2016), we received an email yesterday with the following: Dear Applicants, Under the section 221(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, the Consulate General is unable to issue you an immigrant visa at this time. If you have already submitted your passport to the Consulate General, we will keep your passport with your file pending the issuance of your visa. Further consideration will be given to your visa application after you meet the following requirement(s): REQUESTED DOCUMENT(S): • For All Applicants: Please submit a passport (with at least 8 months validity) and two new visa photos taken within the past 6 months. Starting November 1, 2016, colored or eye altering contact lenses or eyeglasses is no longer allowed in visa photos. For further details on photo requirements please visit: https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/general/photos.html THEN, it states when our police check, medical report and DS-260 will expire. THEN, at the bottom, it states WARNING: IF YOU FAIL TO TAKE THE ACTION REQUESTED WITHIN ONE YEAR FOLLOWING VISA DENIAL UNDER SECTION 221(g) OF THE IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT, SECTION 203(g) OF THE ACT REQUIRES THAT YOUR APPLICATION BE TERMINATED. IN ADDITION, APPLICANTS WHO WAIT MORE THAN A YEAR TO PURSUE THEIR CASE AFTER A 221(G) REFUSAL MUST REPAY THE IV APPLICATION FEE BEFORE PROCESSING OF THE APPLICATION MAY RESUME. Im confused. Is this a denial or the part where they will put in the visa? If so, why do they make the wording sound like a denial? Any help is much appreciated! Thanks! -Flash

Hi all, I only found this website a month or so ago, but it's been so helpful in explaining the whole visa process. I wish I would have found it sooner! I'm hoping to get some advice on our current position. I was teaching in China for 3 years, and we submitted the I-130 in April of 2015 while I was still under contract for a couple of months. Since we had no idea how long this whole thing would take, we figured that I should go back to the US instead of coming back for another year of teaching. If only we had known! My wife had her visa interview for a CR-1 back in August of 2015. She had answered truthfully to the question about being a member of the CPC, so she needed to submit more information regarding her involvement. I helped her draft the answers. It seemed pretty straight forward to me. She had only joined before getting out of college because her parents said it would help her find a job post graduation. It didn't end up doing anything overt. She's a music teacher by trade so maybe being a CPC member looked better on her job application, but their was never any express statement that it was a requirement for her job. She worked at that school for 2 years, then we moved so I could take a new teaching job. At that point she stopped paying her dues, which she said was a simple way to have her membership lapse. I knew that that the CPC membership would be an issue, but I felt her particular case was so superficial that it wouldn't really be a hangup. I was dead wrong. I went back to the US in July and was living with my parents while looking to move. I contacted the local Congressman in November. They got the same reply from the embassy: "administrative processing." After I moved I was in a new congressional district, so in January I reached out to that Congresswoman. Her office was much nicer, but in the end they got the same answer. With February being Spring Festival this year, my wife was pretty miserable and begged me to come back to spend some time with her. Her parents, who she's been living with, have been particularly awful throughout this whole process. They don't understand anything about how the visa application process works and won't listen to my wife when she tries to explain the realities. Her dad still doesn't believe it has anything to do with her CPC membership. I had a job that I could do remotely, so I booked a ticket and came to China just before Spring Festival. I've been here about 3 months on a 120 day visa. We keep expecting there to be a change with her visa status, but there's been no movement at all since she submitted the additional documentation at the beginning of September. I contacted a sentor's office about a month ago, and they're still getting the same stock response. Needless to say my wife and I are pretty miserable and tired of the not knowing. At this point, I'm wondering if talking to a lawyer about a writ of mandamus would be worth the money. Does anyone have any advice for this particular situation? I could recontact the congresswoman's office since it's been more than 90 days since they asked, but I feel like the 3 separate government officials have had no effect. Any advice you all have would be greatly appreciated!

I decide to wait for 2 years instead of appealing because 2 years is not hard to overcome, also because it is harder to appeal from the "mandatory for employment" angle as I never got the job although I tried hard. ========================= Hello, I have learned a lot from this forum since I had to apply for 485. I would like to share some experience of a denied N-400. I have been a LPR in the US for the past 3 years through my USC spouse. When I applied for green card in 2012, I honestly answered "yes" to the communist membership question in my I-485 and explained (1) I have stopped paying the due since the end of 2006 (2)was a bonus for education (3) was mandatory for a job position I was looking for. Because it had been terminated for 5 years at that point, my I-485 was approved and thus I got my green card. However, this year I filed N-400 based on my marriage but it got denied. The decision notes that "you are ineligible for naturalization at this time because you were a member of the CP within the last 10 years". I understand it has only been 8 years since I quitted the party so I do not fit the 10-year waiver. I was prepared to explain that the membership was a must for the job I was looking to but I never got a chance to explain because I got bombed by all tricky questions. Example questions: "do you have any proof or documents that you were out when you said you did?". I carefully explain it is impossible to get such a proof because (1) I am out for many years so my record is likely nowhere to be found. It is easier to prove when something exists, but it is much harder to prove when it no longer exists if something is gone. (2) as a ruling party, CCP can feel offended about members' leaving so it is unlikely to help verify. (3) I do not feel like contacting CCP anyway ever since the departure. Despite my effort, the interviewer only marked "no proof" in the facts. Other tricky questions include: 1) Why did you only passively quit by stop paying dues? Answered because my family work in the government and I do not want to get them in trouble. 2) Why 6 months? Answered it is on the constitution of the CCP. In the denial letter, the stated facts only say "passively quit by stop paying dues for 6 months" "did not have document to prove when he was out/stopped paying the due". None of my explanation were noted. I have already consulted an attorney and was suggested to wait for 2 more years because it is not something hard to overcome, which I agree. But I am really frightened by this interview experience. I think I will need an attorney the next time. Any comments?

I've been in administrative processing for more than 20 months since the K1 visa interview due to my former CCP membership. Don't know what to do :-(

My spouse got a blue slip in Guangzhou today. No reason for the denial was given, but it was likely due to the CCP issue. We provided a letter explaining the membership to them at the interview, and they didn't request any other documents. The officer said it would be 4-8 weeks before they will contact us by e-mail. It's confusing that some people with CCP get preliminary approval but some get a blue slip. There seems to be no rhyme or reason. Edit: In my moody state I didn't say that obviously the letter said that the direct reason is Section 221(g) of the INA. But what I meant was that no further reason was given other than that, when the officer was asked why.

Hi all, I love this forum, My wife and I began this treacherous visa path in September, it has been nothing but blood, sweat, and tears. We finally had our interview today and we are not feeling very good about it. She was not rejected, but "Preliminarily approved." My first question is, what does this mean? Does this imply that after we submit the required documents that she will be accepted? Is there still a chance of rejection? Oddly they asked for my mothers afdt of support as they didn't think that my father's was good enough (actually my father's income is well above the limit so I don't know why they are demanding this) Our main concern is the CCP issue. She is a party member as it was advantageous to employment and scholarship (she received many scholarships). My attorney said that all she needed to do is explain that she joined for these reasons and this would be no problem (last time I listen to her). The consular official gave my wife a form asking her to provide a written statement, such as when she joined, any offices held, degree to which she supported the goals of the party...etc. She is young, her membership wont be cancelled after not paying her membership dues for some time. What is this form exactly? Is it just a way for the consulate to say they did their due diligence or the beginning of a serious investigation? She obviously is not a true Communist as there are hardly anyone in the party today who have any hint of communist feeling. What do they mean by "any offices held?" Unofficial titles? Government posts? One thing my wife and I fear is that her local party leader may have written additional things in her official file that she didn't do. This is common in China, providing empty titles and other nonsense that didn't happen to impress superiors. We don't actually know what is written in her file and we don't want to inadvertently lie to the consulate if they do have the means to see her file. How long will it take for the consular office to approve her visa based on the information I posted? I am going home in June and I do not want to leave my wife in China (she has no place to live after I leave)

I'm a beneficiary of K1 visa and I started following this forum after I was put in AP because of CCP. Yesterday I finally got the visa, so I'd like to share my experience here for future reference. The initial application was filed in the beginning of March. The P1 to P4 parts went fairly quick. I went to take my interview on June 26 this year. At the interview, the visa officer told me that I need to get a police certificate from the UK since I spent 9 months there. According to their K1 instructions at that time (I don't know whether they have updated it since then), I don't need a police certificate if I haven't stayed in that foreign country for over a year. However, she told me that they had shortened the time period to 6 months, even though they hadn't made any changes to the instructions... Oh well... I had no choice but to get it. Interestingly, the question of CCP didn't come up in the interview and I thought I got lucky. Such an illusion. After I finally got the UK police certificate and submitted it a month later. They wound up sending my passport back with a letter asking for a statement on CCP and my resume. I really don't know why they couldn't ask for everything they need at one time. I sent my statement and resume to the consulate by email on that same day, August 13, and started the long wait. The first few weeks were pretty tough. I kept checking the CEAC websites a dozen times a day. Later on, it got easier when I set my expectation to 6 months according to what I read on this website. To my happy surprise, 98 days after I submitted my statement and resume, I got P5 on November 18. During these 98 days, my status on CEAC updated for 10 times. By the time I got P5, my medical report had expired, so I got a new one, submitted everything on November 26, the status on CEAC changed to Issued on December 8, and I picked up my passport in CITIC Bank on December 17. Overall, it took us 9 months to get the visa. I was quite impatient during the AP, so I really want to thank my fiance for his great support and I'm very grateful for everyone who has shared his or her experience on this forum. 98 days seems to be a relatively short wait compared with what I saw on this forum. I hope everyone else can also get the approval at an early date.

It was under administrative processing (probably because she was CCP member?) for just over 180 days (they said contact us again after 90 days if you haven't heard anything, when we contacted them after 90 days then they again said contact us again after 90 days if you haven't heard anything!) I guess her health check and police report expired by now? Anyway now we got this e-mail below, requesting her passport, a new police certificate, and a new health check, and 2 passport style photos which we sent in yesterday through CITIC Bank. We assume this means they are approving the visa and we should have the visa within about two weeks? Are we assuming correct and is that the approximate timeline? We'd love to spend x-mas in USA together, and we're trying to make tentative plans. Any info or tips about this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Immigrant Visa Unit, U. S. Consulate General, Guangzhou Our authorized partner, CGI Stanley, provides a number of services to visa applicants. If you haven’t already done so, please follow the instructions at http://ustraveldocs.com to select a document delivery address. Dear Applicants, Under the section 221(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, the Consulate General is unable to issue you an immigrant visa at this time. If you have already submitted yourpassport to the Consulate General, we will keep your passport with your file pending the issuance of your visa. Further consideration will be given to your visa application after you meet the following requirement(s): Please submit the following documents and this letter through CGI’s designated agent CITIC Bank. For instructions on how to submit the required documents, please refer to the “Application Pending Further Action” page in the Immigrant Visa Section of http://ustraveldocs.com . For All Applicants: Please submit a passport (with at least 8 months validity) and two new visa photos taken within the past 6 months. For All Applicants: Please submit notarized Police Certificate. For All Applicants: Please return to the panel physician for a new medical examination and medical report and then submit the medical report. Please do not submit the chest X-ray.

6/25/2015 - the CGI Stanley usatraveldocs information has been copied to a separate thread for those who entering that phase - CGI Stanley - Step by step Fen and her daughter had a 7:45AM appointment 11-19-2014, for CR-1, & CR-2, sent to us from the NVC, not scheduled through CGI Stanley. Guard said it was best to be there 30 minutes early, and we were. Up against window, not at the door for us. I had to wait outside, of course, once she went in. So I had to go back outside the gate and wait. After Fen and daughter went inside: First a girl checked all the papers and said we need to submit another white book and original of her birth. Not sure why, as they have 2 versions already. Then she took her to a white guy who was medium height, build, looks, just your average guy...(He could have built sandwiches at Subway) He spoke Chinese but said he preferred English, so most of the conversation was in English. He seldom looked up while he talked with her because he was flipping through all the documents the girl collected from my wife. She made him look several times. Questions: (Fen was not sure of order) He asked to look at pics, she handed him one of 5-7 books she had. Then forced him to look at another... He asked for what her husband goes by, what name, and she wisely said my middle and last name, skipping the first name. He asked her to spell my name. He said Ok after she spelled out D O U G L A S, so she stopped. He asked if she has ever been in the USA. No He asked where and how we originally met. She said Chineselovelinks.com He said OK, as if he was familiar with it, no problem. He asked how we contacted each other and she said 2-3 times a day, usually on sky (Skype) and sometimes the phone. He asked who called who, and she said I usually call her but sometimes she calls me. He said OK. (I think they don't like it if the USC does all the initial contact of each conversation, or if the Chinese does not know how to get hold of their spouse.) Where and when married, she explained all. He looked at wedding pics, but would not look up for pics of me with her family. He asked a second time if she had ever been in the USA. She says, No, but my husband has been to see me in China 12 times and then forced the guy to see our little short folder with 13 slots, 12 of which are full of travel receipts for me visits to her. She also told him a second time I was there now and showed my passport again. This time he looked up. It was the only 2 reactions she got out of the guy with a smile and an "oh?". (I wonder if my making some trouble made him really wonder if she had been in the USA illegally or not. I raised hell about Mexico to some of the USCIS agents over the phone in the past, and to Senator Cruz and my House Rep.) She got 2 white papers and a green paper. (We got 1 & 2 below sent thru local CITIC Bank 11-21-2014. We sent the email for #3 11-25-2014. Thus my busyness rather than post right away to you good folks.) 1) One white says she is preliminarily approved, which is a very good thing. They buy the relationship and I am not sure how they could not have. It also said to register with CGI Stanley, which I already did a few weeks ago, but of course there is trouble on their website when the NVC/consulate sets the appointment, IMO. I am still not sure Guangzhou can see that we are registered on CGI. I absolutely do not trust that website or anyone there!!! I think CGI is really for those living in China to file for immigration. It does not seem to work so well for us in the states who file through USCIS, IMO. Front & Backside 2) The green paper was for another set of 2012 & 2013 income tax returns, to be sent through CITIC Bank with the CGI cover page, WooPee CGI, wonder how much of my tax money you collected for that? We got that sent in Friday 11-21. She was told the reason was because there are two I-864 forms. She had the 2 original I-864 signed, and one set of 3 years tax returns, + an original & copy of a letter from my HR along with original & copies of my check stubs for all of this year. They kept the originals , He didn't want 2011, but a second set of the others. My gosh, web sites say to pay the $88 fee for AOS once, when a child is attached to the spouse, Yet, I had a govt. website wanting 2 payments so I did it, OK two sets of everything. Front & Back IV document submission is covered here - Submitting Additional Documents CGI Cover Page for submitting Documents through CITIC Bank Case Number is your GZO or GUZ number. Register or log in here to get UID Number: http://ustraveldocs.com/cn/index.html?firstTime=No and/or https://cgifederal.secure.force.com/?language=English&country=China The "New Application" screen looks like this. You will need to enter your information here, including the Case ID before you can continue. http://candleforlove.com/forums/uploads/gallery/album_737/gallery_1846_737_370664.jpg Cover page that must accompany the above originals, and your documents, letters, etc. to CITIC Bank, who forwards to Guangzhou Consulate. Link to submitting additional Info thru CITIC, find your nearest CITIC Bank, & download the above CGI cover sheet: http://www.ustraveldocs.com/cn/cn-iv-documentsubmissioninfo.asp We discovered that not every CITIC Bank, within your city, is available on the CGI Stanley register and select bank location page, where you select your passport/visa pickup CITIC Bank, location. In fact the one for Changzhou is not even the main Changzhou bank. We were directed from our chosen pickup bank to the main bank not far away to ship our additional documents. Also the bank wanted a 2nd copy of the above CGI cover page, one for inside the unsealed envelope and another they affix on the outside of the envelope. So after you fill the cover sheet out make & take an extra copy. Here is full list of banks, you can click on various tabs to get them all: http://bank.ecitic.com/personal/cgjr/chuguo_1_7.shtml 3) The 3rd paper is white & totally for the CCP membership overcome. She has to provide Chinese and English versions of her resume, & etc in step 1, and answer all questions in step 2. All this is to be scanned in PDF and emailed. We sent that in 11-25. after messaging it per what Randy posted below in post #8. This link, to track your status is rather cool: https://ceac.state.gov/CEACStatTracker/Status.aspx I am encouraged that it was updated 11-26-2014, today, as I edit this post. Here is a passport tracker: http://www.ustraveldocs.com/cn/cn-niv-passporttrack.asp I had a lot of trouble with error messages trying to email the attachments for the above CCP overcome. So the day I emailed the CCP overcome stuff, I wrote an inquiry to Guangzhou Consulate asking if they got the 2 attached PDF files: http://guangzhou.usembassy-china.org.cn/immigrant-visa-unit-question.html I got an email last night 11-25, saying they got them. Boy Guangzhou works much more smooth than ANYTHING on the USA side, like NVC or USCIS. If I had to do all this over again I would have lived in China and started this immigration stuff. Your Sweetie will come out of this door. Go to the right for other visas & etc. Randy W pics are here: http://candleforlove.com/forums/topic/47488-some-pictures-of-the-new-consulate/ We did not send in another white book of her birth. It was not requested by the interviewer or on any of the 3 papers he handed her. (Those CGI guys are another story I have been on the phone with them 2-3 times and sent them 4 messages about trouble with their website, all of which they don't want to believe. Now they want screen shots, so more work to try to help them and users. To be political, where is Halliburton when you need them, at least they know how to get a job done.) Here is the link to register with CGI Stanley. The first issue is that I have nothing but trouble trying to log in. The "captcha" box with the code to write in to show your a real person seldom appears. It took me 2 hours to log in the other day.http://www.ustraveldocs.com/cn/cn-loc-bank.asp Tonight is a rock concert here in Changzhou, and we live one block from the huge sports complex it is held in. These folks really do fill the stadiums like shown on TV. In fact I am told it was on TV live. All the horns honking now as they leave. My wife is getting frisky, so I need to go now. :) So after all this you may need to update or do things here: http://ustraveldocs....ml?firstTime=No and/or https://cgifederal.s...h&country=China To check on Additional or Administrative Processing of application: https://ceac.state.gov/ceac/

Hey people of the internet~ I’m writing this summery up to kill some time since me and my fiancé have been in “administrative processing” for 5 months now and it’s a lazy Friday afternoon here at work. I’ve been doing some internet researching and with some personal experience that I and the fiancé have went through, I’ll try to sum up this whole thing about the “K1-CCP-mess”. This summary is based on my personal experience and it may be TOTALLY different from yours. When I and my fiancé filed for the K1-visa back in June of 2013, we didn’t even have a clue about the whole CCP party thing until the actual interview when she was asked that question. So that was a big shock for us. But anyway, here are some things we learned afterwards. · Do you HAVE TO leave the CCP party in order to get your visa? · Short answer NO-you don’t have to leave · The blue slip you get NEVER said you have to quit the CCP; I emailed the embassy in GZ and called twice. I answer I got was the same. “Just answer the questions” they never verbally said “yes” or “no”, but always said “follow the instructions and answer the questions”. · I read somewhere and heard a lot of people say that if I didn’t pay my dues for a while (2-3 years) that means I’m no longer a CCP member. · Yes, there is such a rule, BUT reality is totally different · What my fiancé found out is that, if you didn’t pay your dues for a while, your membership status set to “frozen” · “Frozen” means YOU ARE STILL A MEMBER! You just don’t get any CCP member benefits (I’m not really sure what “benefits” mean, but I’m pretty sure you can’t apply for a CCP only job if your status is frozen) · So why not just kicked you out if you haven’t paid for the last couple years? · Simple answer is that everyone is a jerk. It’s actually pretty hard to become a CCP member. So when someone lost their job and can’t pay and gets kicked out, they create a mess and its annoying for everyone involve, so there status just gets put as “frozen” and when they pay again its back to normal. · PLUS, the government collects millions in membership dues, why would they kick people out · CCP status – “the travelling circus” · This part took a while for my fiancé to explain to me, but your CCP membership status “travels” with you · For example, if you join the CCP in college, your CCP membership is with the college. When you graduate and find a job (that also is a CCP member, government job, or any ½ owned government venture company) your CCP status is with your new company/job. If you don’t have a job or lost it, you status with the CCP is then sent to your home address’ district. · So if my CCP status travels with me, how/who do I contact to check my status · The simple answer is to follow the money · You have to pay membership dues, so find out who is collecting it and you’ll get your answer. · If you are in college, its someone in the administration office, if you are unemployed its someone in your district, in my fiancé’s case since she was employed, it was her HR manager. The following is my fiancé’s experience with LEAVING the CCP (as I noted above you don’t have to leave the CCP for K1 visa) So my fiancé approached her HR manager and asked her about the whole CCP thing and how to leave. She basically explains to her that the American government is a “troll” and she’s having a hard time getting her visa approved because she’s a CCP member. The HR manager worked for the company for 15 years and no one has ever asked to leave before, and that she doesn’t even know what the correct company policy was. So the HR lady did some research and called her regional HR director. What did we find out..? Basically in the company’s 25 year of operation, NO ONE has asked for such a thing. It is a shipping/port transportation company that is own ½ by the government. Everyone that works there is a CCP member, except for temps or part timers, but those are the company’s lowest position jobs. Basically asking to leave the party is about the same as quitting the job. But, the regional director did some digging, and found out that is wasn’t that hard to leave. All my fiancé has to do is to provide an explanation in an email to her HR manager. The HR manager forwards that email to the HR director and the director forwards that email to the company’s “upper management”. You need at least a 75% “Yes” vote and that was it. In her case, about 47 management/director level people read the email, and she got a 95% approval vote, some people didn’t reply because they just didn’t want to or on vacation, but there wasn’t a “NO” vote. If you’re thinking, wow that’s kind of archaic, that’s what I thought too. As noted above, your CCP status “travels” with you. Where you end up at, determines how and what method is used to terminate your CCP status. Your college might use a different method, your company may use another, and same goes for your district supervisor. It could be really easy or really hard. There isn’t a main CCP office or building you go to, to put in an application to leave the party. We did run into an issue though. Even if you do get the paperwork that states you are no longer a CCP member, there is a 99.9999999999999999999999% chance that, that piece of paper work will NOT be notarized. My fiancé went to 5 companies trying to get her paper notarized and they all turned her away. Leaving the CCP is still a big taboo in China, and no one will stick their necks out to notarize such a piece of paper. I assume this is the reason why the embassy never said or instructed you to leave the CCP in the first place. But she was able to find a law firm to do the paperwork translation for her. So, we sent in all the paperwork, with the explanation letter and paperwork in. My fiancé expected that she’ll be fired or layoff after this whole ordeal, but she is still there working for the company. She was even promoted 4 months later. BUT, I’m pretty sure everyone’s case will be different. Leaving the CCP in a company that is CCP members only is the same as asking to be fired. My fiancé does the worked that 3 other people does, so there is a reason why her company kept her. Anyway, that is how my K1 application was like. We’re still in “AP” for the last 5 months, so hopefully we hear something soon. I read that the average is like 6-8 months. But if you’re thinking if it is faster if your fiancé left the CCP, I’m pretty sure it will not since it isn’t any faster for me. Hope this summary help some of you folks out since I’m in the same boat as all of you here reading this section of the site.

We submitted the application, and she received what I imagine is the blue slip (am i right?) Which states: "Your case requires additional processing, We will contact you and inform you of our decision. You may want to contact us every few months to check your case's status via the online form available" it says CCP with the box checked requesting explanation about her party membership affiliation. Also, it said it has insufficient information about my (I am the american) residency in USA, and asked me to submit evidence of job search and residency in USA. (they hand wrote "job search" on to the form). They also requested an I864-A and tax returns. Anyway, we submitted these about 65 days ago, and I have contacted them by the "online form" several times, but every time they just say "if you haven't heard back from us within 90 days then contact us again" What is the average wait time for people in my situation? Is there anything I should be doing in the mean time? Did I get the "blue slip"? how common is it and what does it really mean? My wife is worried and doesn't understand the situation very well, I try to console her, but I don't really understand the situation well myself. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks blue.rock

Hello guys, I have a question about my upcoming interview. But first a bit of background. I am an American Citizen, and my wife is Chinese, living in the US for the past 5 years on an F-1 visa. When she was in college, her parents pretty much forced her to join the CCP, and she never quit. Her membership is nominal, as she has never attended any meetings, held any offices, or even paid any dues. She told me that she doesn't have to pay membership dues because she is supposed to receive some money from the party every year (which she never collected) that exceeds the party dues amount. We recently got married, and last month we filed for Adjustment of Status from F-1 to Permanent Resident. On form I-485, we truthfully indicated that she is a nominal member of the CCP. Couple of days ago, we received a notice that our case is in the "Testing and Interview" stage. My question is will the CCP issue cause any delays? I searched through the forums as well as visajourney.com, and the great majority of the folks her are adjusting from K-1, where the CCP issue is addressed during the interview in China, and a blue slip is usually given and handled before coming to the US. However, since the upcoming interview will be the first time my wife's CCP membership issue will be addressed, what should we expect going in. Also, what can we take from us that can mitigate the need for an RFE after the interview, i.e. an affidavit of sorts. Anyway, thank you for any help or insights that you may have.

(Not sure if this is the right forum, if not please move.) My fiancee has received the P5 for her K-1 and we are preparing for her to finally arrive in the U.S. She wants to and believes she needs to quit the Communist Party (CCP). Interestingly, she cannot find a bunch of information about this. Does anyone know what is the best way to quit the Communist Party? Is there a formal process to follow? I read the CCP FAQ on this site which states that you just stop paying and then after some time you just stop being a member. Just curious if anyone had some new or recent information about this. Thanks, -scovitz

Hi folks, First entry. Leaned a lot from CFL. Thanks for the gathering and sorting of info and especially personal, true, experience shared. I met my fiancé while studying in the US. We were engaged at the time but not married (now regret). Because I am under the 2-year-homecountry-stay rule, due to a previous J1, we have been separated for more than a year now (only saw each other twice by traveling). We are looking forward to the day that we will finally be together. So as to the visa, K-1 visa seems obvious, a little slower and less securer than CR-1 as I have read. A headache is the CCP problem. A better chance of such relief could be attained by marriage as read. Another option is for me to fly over (I do have a B1/2 available), get married, and then return to China, and wait the two years out, while waiting for CR1. It does seem that CR-1 has a better chance than K-1, especially with the CCP complication. Different sayings have appeared online. Some say it's a visa fraud by marrying on tourist visa. Some say it's alright as long as don't apply AOS right away, just go back to home country. Some say it will "look bad" and give a hold to the authority. I personally don't mind fly over at all. But is it really helping by getting married? Thanks ahead~

My new girlfriend has a one year "M" B-2 visa and has already been to my lovely city already. We contacted a lawyer and he said doing a CR-1 here is not too much of an issue? She has a 14 year old son, and what is quicker to bring him here my thinking is K-1? The other issue is she was CCP when she taught at a university, is that better handled in the USA or in China?

In 2011, CFL member Cathy & Bruce documented their CCP and Consular experience in a MS Word Document, which may be found here - CCP Essay Also check topics tagged AP, CPC, and CCP The John F.Roth and Associates law firm was able to research the applicable standards for review, and counsel their client on how to present her Communist Party membership during the Consular interview. - "Laurie's memorandum" is apparently no longer available, but many of the applicable standards are covered in Cathy & Bruce's Word Document. CCP and Consular Processing download link for Cathy & Bruce: CCP Essay - http://www.candleforlove.com/FAQ/CCP_Essay.doc The original discussion thread, consisting of the entire Word document in forum-searchable format, is here - http://candleforlove.com/forums/topic/43921-ccp-membership-issues/

Thanks to all who read this and respond. I am in a tizzy about this. On December 30 my fiancé had her interview in Guangzhou and she was approved for a visa but additional information was required from us. During her working career she worked for the government in an agricultural management position. During her life she never joined the CCP but at the interview when the VO asked her if she was or had ever been a member, he did not believe her when she answered “NO”. He concluded the interview giving her three sheets of paper with instructions to submit a Resume and a document stating her experience in the CCP. Well, we submitted that same day the resume and two letters explaining that she was not nor had ever been a member of the CCP along with very detailed reasons why she had never joined. We are now completely up in the air as to what to do next. On other CCP threads on CFL I have read about a 3 to 6 month wait for an application to be submitted to, reviewed by, and sent back to Guangzhou by someone in Washington DC. If that is the case, we are resigned to waiting the additional time. That is not the problem here. The problem is that on the three page form she received at the interview it stated: “Your immigrant (or K) visa application has been approved; please follow the above instructions and submit your passport(s) with at least 8 months validity, new visa photos taken within the last 6 months. When your passport has been received and your visa has been printed, your passport along with your visa packet will be delivered to your selected document pick-up location.” This has us a little puzzled. Does it mean the visa is approved and there will be “no” additional processing time? Unlikely I think, but one can dream. Or… are we to continue to wait until we receive a mailed letter (or will it be an email?) from the Consulate on when we are to return, and we are to deliver the passport directly to the Consulate at that time. Or… are we supposed to submit her passport and photos now?… and then wait for the passport to be returned with the Visa?? Will the 3 to 6 month wait still apply? Or were they just after her Resume and statement, with no wait for submission to Washington DC for review and approval? If this is the case, I can not figure out how we are supposed to submit the passport since they did not take it at the interview. Do we mail it (and help me here… what address and in care of who???) or do we send it through the CITIC branch where we are supposed to ultimately pick it up? Thanks again for your assistance. P.S. Has anyone ever deliberately lit a match to $3,000.00? I did, when I hired a local Idaho immigration attorney. They are only good for illegals.

Hi all, I am a first time poster but long time fan of the forums! I applied for a IR-1 on behalf of my wife in Beijing earlier this year, back in February, and she had her interview in Guangzhou on May 21st this year. Everything went well, but because she was a party member we had to do the obvious admin processing. I had prepared all the documents for admin processing related to party membership they require for this beforehand (before the interview), after talking to some friends and reading on this forum. My wife let them know about her party membership at the interview and gave them all the documents. They mentioned they needed no other documents and that her case would be processed within 4-6 weeks or so. I followed up with them after 6 weeks (I know it normally takes 60+ days) to see if they needed any additional documents and they mentioned they were good and just to wait. I follow up with them once a month or so but her case is still in admin processing after 120 days or so. I know there are a couple holidays in there, and the consulate move, but is this amount of time normal? I've seen 60-100 days on the forums but 120 days seems long, especially when no other documents were required. My wife joined in College at the urging of her professor and roommates due to her being an excellent student. She never attended a meeting after joining and didn't work in a position that required membership, nor has she worked in the government. Her mother paid her dues on her behalf each year because the local neighborhood party guy would bug them like hell to do it. I understand this doesn't change the fact she was a party member, but it seems odd that it's taking this long. Is this amount of time normal, or does the level of membership in the party not really matter? Thank you for any assistance or advice you all can provide me!

Hello, My husband just recieved a letter in the mail denying his naturalization. I was a little surprised since I did not personally know of anyone who had not passed before. The reason has to do with him being a former CCP member. Below is an excerpt of his letter: On October 5, 2009, you obtained permanent residence status through your spouse in immigrant classification Ir1. USCIS received your form N-400 on June 24, 2013, and on September 11, 2013, you appeared for an interview to determine your eligibility for naturalization. During the naturalization interview and review of your application, the Immigration Services Officer asked you about your involvement in the Communist Party. You stated that you were a member of the Communist Party and that you stopped paying the membership fee since 2008. You also stated that you joined the Communist Party for a better future. According to your statement, you had a been a member of the Communist Party within the 10-year period immediately preceding the filing of your application for naturalization on June 2, 2013. Your membership was voluntary since you stated that no one forced you to join the Communist Party. You did not terminate your membership of or affiliatioin with the Communist Party prior to becoming 16 years of age because at the time you stopped paying membership fee, you were in the age of around 26 years old (2008). Based on the foregoing, you are ineligible for naturalization because you failed to establish an attachment to the principles of the US Constitution and be disposed to the good order and happiness of the US. My questions are these: 1.) The letter goes on to explain how we can overcome the grounds for denial by submitting a Form N-336. The cost is around $600 to do this and it doesn't seem likely the decision will be overturned (but I really don't know how high the rate of overturned appeals are). Has anyone had to go through this process and what more could we possibly say to help his cause? He joined the CCP in his mid twenties for a chance at a better job position (but did not get the job in the end) and said that once someone stops paying their dues after 6 months, they are not a part of the CCP anymore. He stopped in 2009 sometime. 2.) I looked online about non-profit immigration organizations but haven't found very many in the Sacramento, CA area. Does anyone have any experience with these types of organizations and do you think they will help our cause? 3.) My husband doesn't want to appeal because of the cost (it is a lot for us) but I'm afraid this will somehow affect his chance either at extending his 10 yr green card or another try at naturalization in the future. Can anyone elaborate on this? 4.) What do we have to prove with this sentence? He is a law abiding citizen, he pays taxes, he hasn't been in any trouble with the law. I'm really not sure how to interpret this... Based on the foregoing, you are ineligible for naturalization because you failed to establish an attachment to the principles of the US Constitution and be disposed to the good order and happiness of the US. My husband said that when he faced the interviewer, he felt the officer was already in a bad mood and was not friendly in any way. The officer had a thick accent, so when my husband asked if he could ask the same question again, the officer barked that he should be able to understand and answer the question if he wanted to be an American citizen. The officer then asked my husband about the CCP connection and my husband said that a letter had been enclosed in the packet, but the officer insisted on asking him a lot of the questions. I can understand this, maybe he wanted my husband to elaborate on his answers. The officer sent him home with a paper that said he didn't pass the US History portion, We thought we would get a letter asking him to come back for another interview to retake the portion he failed. We were very surprised he received this letter. Based on what my husband relayed to me, I feel like the officer was in a bad mood and chose my husband as a whipping boy. My husband is a very hard worker and a humble person. I know of other people whose character could be questioned and were once CCP members that have become citizens. I feel that this situation with the officer and his treatment of my husband was unfair. Could anyone offer advice, please? Thank you, Christal