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My thoughts are the same...but,no problems I am aware of! Could it have anything to do with my wife's divorce,or ex-husband? I am wondering if I will receive notification about the nature of the problem before the estimated 120 days until official review by USCIS. And..why do you think they would give me a GUZ # if they were going to kick it back to USCIS? Thanks for the input,I am perplexed, and a liitle worried. I thought after the NOA 2,things were going to speed up,and now I am back to square one! I have never hearnod of this but then again it took me almost 90 days to get my case from NOA-2 to the NVC and no one had ever heard of this. It turned out to be an error. Yours could be something they found or an error also. If you try to contact NVC or USCIS you will always be told to wait the 120 days before contacting them again. Your best bet, based on my experience, is to email NVC and the USCIS office you filed at (the VSC or CSC customer service email) and ask for help/clarification. You should also contact your congressman and senators. My senator helped me in my case. Best of luck and dont let them tell you to wait the 120 days. They should at least tell you why the delay and what you can expect from it. To just say it is returned to USCIS and you have to wait 120 days to get any questions answered is BS.

Hi .. I am curious. Why so long between NOA-2 and getting your NVC case number?

So far, the U.S. carriers don't charge bag fees on most Asian routes. That will likely change. And charging to check the first bag on international flights is a revenue opportunity that might be too good to pass up. And this has to be the most "blow smoke up my ass" comment in the article: "I think baggage fees will be the most widespread of the a la carte fees, because they truly are optional," he said. "You don't have to check a bag."

if you are staying in a hotel that officially takes Lao Wei then I wouldn't worry about. They collect your info and register you. We are staying in a Short stay Condo. It's nice and only 100 yen a night. I am not sure is they officially take Lao wei...( whats that) Uh, that would be you. You are supposed to register (or be registered), but follow your SO's lead there. The actual execution of this policy can vary - she'll know what to do. Best advice you can be given .... a take this advice throughout your relationship/marriage.

2 weeks is the normal time. If you run into any problems past that normal time frame feel free to PM me or ask me for some direction on what to do next. Otherwise you will wait for 2-3 months for nothing.

You do not get a resident permit when you register with the police. You only can get a residence permit by getting a foreign expert certificate and sponser by a company you are working for in china. Or you can get a one if you marry a chinese national in china. Or invest in a business here in China with some big money..

Well after close to 3 months my I-130 petiton made it to NVC and I got an GUZ case number assigned. I have send the DS-3032 form and email requesting electronic processing. My I-129F petition still has not made it to NVC and USCIS supervisor said it would automatically be stopped since the I-130 was approved at the same time. So much for choices and options. I hope no one else ever has a problem like mine. Short Story - they just forgot to make a scan and send my petition to NVC after approval on 06.24.2009. However since your NOA-2 says it can take up to 3 months for NVC to receive the petition (which we all know is BS) every USCIS and NVC (and my lawyer) person that I talked to all someone tried to make me feel like I was in the wrong to even question this issue before the 3 months was up. One nice USCIS supervisor I think was on the verge of blaming the IRAQ war, her low pay, and the economic crisis on my calling USCIS and asking where in the hell was my petition. I have never been talked down to or upon so much as I was with the two second level USCIS Immigration Officers I got through to. As it turns out (once I had given up and was waiting for 09.24.2009), my Senator's office happened to follow up on my case (since they helped me get NOA-2 which also went past the timeline) and when they found out it had been almost three months they got in contact with an USCIS official and had my file sent and received by NVC in three days. They told me it should never take more than 5-6 weeks at the most. Oh .. and I received 8 letters from USCIS throughout this ordeal of which one said my petitions appeared to have been lost and I should recreate my petition application and seven said my petition was in the file and had never been sent to NVC. When asked neither of the two IO at USCIS could answer YES/NO if my petition was really lost only that they recommend I do what the letter says even if it is really not lost.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/reciproc...ocity_3537.html However this one nice thing about the K3 visa is no longer available it seems. I applied in the USA while living in China in order to get the K3 visa. Now that my case is finally at the NVC only my I-130 petition was forwarded to the NVC. The USCIS is now automatically stopping the I-129F if they are approved at the same time.

The NOA-2 notice says allow up to 90 days and even if you get to talk to someone at USCIS or NVC they will tell you it usually takes 2-4 weeks but that nothing can be done until 90 days have passed. Good luck. Hope you are more successful than me.

Thanks for the replies guys. From my lawyer: The ¡®A¡¯ file refers to all petitions filed on behalf of your wife. It¡¯s basically USCIS lingo. Hopefully it won¡¯t take the full 60 days to receive the files back from storage. USCIS told me they send the originals to storge (A-file) and sent scanned copies to NVC. Not that I beleive this. The woman at USCIS said that all my service requested accomplished was that they would pull my file, rescan the documents, and resend them to NVC. The problem according to her lies at NVC. They have my case but until the data entry clerks enter the info they do not know they have my case. I rebutted this by saying then why does most every other person I know get NVC number within 2-4 weeks and I am waiting 2 months. I am concerned the file got lost or was never sent to NVC in which case my service request would accomplish my goal. At this point she became even more of a jerk and took me the problem was at NVC and until 90 days past I should shut the fu&k up. Read my NOA-2 it states 90 days. I said yea but I also know other cases and she cut me off and said to shut the fu&k up. So I guess I just shut the fu&k up until September 24, 2009.

Anybody out there ever seen or had this problem? any suggestions/help/guidance? I have seemed to exhuast all options other than to wait one more month so that it is more than 90 days. Then you can file another service request and be told to wait 60 days more.

The problem with the INFOPASS is I am living in China. Today I received this email from VSC Customer Service in reply to my request to expediate my case: We need to review the A-file to see if this petition is in it also. If it is, we will immediately forward it to the NVC. Hopefully it will not take the whole 60 days. I do not know what in the f&ck is going on. I do know the woman at USCIS was certain that I had no right to even question this issue until it had passed 90 days since my NOA-2. According to her I am probably also the cause of global warming and increased budget deficients due to my "trying to short-cut the system". I have never been talked to so rudely by any person in my life as I was by her. The bottom line ... there is no recourse in this system ... you are totally at the mercy of the system and if something goes off track it appears no one knows why or how to fix it. What this last email says does not match up with what the level 2 supervisor at USCIS said. Maybe I should contact the OMNIBUDSMAN. Or just cancel the whole shit and DCF like I should have except now I will return to the US within a few months most likely.

Follow-up to my Follow-Up: I called the USCIS to request expediated service and understand why my file was sent to storage facility and not to NVC. I was given to a second line supervisor (an immigration officer she told me). Her is the information she gave me. 1. The case was sent to NVC electronically. The hardcopies are sent to the storage facility. This is routine practice. 2. The NVC has not logged in the case ... it is their issue. 3. The NOA-2 says allow up to 90 days. Stop trying to cheat the system. 4. The NVC is lying when they say most cases take only 2-4 weeks to be received. 5. I am slowing down cases for others. 6. Since my I-129F and I-130 were approved at the same time my I-129F was locked automatically and will not be processed any further. 7. There is nothing wrong with my timeline. It takes 90 days. She is not authorized to discuss other cases and does not care about them. And for the record...she was rude from the very start telling me that since it had not been 90 days that I was trying to cheat the system and causing problems for all. I started and maintaned a nice attitude until the very end. For all those who think as long as you are nice to the government workers they will be responsive to you I say BS. At the end I thanked her for taking my taxes and talking to me like I was a little child. She again told me she does not care. What part of this problem is caused by my lack of preparation is beyond me. I have never seen a case take so long to get to NVC. At this rate my wife and I will be divorced before she has her interview due to the stress of not knowing if she will be able to come to USA with me when I end my assignment here in China.

An update on my situation: Received response from USCIS dated August 12 to my July 21 service request that said "We have pulled your file and are reviewing it. Please allows us 60 days for response before contacting us again about this request." I then sent an email to VSC customer service using the new email contact system announced on the USCIS homepage on August 18 (bear in mind I did not actually get the August 12 letter - it was read to me by an USCIS Immigration Agent on the phone this morning) requesting follow-up on this issue since I had not seen the August 12 response. The reply was: Good Afternoon XXXXX, A review of our records indicates that your file was forwarded to an offsite storage facility. We have requested your file and will review it upon receipt. You will receive correspondence from our office shortly after the file arrives. Please allow up to 60 days for us to process your request. Thank you for your continued patience. For future status inquiries of a petition or application filed at this Center you may want to utilize our National Customer Service Center by calling 1-800-375-5283. If you would like to obtain forms, filing instructions, case status or schedule an appointment with your local office, please visit our website at www.uscis.gov. You must use the InfoPass Appointment Scheduler prior to visiting your local office. Thank you, Barbara Vermont Service Center Customer Service Unit I emailed back yesterday requesting expediated service of this request. I forwarded all the information to my lawyer who responded by saying "Thank you for keeping me posted. Let's hope the retrieval process is expedited since this is obviously a USCIS error. If I receive any notices I will forward copies to you." For those following along out there .... take it from someone with experience. Do it without a lawyer. You will not be more or less successful but it will cost less.

I did not see any scolding in the last post. They responded to erroreous information someone had posted about being able to gain access to the consulate.

You should have included the birth certificate white book with her I-130 submital. The same white book is what you need. Foreign citizen's birth cert is not needed for I-130 filing to USCIS, only a US Citizen's if using the birth cert to prove US Citizenship, and ONLY a PHOTO-COPY of it is needed for USCIS. The instructions do not require it ... you are right. My lawyer submitted a copy of mine and her notorial birth certificate document. I thought it was required ... until I looked at the instructions.

You should have included the birth certificate white book with her I-130 submital. The same white book is what you need.

Here is what I know about our timelines ... almost all of those who filed in Sep-Dec 2008 in VSC got hung up in administrative nightmare because VSC was overwhelmed and they made the decision to hire more case workers. After training the caseworker, on new cases, the newer workers were turned loose on even newer cases. Meanwhile during the period those who filed in my timeperiod had their cases sit on the desk of the more experienced case workers while they provided training to the new one. This information came from my lawyer (from his contacts and other lawyers) and from my congressman/senator. So explain to me how this makes your case better prepared than mine. You were lucky in that you submitted your case at a better time. Just like those that got in first of the new electronic processing were able to "leap-frog" those who have been waiting to get through customs. I value and understand the need for proper documentation and paperwork plus no red flags in the background check. However that does not mean everybody's application is processed the same and that there is no difference in anyone's chances given the exact same set of circumstances. For sure the VO you happen to get makes a difference. Also if you had followed the lawsuit/issue from Roth you may have realized you also are lucky enough to benefit from some changes/improvements in the system and customer service..... I had a lawyer send in my application package. It has everything required and a thoughtful well-written EOR letter. I have all the finances needed, good expat job in China, and no red flags in the package. Somehow, to you, the fact that you got NOA-2 means you prepared better. I don't see it. I will be at the AOS side, so until you get there I will miss more meaningless posts from you....... Thanks but I dont need nor ever asked for any sympthay .. only have asked for help and guidance. In turn I have provided plenty of help and information to others here based on my experience in the process and living in China. It is not mainly about luck but it does play a part in the process. To think otherwise shows a lack of understanding about the world in general. To be successful it requires hard work, preparation, planning and luck. You have a better chance of success with the first three but you always need some luck too.

I beleive you are trying to get a residence permit to stay in China with your wife ... I tried to provide some insight from what I have learned and experienced.

Haha ... Randy I wished I had this post at the time I wrote my EOR for submittal with my I-130 application. I used 2 pages and did exactly what you said here. The reason for 2 pages was because I inserted 5 small pictures in the MS Word Document to support the trips/meetings/etc. When my wife read it she got a disgusted look on her face and told me that "You are not romantic". I asked "What do you mean?" She said "This reads like a boring legal summary not a love story". I had a hard time explaining to her that I was not trying to write a love story nor did the VO want to see a love story. This was my first mop slap.

Sorry mods ... put this in the one forum ... can you move it to the Middle Kingdom

Nope, will always be able to file based on the approved I-129F. Only reason for filing I-130 with I-485 would be if fail to marry within the 90 days of the I-94. Check out David&Wendy - I've brought that one up before. He was told that it was NECESSARY to file the I-130 after their K-1 AOS was rejected You can ALWAYS file an I-130 for an immediate relative. I'm not sure why their I-129F would no longer work, but that's what happened. That's an interesting twist.. but makes sense.. since they are married and she's in the US: an I-130 is logical in any other situation... and probably still more a chance than someone who fails to marry in 90 days; I've always understood the latter is a deal breaker. Dumb questions maybe but I will ask anyway: 1. why would an AOS for a K-1 be rejected if you married within the 90 days? 2. if your AOS is rejected on a K-1 or you marry after the 90 days and file an I-130 how can the spouse legally stay in the USA while awaiting the I-130 approval? Just curious

They provide a monthly update of China's economy ... sometimes it is quite interesting reading... Here is the July 09 report (I receive it as word document): General Economy China's annual GDP growth jumped in the second quarter to 7.9% from 6.1% last quarter. The 7.9% jump, announced by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) was made possible by heavy fiscal and monetary stimulus, and beat economists¡¯ predictions of a second-quarter growth rate of 7.5%. However, the bureau cautioned that economic difficulties remained. "The base for recovery is still weak. Growth momentum is unstable. The recovery pattern is unbalanced and thus there are still uncertain and volatile factors in the recovery process," the NBS said in a statement. It also reported that for the first half of 2009, GDP totaled RMB 14 trillion (US$ 2.2 trillion), urban per-capita incomes increased 11.2% and real rural per-capita incomes increased 8.1%. Better news comes from world trade statistics. The bottoming-out of trade reflects a slowing of the decline in the world economy. De-stocking may have run its course. China increased the imports of commodities (oil, steel, aluminium, copper) by > 50% over last year, but since the local industry did not grow with such figures it is expected that it is partly due to rebuilding of stocks, which means that the demand will fall in the second half of this year. China¡¯s solar energy sector could draw more than US $10 billion in private funding, putting China on track to become a leading market for solar equipment in the next couple of years. The Ministry of Finance (Mofcom) announced that the government will subsidize 50% of investment for solar power projects as well as relevant power transmission and distribution systems that connect to existing power grid networks. The subsidy will increase to 70% for independent photovoltaic power generating systems in remote regions that have no power supply. In order to qualify for the subsidy, each project must have a generating capacity of at least 300 kilowatt peak, construction will have to be completed in one year and operations will have to last for at least 20 years. Tax China¡¯s fiscal revenue rose by 19.6% year-on-year in June. The main reasons for the growth in revenue were an improving economy and an increase in the consumption tax on gasoline following adjustments to the fuel pricing mechanism. However, total fiscal revenue in the first half fell by 2.4% year-on-year to US$ 497.5 billion. Inward Investment June¡¯s actual foreign direct investment figure declined 6.8% year-on-year and had attracted just US$ 9 billion in investment in June. Although it was the ninth consecutive month of decline, the drop was much slower than May's 17.8% contraction, and is being taken as another sign of a rebound in China's economy. Fixed Assets Investment First-half urban fixed-asset investment increased by 33.5%, up 7.2 percentage points from the first half of 2008. China's outward direct investment in non-financial sectors in the first half fell 51.7% from a year earlier to $12.4 billion. Import/Export Exports fell for an eighth month compared to last year as the global recession cut demand, highlighting the economy's dependence on stimulus measures to boost growth. Overseas sales dropped 21.4% in June from a year earlier according to customs data. That compares with a record 26.4% drop in May. China, the world¡¯s second-biggest exporter, has stalled gains by the RMB against the Dollar, increased export-tax rebates and boosted trade finance to help exporters. Exports rose 7.5% from the previous month. Imports dropped 13.2% from a year earlier, the news agency said, after a 25.2% fall in May. Container throughput at the mainland's major ports declined 14% year on year last month and 9% from May. The decline includes a year-on-year drop of 18%. China's global trade surplus narrowed to US $8.2 billion in June. Mofcom announced that it is tightening controls on imports of dairy products in order to protect a domestic dairy industry that has struggled to rebound from last year¡¯s contamination. Exchange Rate The management approach towards the Renminbi (RMB) settlement of cross-border trades has been released. This will allow the use of RMB in clearing business transactions between domestic and foreign enterprises, which has not been allowed before. This pilot project will be implemented for companies from Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Zhuhai and DongGuan and companies in Hong Kong, Macao and ASEAN countries. We can expect the approach to be refined and implemented to other parts of China in due course. Foreign Exchange Reserve China's foreign exchange reserves surged through the $2,000 bn mark at the end of June after a sharp accumulation of funds in the second quarter, as money poured into the country to take advantage of faster economic growth and a possible future revaluation of the Chinese currency. The central bank announced that foreign exchange reserves reached $2,132 bn after rising by $178 bn in April to June, including a record monthly build-up of $80 bn in May. The second-quarter growth in foreign currency reserves far outstripped China's trade surplus and foreign direct investment for the same period, indicating the accumulation of foreign currency inside the country was being driven by other factors. Speculation was growing that the RMB would appreciate again. Unlike during the boom years of two to three years ago, the government faces huge domestic resistance to further revaluations of the RMB at a time when export sales remain weak. Export subsidies have often reached their theoretical limits of close to full value return of VAT. Automotive China's passenger car sales rose 48% in June on the same month last year. The rise consolidates a remarkable recovery that has catapulted China to the top position in the world vehicle market so far this year, far exceeding the previous world¡¯s number 1 the USA. Total vehicles sales rose 18% for the first half year to 6.1m from the same period last year - has surprised car market analysts, government officials and even the country's carmakers, many of whom are scrambling to produce enough vehicles to meet demand. Like other sectors of the Chinese economy, car industry growth this year was jump-started by the government's January announcement of tax breaks on small cars and subsidies for vehicle purchases in rural areas. But car segments not targeted by tax breaks or subsidies also saw strong growth in sales. High levels of bank lending are also believed to have helped spur demand. Lending for car purchases had not risen - most Chinese buyers use cash for vehicle purchases - but higher levels of liquidity in general fed through to more corporate purchases of vehicles. Total vehicle sales rose 36% in June year-on-year... It was the fourth month in a row that sales had exceeded 1.1m units. Italian carmaker Fiat and Guangzhou Automobile Group announced Monday that they will create a joint venture to produce economy cars for the Chinese market. . The new venture will give Fiat the mainland presence it has long been seeking. Starting in May 2011, the JV will produce 140,000 cars per year, Fiat said, and may increase production up to 250,000 units. Stock Exchange The first group of initial public offerings in mainland China since September 2008 was launched on the Shenzhen stock exchange. Even though the exchange had announced that it would limit share price fluctuations of small and medium-sized companies on their first day of trading, the new listings still drew speculative trades. The Central bank is beginning to side with the China Banking Regulatory Commission in its concerns about lending growth in China. However, a major shift in monetary policy is unlikely. New loans in the first half soared to US$ 1.1 trillion compared to US$ 358.5 billion in the same period last year. Roughly 20% of those new loans flowed into the stock market, according to the State Council¡¯s Development and Research Center. Real Estate China's housing prices are still high, and the warming up of the property market has mainly been due to foreign capital influx, which can also leave just as quickly. Banks China on Wednesday announced that new lending in the first half was RMB 7,400 bn ($1,084 bn), up 200% year-on-year and equal to 150 % of full-year lending in 2008. China's banking regulator worries that rampant credit growth "poses risks" to the financial system. The warning comes after banks advanced RMB 5,840 bn ($855 bn) of new loans in the first five months, almost triple the amount a year earlier. As for June's lending, at $220 bn it was a blockbuster as banks pumped up their quarterly loan numbers, just as they did in March (to $280 bn). About 20% of this cash has ended up in the casino of the Shanghai Stock Exchange, where daily volumes are currently three times the five-year average. Large corporations have sufficient liquidity: some are simply putting loans back on deposit or lending on to lesser credits denied bank finance. In the first quarter, direct lending to small and medium-sized companies - the engine of any economy - accounted for less than 5% of the total. Demographics Two problem areas play an important part in China¡¯s internal policies: Tibet and Xinjiang. Both problems are very complicated and there are no easy solutions. There is little doubt that the return of the Dalai Lama and his former Tibetan feudal aristocracy is opposed by a majority of Tibetans that total about 5 million people divided over 5 provinces in China. Tibetans may prefer to have more autonomy, but that would mean elections and China is not ready to consider a route that could affect the stability of the country in total. Xinjiang has a population of about 20 million inhabitants of which the Han form a slight majority, which has been shrinking over the last 30 years as the Uyghurs are not restricted by a one child policy and have an average of 4-5 children. There are some 8 million Uyghurs. RioTinto Market research is not forbidden in China. There are many local Chinese and foreign companies whose main activity is market research. Paying employees of the Government or State Owned Enterprises for market data, without written contracts, is considered corruption and is a crime.

The same here with "your" evaluation of yourself....

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