Oldtimers..........

[HanLi]

oh, the road with all the bumps and detours, yeah.... I remember, because I am still on it.........

[shyaushu]

In some ways the relevence of this "thread" is that almost all of us are law-abiding people with "legitimate" spouses (which is for us, ourselves, to judge, of course) who opt to follow the law and are subsequently humiliated by the system there, supposedly, to "protect" this country.

 

In other words, the price of following the rules is having to complete a littany of degrading questionnaires and unconscionably expensive "applications" (all asking the same questions!) and endure an inhuman bureauocracy that keeps commited couples apart for months, sometimes years. It amounts to nothing less than institutionalized abuse and fabricated tragedy.

 

It is obvious to anyone that "National Security" has nothing to do with this process, since that element could be determined in a matter of weeks. It is to keep the masses dying to eat hot dogs out of our sacred land, and to discourage people from getting seriously involved with "foreigners".

 

The US has historically been, and certainly continues to be, an extremely zenophobic country.

[Guest ShaQuaNew]

In other words, the price of following the rules is having to complete a littany of degrading questionnaires and unconscionably expensive  "applications" (all asking the same questions!) and endure an inhuman bureauocracy that keeps commited couples apart for months, sometimes years.  It amounts to nothing less than institutionalized abuse and fabricated tragedy.

 

It is obvious to anyone that "National Security" has nothing to do with this process, since that element could be determined in a matter of weeks.  It is to keep the masses dying to eat hot dogs out of our sacred land, and to discourage people from getting seriously involved with "foreigners".

 

The US has historically been, and certainly continues to be, an extremely zenophobic country.

163473[/snapback]

Very well said Wally.....and whether it's eating a hotdog here in the US with my Chinese partner or trying to locate a wok that she likes, it will be nice when we are able to do that together....

 

...and oh, yeah....what's a zenophobe? Could be someone afraid of Zen eh?

[bubbafred10]

Yesterday I caught a television news story of the illegals going through a Texas border town. They are from South and Central America, and they were not detained. Rather they were given a Court date appointment and released on own cognizance. Of course the majority of them don't show up at the court hearing, and they could be as far away as Boston or Seattle, etc. The Mexicans are detained and returned to Mexico because the transportation cost is minimal. The ones from south and central America, the cost of sending them back is enormous.

 

Most of our ancestors came here as neither legals nor illegals. They were called "settlers" or other names. The more recent settlers came from Europe and decided to distinguish the old versus new immigrants. The oldest settlers came from northern China and now called native Americans.

[bubbafred10]

The US has historically been, and certainly continues to be, an extremely zenophobic country.

163473[/snapback]

Xenophobic, not only US but also EU. The dominant culture in US is the so called "western" or European. In US as well as Britain, sinophobia is quite strong. For many decades, the Chinese were portrayed as cooks and laundries. The best portrayal was Charlie Chan the inscrutable Chinese detective. The worst one is the devious Fu Manchu character. These are the kind of characterization or stigma that the western dominant culture like to impose on those who look / are / seem different. Remember too, there were strong differentiations among the westerners themselves such as the Catholics and Protestants. The Ku Klux Klan were originally formed to harrass the Catholics, until they found the African Americans to be much worse for their homogeneity taste than the Catholics.

 

Not so in China. It's history is full of newcomers and "immigrants" who just got absorbed and assimilated into that Chineseness that no one in western world can realize or acknowledge. So many different types of foods and festivals in various regions of China. China has over 60 cultural or minority groups. Never heard or read any recount of ethic cleansing in China ever took place. Ethnic cleansing is a European and western culture's practice.

Edited October 26, 2005 by bubbafred10 (see edit history)

[cosmiclobster]

Lady Liberty says: "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses . . ." and the "modern" US Govt continues the quote with "and we will give them the screwing of their life with dozens of "one form fits all" forms with conflicting instructions that no one can understand, fees upon fees, medical exams leaving no orifice unexamined and then torture them with an extremely long wait of undetermined time with little or no accounting of where they are in the process, only to be finally subjected to the scrutiny of an interviewer who could care less about what has happened to you or what you have been through. And if you still haven't given up, we will continue to barrage you with additional fees and redundant forms to test your committment. And as an addittional test of your character, you will be forced to live in a country where there are a significant number of people who have totally bypassed the grueling process you have just been through". Welcome to America!

[Guest ShaQuaNew]

......And as an addittional test of your character, you will be forced to live in a country where there are a significant number of people who have totally bypassed the grueling process you have just been through". Welcome to America!

163491[/snapback]

...indeed the nation of immigrants....Stars and Stripes Forever!

[amerchin]

Smuggling illegals from Mexico can be dangerous but not as much as people from China. For example the people in charge of smuggling illegals are called snake heads. Most Chinese who want to come here illegally give them their life savings and would still owe the snakehead money when they arrive. Thus they'll be paying practically for life. Once they're here the people will be crammed into a small apartment together just like when they were stowaways. The snakeheads give them jobs in sex trades, and anything else illegal or extremely low paying jobs. They will get paid the minimum amount just to have enough for a meal so that they will stay alive but still owe them money. If they get caught they'll be in prison here for about 2 years until they get deported back to China. God knows what China will do to them once they arrive? Even if a love one here can pay the snakehead the rest of the money in the US, who in their right mind would subject their SO in a unsantitary dangerous confinement getting here with the chance of being sent back to China for more cruel punishment!

[HanLi]

is this thread in the proper forum???

[Trigg]

In other words, the price of following the rules is having to complete a littany of degrading questionnaires and unconscionably expensive  "applications" (all asking the same questions!) and endure an inhuman bureauocracy that keeps commited couples apart for months, sometimes years.  It amounts to nothing less than institutionalized abuse and fabricated tragedy.

 

It is obvious to anyone that "National Security" has nothing to do with this process, since that element could be determined in a matter of weeks.  It is to keep the masses dying to eat hot dogs out of our sacred land, and to discourage people from getting seriously involved with "foreigners".

 

The US has historically been, and certainly continues to be, an extremely zenophobic country.

163473[/snapback]

Very well said Wally.....and whether it's eating a hotdog here in the US with my Chinese partner or trying to locate a wok that she likes, it will be nice when we are able to do that together....

 

...and oh, yeah....what's a zenophobe? Could be someone afraid of Zen eh?

163474[/snapback]

Xenophobia denotes a phobic attitude toward strangers or of the unknown. Racism and Xenophobia are oft times used synonymously but are indeed different disorders.

[Guest ShaQuaNew]

The US has historically been, and certainly continues to be, an extremely zenophobic country.

 

...and oh, yeah....what's a zenophobe? Could be someone afraid of Zen eh? 

 

Xenophobia denotes a phobic attitude toward strangers or of the unknown.  Racism and Xenophobia are oft times used synonymously but are indeed different disorders.

 

 

Thanks Trigg. Yep, found it after discovering the typo......"X" vs "Z"

 

Edited October 27, 2005 by ShaQuaNew (see edit history)