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In 2011, CFL member Cathy & Bruce documented their CCP and Consular experience in a MS Word Document, which may be found here - CCP Essay Also check topics tagged AP, CPC, and CCP The John F.Roth and Associates law firm was able to research the applicable standards for review, and counsel their client on how to present her Communist Party membership during the Consular interview. - "Laurie's memorandum" is apparently no longer available, but many of the applicable standards are covered in Cathy & Bruce's Word Document. CCP and Consular Processing download link for Cathy & Bruce: CCP Essay - http://www.candleforlove.com/FAQ/CCP_Essay.doc The original discussion thread, consisting of the entire Word document in forum-searchable format, is here - http://candleforlove.com/forums/topic/43921-ccp-membership-issues/

A number of CFL members have asked whether current or prior membership in the Chinese Communist Party is an impediment to the granting of a K-1, K-3, CR-1, or IR-1 visa. The most common instance seems to be a situation where CCP membership is required or "strongly suggested" in order to hold a particular job. How does the consulate deal with this and other similar situations where membership is in name only and not active? Does resignation from the CCP have any impact on the granting of a visa? Are there instances where CCP membership is grounds for an outright denial of a visa?

Thanks to all who read this and respond. I am in a tizzy about this. On December 30 my fiancé had her interview in Guangzhou and she was approved for a visa but additional information was required from us. During her working career she worked for the government in an agricultural management position. During her life she never joined the CCP but at the interview when the VO asked her if she was or had ever been a member, he did not believe her when she answered “NO”. He concluded the interview giving her three sheets of paper with instructions to submit a Resume and a document stating her experience in the CCP. Well, we submitted that same day the resume and two letters explaining that she was not nor had ever been a member of the CCP along with very detailed reasons why she had never joined. We are now completely up in the air as to what to do next. On other CCP threads on CFL I have read about a 3 to 6 month wait for an application to be submitted to, reviewed by, and sent back to Guangzhou by someone in Washington DC. If that is the case, we are resigned to waiting the additional time. That is not the problem here. The problem is that on the three page form she received at the interview it stated: “Your immigrant (or K) visa application has been approved; please follow the above instructions and submit your passport(s) with at least 8 months validity, new visa photos taken within the last 6 months. When your passport has been received and your visa has been printed, your passport along with your visa packet will be delivered to your selected document pick-up location.” This has us a little puzzled. Does it mean the visa is approved and there will be “no” additional processing time? Unlikely I think, but one can dream. Or… are we to continue to wait until we receive a mailed letter (or will it be an email?) from the Consulate on when we are to return, and we are to deliver the passport directly to the Consulate at that time. Or… are we supposed to submit her passport and photos now?… and then wait for the passport to be returned with the Visa?? Will the 3 to 6 month wait still apply? Or were they just after her Resume and statement, with no wait for submission to Washington DC for review and approval? If this is the case, I can not figure out how we are supposed to submit the passport since they did not take it at the interview. Do we mail it (and help me here… what address and in care of who???) or do we send it through the CITIC branch where we are supposed to ultimately pick it up? Thanks again for your assistance. P.S. Has anyone ever deliberately lit a match to $3,000.00? I did, when I hired a local Idaho immigration attorney. They are only good for illegals.

Hi all, I am a first time poster but long time fan of the forums! I applied for a IR-1 on behalf of my wife in Beijing earlier this year, back in February, and she had her interview in Guangzhou on May 21st this year. Everything went well, but because she was a party member we had to do the obvious admin processing. I had prepared all the documents for admin processing related to party membership they require for this beforehand (before the interview), after talking to some friends and reading on this forum. My wife let them know about her party membership at the interview and gave them all the documents. They mentioned they needed no other documents and that her case would be processed within 4-6 weeks or so. I followed up with them after 6 weeks (I know it normally takes 60+ days) to see if they needed any additional documents and they mentioned they were good and just to wait. I follow up with them once a month or so but her case is still in admin processing after 120 days or so. I know there are a couple holidays in there, and the consulate move, but is this amount of time normal? I've seen 60-100 days on the forums but 120 days seems long, especially when no other documents were required. My wife joined in College at the urging of her professor and roommates due to her being an excellent student. She never attended a meeting after joining and didn't work in a position that required membership, nor has she worked in the government. Her mother paid her dues on her behalf each year because the local neighborhood party guy would bug them like hell to do it. I understand this doesn't change the fact she was a party member, but it seems odd that it's taking this long. Is this amount of time normal, or does the level of membership in the party not really matter? Thank you for any assistance or advice you all can provide me!

Hello, My husband just recieved a letter in the mail denying his naturalization. I was a little surprised since I did not personally know of anyone who had not passed before. The reason has to do with him being a former CCP member. Below is an excerpt of his letter: On October 5, 2009, you obtained permanent residence status through your spouse in immigrant classification Ir1. USCIS received your form N-400 on June 24, 2013, and on September 11, 2013, you appeared for an interview to determine your eligibility for naturalization. During the naturalization interview and review of your application, the Immigration Services Officer asked you about your involvement in the Communist Party. You stated that you were a member of the Communist Party and that you stopped paying the membership fee since 2008. You also stated that you joined the Communist Party for a better future. According to your statement, you had a been a member of the Communist Party within the 10-year period immediately preceding the filing of your application for naturalization on June 2, 2013. Your membership was voluntary since you stated that no one forced you to join the Communist Party. You did not terminate your membership of or affiliatioin with the Communist Party prior to becoming 16 years of age because at the time you stopped paying membership fee, you were in the age of around 26 years old (2008). Based on the foregoing, you are ineligible for naturalization because you failed to establish an attachment to the principles of the US Constitution and be disposed to the good order and happiness of the US. My questions are these: 1.) The letter goes on to explain how we can overcome the grounds for denial by submitting a Form N-336. The cost is around $600 to do this and it doesn't seem likely the decision will be overturned (but I really don't know how high the rate of overturned appeals are). Has anyone had to go through this process and what more could we possibly say to help his cause? He joined the CCP in his mid twenties for a chance at a better job position (but did not get the job in the end) and said that once someone stops paying their dues after 6 months, they are not a part of the CCP anymore. He stopped in 2009 sometime. 2.) I looked online about non-profit immigration organizations but haven't found very many in the Sacramento, CA area. Does anyone have any experience with these types of organizations and do you think they will help our cause? 3.) My husband doesn't want to appeal because of the cost (it is a lot for us) but I'm afraid this will somehow affect his chance either at extending his 10 yr green card or another try at naturalization in the future. Can anyone elaborate on this? 4.) What do we have to prove with this sentence? He is a law abiding citizen, he pays taxes, he hasn't been in any trouble with the law. I'm really not sure how to interpret this... Based on the foregoing, you are ineligible for naturalization because you failed to establish an attachment to the principles of the US Constitution and be disposed to the good order and happiness of the US. My husband said that when he faced the interviewer, he felt the officer was already in a bad mood and was not friendly in any way. The officer had a thick accent, so when my husband asked if he could ask the same question again, the officer barked that he should be able to understand and answer the question if he wanted to be an American citizen. The officer then asked my husband about the CCP connection and my husband said that a letter had been enclosed in the packet, but the officer insisted on asking him a lot of the questions. I can understand this, maybe he wanted my husband to elaborate on his answers. The officer sent him home with a paper that said he didn't pass the US History portion, We thought we would get a letter asking him to come back for another interview to retake the portion he failed. We were very surprised he received this letter. Based on what my husband relayed to me, I feel like the officer was in a bad mood and chose my husband as a whipping boy. My husband is a very hard worker and a humble person. I know of other people whose character could be questioned and were once CCP members that have become citizens. I feel that this situation with the officer and his treatment of my husband was unfair. Could anyone offer advice, please? Thank you, Christal

Hello everyone, I am new here. And I have been on the Forum a lot and gained a lot of useful information. I am in the process of bringing my parents to USA through IR5. I have a question regarding CCP statement. I am translating my mom's resume and statement from Chinese to English. Are these documents need to be notaries? Or they just need to sign the letter? Thank you in advance.

Hi, all, First, thank you to Dan and all the mods for these great forums. My wife and I are preparing to do a DCF here in Beijing. I found this recent post (and the rest of the thread) to be very helpful in letting us know how to set up an appointment and what to expect. I am sending out the email tonight, hopefully we will be able to go in in early March to file From other posts in the forums, I expect the DCF to take about 4 months to go from filing to interview in Guangzhou. A question: when/where can we sign up for paperless notification? Is that a possibility, or does everything need to be mailed? If it's an option, I think we'll have things mailed to my wife's work address, as mail/courier delivery there is more reliable than delivery to our apartment. Once we get to Guangzhou, things are going to grind to a halt, as my wife is a Party member. She joined when she was a university student, isn't a dyed-in-the-wool commie, etc. It's unfortunate that it will add time to our processing. Thanks to the posts about what to expect, she will be prepared for "extra processing" after the interview for a CCP waiver, and will go with all supplementary documents in order. (We will both write explanatory letters, she will have a resume on hand to give to the embassy worker, and she will also already have the relevant form filled out…does that cover all the bases?) Anyway, I feel like I have a good handle on what the process will entail. Thanks again to all of you for your great, informative posts. They've really helped to make the process seem less scary! I'll keep the thread updated as our application progresses.

Hello, Is there anyone who had the interview in 2012 around Sep.and still waiting due to the CCP? Sorry, came here to vent... I had mine interview at the end of Sep. And during the interview, I turned in the four documents even my passport... But right now still waiting, it is approaching the four months timeline. Stupidly, we booked the ticket, and it got changed for twice now... we changed it to Jan 24th... Even worse, I quit my job... He has been very positive, he said it would make us relationship stronger. And it will all worth it in the end. I just want to get married with him and to start our life together. Why it is so hard... I know my case was not the worst one compared to some other's. But still it sucks... and it hurts...

We are currently about 2 months in for a CCP Blue slip. I have emailed a few times and the response has changed recently. Could this be a different email template or is a sign of progress?

My fiancee was in the "China Communist Youth League", but never joined CCP. I was told it's pretty common to join when you were in high school. Her CYL membership has already terminated (she's passed 28 years old), though. I know I'm ahead, but just alittle worried.... On the "Packet 4" forms, should my fiancee list "China Communist Youth League" on "party/organization/affiliation"? If yes, does she need an explanation similar to CCP? I tried doing a search in the forum on VJ and CFL, but couldn't find any answers. Also, I think there's a form (GNI?) where it asks "Were you part of a totalitarian party?". What should she answer? And should she have a resume ready? She did worked at one of hotels, owned by the government, for many years. But she was only a entry-level clerk. thanks in advance!

My fiancée had her interview May 17th. She had the CCP membership problem. She went into the interview with her written and signed CCP membership explanation. The interviewing officer said everything was fine, but the case would require additional processing because of her CCP membership. He took the written explanation and told her no other documents needed to be submitted. On the blue slip he gave her, no additional documents were requested. The only box that was checked as for the explanation of the blue slip was that "additional processing" was required. It then advised to contact the Consulate every "few months" to check on the case status. I know better than to wait a few months to contact them, because if they ever have problems with the case, they do not contact you to let you know. If they actually do send you a letter and it doesn't reach you, you're just left sitting there twiddling your thumbs totally oblivious to the problem thinking all is well and being processed. So, I emailed them on June 13th, about a month after the interview - not content waiting a "few months": "My fianceé received a blue slip after her interview due to her Chinese Communist Party CCP membership. She gave the interviewing officer a written explanation as to her CCP membership at the interview. It appeared nothing else was needed by the interviewing officer. We just wanted to check if any other documentation was required. Also, can you please tell us generally how long it will take until we receive a decision about the visa? Their response: This case is still under administrative processing. Though we do not have an exact date as to when we will finish this processing, we will inform your beneficiary by mail once her case is ready for further action. Then I emailed them on July 17th, 2 months after the interview: My fiancée's visa interview was on May 17th. I am writing to check on her visa's progress. Also, will she receive a phone call with the decision? Their response: Please be advised that your beneficiary should follow the instructions on the instruction letter that she was given after the visa interview and submit the requested documents to us first. We will further process the case once receive her supplementary documents. I responded: At the interview, my fiancée gave the interviewer her written explanation as to her CCP membership. He said that he didn't need any other supplementary documents. Furthermore, on the blue slip it doesn't request any further documents. What documents are needed then for Guangzhou to further process the visa? Please advise. Their last response: Please be advised that we will send an instruction letter to your beneficiary indicating what documents she will need to submit. Please advise her follow the instructions on the instruction letter once she receives it. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm raging inside, because I leave China in a week to go back to the U.S. without my fiancée for who knows how much longer. From the Blue Slip and the June 13th communication, the Consulate seemed to be processing the Visa after the interview without needing further documenation. They mention nothing about needing more documents. Then 2 months after the interview, they suddenly tell us to submit the requested documentation that was requested at the interview. I've gotta shout: NO FURTHER DOCUMENTATION WAS REQUESTED AT THE INTERVIEW!!!! It's 2 months wasted! We still don't have any idea what documents they *suddenly* still are waiting for to continue processing the case. You can't call the Consulate. Their email replies are curt and sometimes non-responsive. Why can't the Consulate use email for communication?! I'm afraid my fiancée will never receive a letter from the Consulate in the mail. She had trouble receiving packets 3 and 4, before - and we only found out after several emails that the packets had been sent out and should have long arrived. (Yes we double checked and even re-submitted/updated the mailing address) The communication on the part of the Consulate is so frustrating. Bad communication = mistakes. Even little mistakes = many months delay. [/vent] Here is a picture of the only thing checked/ written on the blue slip:http://i.imgur.com/QoNfp.jpg

It's been 60 days / 2 months since our interview in GUZ and we are still pending administrative processing (SAO I assume because of prior CCP membership). The lack of customer service and unknown is a terrible emotional roller coaster........It has already been over a year since since we started this ride. I am praying my fiancee receives her call in letter around the 90 day mark (Nov 25th) as recent others have and she can finally join me in the USA for a December wedding.........please please please include us in your prayers. Matt and Lili

Found this on wikipedia for those who want to know more about the CCP check process. As I have heard it appears the actual check in DC may be fairly quick, its the processing at the consulate to send it out and get it back, process the visa is the bulk of the AP period in this situation... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Advisory_Opinion As I found when calling the State Dept. all they will tell you is "in AP"... From MITs web site: "Unfortunately, congressional offices are unable to help expedite visa issuance. The Department of State considers this to be a matter of national security and will not circumvent the security advisory opinion process under any circumstances. However, a combination of efforts on the part of congressional representatives, institutions such as MIT, and higher education associations has resulted in high-level awareness of the problems and there are on-going efforts for improvement." Another site, says about the same as Wiki: http://administrativeprocessing.blogspot.com/2008/11/sao-faq.html Really good info! http://am.nafsa.org/knowledge_community_network.sec/international_student_3/international_scholar/practice_resources_17/visas_mantis_security Information on the Name Check Process (done when initially at USCIS): http://administrativeprocessing.blogspot.com/2008/12/national-name-check-program.html Good luck! Lee

Hello, We had our interview in Aug and received Blue due to prior CCP affiliation (strictly work related). We knew this may happen. At the interview we turned in her resume and CCP letter of explanation. VO said nothing else is needed just additional processing. SAO I assume. I hear the process of mailing in your passport to GUZ and getting it back with visa is very slow, like everything else.I'm looking to reduce wait time Question - Assuming my fiancee gets the approval letter in the mail in the next 60 days can she just fly back to GUZ and personally hand in her passport? Airplane/Hotel cost not really an issue Then she can just wait in GUZ and have the passport/visa sent to the post office in GUZ for pick up. Can we/she do this? Where does she turn in her passport and what is needed? What floor? Will they let her in with the approval letter to turn in her passport? Thanks, M & L

There is a new pinned topic on CCP Membership issues and Consular Processing. I have closed that topic so it remains as just the write-up, but I want to make sure people see it pinned above or by clicking here: CCP Membership Issues Write-up Many thanks to Cathy & Bruce for providing this to CFL

My fiancee had her K1 interview and medical exam in May. She got a blue slip due to her CCP membership. They requested more documents in July, which we turned in. Now it's September and we're still waiting. My questions: How long is a Medical Examination valid for? Does it need to still be valid at the time of: 1. Visa issuance and 2. entry into the U.S.? In my case should my fiancee get another medical examination? If anyone knows the law in this area, please advise. Thank you. Robert

Hello, We had our interview last week in GUZ (8/25) and received "Blue sheet" due to "prior affiliation" with CCP. After the questions the VO got out a white piece of paper (approval)and my fiancee was really happy......Then the VO asked "have you ever been a CCP member"? My fiancee said yes, but I resigned in April. Then she was handed the Blue sheet...............My finacee terminated/resigned in April 2011 via letter (and yes she was punished by her employer. They cut her pay, make her work from home and she can't attend any work functions).The CCP was strictly work related (for career advancement)and my fiancee held no leadership positions. We knew this may happen and came prepared to the interview with a updated resume, letter of CCP explanation and a copy of her CCP resignation letter. Other than the CCP issue the interview was very easy and brief. They only asked maybe 6 questions. After the interview the Visa Officer asked for a resume and CCP letter of explanation. My fiancee provided this and the VO said nothing else is needed at this time. The case now just needs additional processing. Has anyone went through this in the last couple months? What was your turn-around time for receiving the Visa? 30 days? 60 days? 90 days? Anything I can do to expedite? Will local Congressman or Senator involvement help? Thanks in advance, M & L

This is a contribution from member Cathy & Bruce who documented their CCP and Consular experience in a MS Word Document. I have provided here as a post so it is searchable well but each page has the full document for download. I am sure this will help other members dealing with the CCP issue. On behalf of CFL and it's members, we all thank Cathy & Bruce for this wonderful write-up. --- K-1 Visas and Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Membership Issues So your fiancé is (was) a CCP member? Since 5% of the Chinese population are members, there’s a 1 in 20 chance she is! Having just recently completed the K-1 Fiancé visa process, I would like to share what I have learned about how the US Consulate handles K-1 visa beneficiaries who are (or have been within the past 5 years) members of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). My fiancé, now wife, was a long-time CCP member right up until the day of the interview. I hope this information makes the process more understandable and easier for couples facing this issue. Keep in mind that this information is based solely on my personal experience in 2010, I don’t speak for the US Consulate and the opinions expressed are solely my own. I imagine that those applying for K-3 or IR1/CR1 or DCF visas would also find this discussion useful, as would those dealing with this process in Vietnam, Cuba, Laos and North Korea. In case you were not already aware, there are two websites that are particularly useful to people in the K-1 Visa process: http://www.visajourney.com"]www.VisaJourney.com and http://www.candleforlove.com" which focuses on China. I shall use a Q&A format to cover the main points: Download MS Word Document contributed by member, Cathy & Bruce: CCP Essay

Time to start a new thread on this as the subject as changed from interview details to agonizing wait... Pink was received 10/27 after call back from blue resolve. Two and a half weeks from the pink and no visa or indication from EMS it went out. At the beginning of the week we got an email response from my query to essentially give it up to 2 more weeks, so we have one more week before that window expires. I have done a lot of research here on cases like this and this is now one of the longest post-Pink delays in the past 2 years here. There was one "freedream" who had a 6 week delay exactly two years ago. I also looked into blue after pink situations. There were a couple but they were either clear blue situations but one was a "just need more time" blue... thats scary. There are rumors of white after pink but I couldn't find any specifics on that. All indications are the visa will be issued, even the email sought to calm us down on that. Only think I can think is another name check due to her visits to the U.S. since whenever the first one was done. Thats fine, I'm ok with that, but why does it have to take so long? In this computer age it should be able to be done in a matter of seconds! I called DOS earlier this week and after doing some research they came back and said "didn't you get an email?" "didn't that answer your question?" ... "(no, but whatever...)". So our email communication was logged in the case. Only one holiday so far in this period that added to the delay and hopefully this will get done by Thanksgiving. Her flight is this Saturday the 20th and we could stretch it into next week but it will be getting dicey and of course another holiday to slow things up. She would miss Thanksgiving. Any longer than that and we will have to postpone and reschedule our wedding. Gotta hate the moronic government. Looks like we drew the short straw on this one as others continue to get their visas in 2-3 days around us...

Well, Yesterday my wife's parents went in for their visa interview and were immediate told since her father was a member of the ccp they have 3 months to send in some more info, i do not have the info they require since they are still traveling back to northeast china. can anyone fill me in on what he needs to do, the only reason he is a member is because he previously worked for the immigration department in china, which falls in to the military category, and he retired about 10 years ago. the reason he is still part of the ccp is because as of this year he turns 55 and can finally get his retirement and felt it was required until he actually received his retirement. is this a serious problem or what, can they do the paperwork required or should they have a lawyer fill it out. any info or help would be greatly appreciated mark s

I have been trying to think the best way to approach our likely blue result with respect the fulfilling the J1 2yr HRR. It is almost certain that at the interview on 7/21 she will be given a blue slip requesting that she respond back with proof that she has fulfilled her 2yr HRR. Including all her U.S. visits and her last expected visit in early August we have calculated that she will have completed her sentence on Nov. 9th. We are hoping to at least get married by the end of the year (for tax reasons ) but of course we want to be together as soon as possible. Given that it appears that getting a call back letter from a blue slip response appears to take 4-6 weeks, what would be the best way to try and do something so that she can be called back on or soon after Nov. 9th? Is the delay because your response sits in the "Inbox" for a few weeks before it is processed? If so, then would it make sense to send in our documentation of proof that she is fulfilled as of Nov. 9th a couple weeks prior to that date so that by the time they pick it out of the box its after Nov. 9th? Is it possible to get a call back notice that says "you may appear on or after <date>"? Is it possible to get a visa post dated to be effective on <date>? My other thought is in addition to sending the response a couple weeks prior, send a duplicate response a couple days before Nov. 9th in case they do pick up the first one right away and reject it since they received it before that date. Then they get the duplicate response on or after Nov. 9th anyway. Any other ideas? Any other blue issues that are just time based and how to handle them? Lee

My fiance is in the CCP and went to the interview and she got a Blue slip. We knew she was going to get a blue slip, as everyone has said before, maybe a few has been pink, but only because they were over looked(only my guessing). We did so much research on this CCP thing that we are willing to help anyone that has any questions of what is needed or how we did it. We were only ask to send in 1 other document which was a new resume stating every job history and promotions and job titles at those jobs and there dates. This will take us a short period of time and we will send it into Guangzhou and they will set another interview date for my fiance, and she will get her pink then and her visa. So if there is anyone needing information or help, we will do our best to help.

My fiance got a blue slip as expected because of this CCP thing. We thought we might have everything they would have needed, but they wanted a complete resume of her work history with all promotons, job titles and dates. After giving them everything under the sun that everyone else has given them on the CCP issue, we only need this one thing. My questions are: once my fiance sends this resume to guangzhou, does anyone know how long it might be for this blue slip to turn into a pink slip? and does she have to have another interview? and does she have to go back down to Guangzhou to get this pink slip and her visa? Is it really additional background check is what they are doing?

As I have been reading the interview results I am curious if they have been asking the early screening questions "Are you CCP?". I have heard in some cases they forgot to ask so want to see how consistent they are being about it. It looks like the VOs don't bring it up unless the screener puts it down. I haven't seen any recent, but if there have been any recent active CCPers interviewing, would like to hear about that, especially if any got pinks. My gal will be active CCP when she goes late next year (waiting out a J1 2yr HRR) because it is too risky for her career to quit. If we have to waiver then we will be prepared for it.

Hi guys, I have been away from CFL for a long time, since my wife came here successfully in 2001 on a K1, is now a US Citizen, we had a baby 3 months ago, her sister came here also on a K1 successfully and we applied for her mother to immigrate as an IR5. Everything I know about the process is that it is slow, methodical, plodding, etc. But if one has patience it all seems do-able. HOWEVER....... My Mother-In-Law is in a nightmare. She failed her interview because she was and still is a member of the CCP. They blue slipped her and asked for a detailed resume and to fill out answers to the dreaded "8-communist membership questions". So...Be honest at the interview and move to Blue Slip Lane. OK, they tell you what they want.. So give them what they want again, and be honest, right? So.. The resume is a no-brainer.. Written, translated, certified, done! But the CCP questions?? Written, BUT they CANNOT and WILL NOT be translated by a certified translator!!!!! She tried to get it translated in her hometown and NO-ONE will touch it! They will NOT translate ANY document that says anything NEGATIVE or BAD about the CCP. We then thought to locate and telephone several translation companies in GuangZhou. First they say "no problem" but when we e-mail the actual document to them they say "NO WAY! Everything about that paper is against the CCP!" (yes..we told you the first time!) Such as the following (truthful) items she wrote that they said were too negative to translate: I joined the CCP just to get a better job. I remained a member because in the past it was dangerous to even think about resigning, so after retirement, I remained a member. My participation in the CCP was absolutely minimal and non-meaningful. I can NOT terminate from the CCP. I tried to when I returned home and they threatened me not to. So..I thought I'd put this in front of the collective brain and see if anybody has an idea?? Oh… and we already though of trying to "soften" the tone of the replies by "Lying" but then if she says she “loves the CCP and will never quit”, she's toast! Going to GuangZhou next week to see if we can bribe someone to translate it. Grrrrr!