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Is anyone willing to chance it? Especially with some of the surprise blue slips getting passed around? I wonder if anyone has any experience with this subject.............

I, like everyone else is getting a little about this wait wait wait thing, but we got our P2 in the beginning of Sept, and I was wondering if anyone has recieved their P3 yet that also got P2 in Sept?

I just discussed this with my lao........oops, fiance, and we decided that we know our love for each other, and it is better that we do not do anything to cause delay at the interview. We know we are not married, but GZ does not, so we will keep the LP/LG out of our talk, both written and verbal. The VO's are known to ask questions using the term "your Lao gong" or "your husband", and if the SO does not counter and say we are not married, he is my fiance, then it could raise suspiciion.

I have heard that the Guangzhou consulate is the busiest American consulate in the world, and average visa time is 6 months or less for all other consulates. Here it has been 9 to 10 months, and I believe they are trying to reduce that time now. I believe it is simply a huge number of applicants and just one consulate to process them all.........and it is not just K1, it is for all other visa types too.........tourist, business, student, etc

Yes, these endearments should show that the two are a close couple, yet it actually can jeopardize the visa. In a way, such innocence leads to guilt. My SO said that in China, a plain ol' boyfriend/girlfriend can use the lao gong/po terminology. Yet, what matters is what the VO thinks. We have a 4 month period of using these terms very loosely and frequently, and is on all MSN Messenger talks (daily) and emails. Any suggestions what we shoudl do about this, if anything, when we present our evidence to support our relationship (and show that we are really not married)???

166932[/snapback] What I dont understand, is why do they ask for a 'single certificate' if they are going to suspect a marraige to begin with? The cert is a notarized govt doc. I dont get it! 166949[/snapback] keep in mind that this "status of single" certificate is easily false! Anybody can claim they are single on this - it really is just your statement that you are single. I don't think it is verified. CFL members - please correct me if I am wrong. 166950[/snapback] She also got a cert from a govt office different from the notary office that stated that she had not been married since 2002. This is an official govt statement, and I think the govt has started keeping a computer database with legal records of marriages. So, she has both this and her own statement. So's may want to look into this

There are far too many however that conduct secret wedding ceremonies in China in an attempt to defraud the US government. 166932[/snapback] What I dont understand, is why do they ask for a 'single certificate' if they are going to suspect a marraige to begin with? The cert is a notarized govt doc. I dont get it!

My SO had an interesting question........for about 4 months she has been using as an MSN messenger name "Wo ai lao gong", and we both use the terms lao po and lao gong very freely, although we are not gotten married. She changed it after my first visit to see her when I asked her to marry me. Almost all of our 'evidence' include these terms. I have seen posts where the K1 visa was not given at the interview because the VO got suspicious the couple was married. Could these terms lead the VO to think we are married, when we are not? Or do they accept this as common terminology even though a couple is not married? Thanks for any help !

What provider are you using? Mine is charging way more than that !

We use MSN primarily, and occasionally yahoo, and both services have the means to save the written chats to your computer. Then you can print what you want. We will use this as our proof, since the talk is free. You can also use the PRINT SCRN on your keyboard and copy it to a WORD doc, and that will show the picture of your MSN screens with the writing, webcam pics of both of you, etc.

---NVC said they finished our file and sent it both electronically and via DHL on 9/23...........however she could not verify the day that DHL actually picked it up. Since 9/23 is a Friday, we are 'guessing' it was sent the following Monday 9/26. The package has been on-hand. We were told by DHL that 'on hand' and 'gateway' means it sits in customs until the consolate asks for it. Another call to DHL today said it will be delivered on Monday 11/7 to teh consolate. Over one month to wait just for NVC to GZ.

I use UPS and send second day air. I think 2 day was about $35, but they do deliver! Also, DHL is good too.

I used a pay service that gets the visa for you if you are not near an embassy (passport needs to be hand delivered to the embassy). She was very helpful and friendly and I intend to use her service again. Tara Hu 1-202-309-2688 www.chinavisatogo.com email: visa@chinavisatogo.com She was extremely helpful and can help you decide what and how to get what you need. Ken

Try their website under the 'contact us' section. I believe you have to use their email format there. I just did this 2 weeks ago to change my SO's address, we are also awaiting P3. I believe the instructions for address change are on the site too under their FAQ section....the change must be faxed. Good Luck ! http://www.usembassy-china.org.cn/guangzhou/iv/

I paid and called twice to find out if they recieved the file from NVC and both times got canned responses.

Very good, very powerful words, thanks for the offering !

I'm a Pink Floyd fan, I think I want to know more about Madame Pearl ! Ahem, I think I am getting a cold.

The question to ask is... why don't you give up everything for HIM? Look, if he is doing just fine in China, why don't you go ahead and move to China? You can marry him, settle down, become a happily married couple, perhaps even start a family. Or you can take option B: Long distance relationship for at least a year, lots of money spent flying back and forth, tearful goodbyes at the airport, hassles of dealing with the consulate in GuangZhou, worries about the interview. And all for the same outcome that you can have RIGHT NOW, but in China instead of the USA. On edit: How to tell is she/he is the one-- Would you be willing to leave everything in the USA behind and start a new life in China with your fiancee? A lifetime of unfamiliar customs, rude people trying to remind you that you are an outsider, living under a different legal code and system of government, etc.? Because that is what you are asking of your fiancee. I would have been willing to stay in China with my wife, came close to packing it up in the USA to permanently relocate when she started to have trouble getting the visa. And if I thought the USA did not agree with her I'd be the first to suggest we return to China. Are you willing to do this for him? 155335[/snapback] Moon........I like what you say, it seem both our beliefs are very similar. Marriage should be 'xi sheng', or sacrifice. The question we should always ask ourself is, 'what can I do for my spouse', not 'what can my spouse do for me'. When both just want things from the spouse, it just leads to disagreements. If both will sacrifice for each other, then the marriage will work.

bearbear, regardless of his wealth and status, he is willing to give up everything to be with you, and I think this is a pure demonstration of his love for you. If you have asked him to do this, and he has said yes, then I would guess he is doing it for you, to be with you, because his love for you is greater than his love for himself. Regarding seflishness, only you can judge this. Are you willing to do the same for him? Is your love for him greater than your other desires (like live in the US)? Is he more important than your country, family, lifestyle, etc, and are you willing to give up everything to be with him in China, so he does not have to make this transition? Ni xin teng ta? I think the best way to keep selfishness in check is to tell him he does not have to make the move, and you are willing to stay in China with him, and really mean it in your heart and be ready: he may accept this offer! However, I believe he will still choose to move to America. We all want choice and to know our spouse will do the same thing they ask us to do. I had to look at my own heart.......I am asking her to sacrifice everything to be with me.....can I do the same for her? She was elated to know she was loved more than everything else I valued, when I told her that yes, if she wants, I will move to China. We agreed that she will come to the US, but within a few years we will go to China. As the good book says (in my own words) "Do for others the same thing you want them to do for you". Can you? Good luck to you both ! ! !

If California is no fault, then it is much like Colorado. You file, pay the fee, and that is really all it takes. The court really does not care why you want a divorce, you dont have to prove anything, it is just a matter of paperwork and time. Where the courts will show concern, is that both have agreed to how they want to split everything....they dont care how you split it........all they want to know is if you agree on whatever plan you make. In a no fault divorce, the only thing I know that the court will make special orders, is regarding children and child support. The courts protect the child. Outside of that, if you both can make your own agreement on how to split assets, alimony, etc, and the court will approve the divorce. They wont even look at the agreement, unless one of you contests and makes a stink about it. In that case, the court will no make recommendations, but will just pressure you both to agree on something.

Now that statement is truth ! That is why the K1 processing fee went to $165.........to pay the cleaning lady to keep dust from accumulating............ This is government efficiency !

With the other visa pending, I believe the consulate will not issue a tourist visa. I think probably everyone here has looked into that scenario. The reason, is she is an intending immigrant, and a tourist visa is a non-immigrant visa, and can only be issued to someone who intends to return to China permanently. She intends to come to the US, so therefore, they will not issue the B2. Welcome to CFL, grab a beer, and cry your sorrows with the rest of us !!

Find your state or county webpages for Ca, they should have the forms.

I think you do need to file in both countries, but I am not sure, I do believe it would be recommended. I don't know where to lead you for the China divorce, but perhaps the American Embassy may have an idea? I think it is more difficult to divorce there....there has to be a really really good reason for the divorce (some states in US are "no-fault" meaning no reason has to be proven, just 'file and smile'). I have a friend in China who's wife left him. China would not give him the divorce until he was 2 years separated. When the 2 years was reached, the divorce was almost instant, but he had to wait the full 2 years. In the US, it is a state by state issue, and each state has different laws and procedures. You may want to start with your state, county, and city webpages, perhaps do a search 'california marriage dissolution' . Had to do this myself in Colorado in '03. Not something I like to boast having experience in, but I hope it is helpful! Good luck.