Shadowman

Thanks... is it just me, or was that more than a little bit confusing? In any case, I'm glad I asked. It could have been a lonely weekend in HK! I'll have her look into getting an entry permit. Also... just realized I posted this in the wrong place... feel free to move it. Thanks again.

My wife, a Green Card holder, has returned to China to celebrate the New Year with her family. I will be returning to China in a couple weeks for work. Can my wife re-enter Hong Kong with her Chinese passport and Green Card to meet me at the airport and then re-enter China? I know she can re-enter Kong Kong for 7 days if she has a return ticket to the USA. But will entering Hong Kong only to return to China a couple days later pose any problems? Thanks!

Congratulations!!

Congratulations!!

First of all¡­ We¡¯re PINK!!!!! Second of all, I want to thank everyone at CFL¡­ especially RogerinCA, who shepherded me away from another site and introduced me to CFL and who was a constant source of reassurance, valuable information, and trusted advice. And to all the other veterans and moderators, whether you responded to me directly or not, thank you for your invaluable contributions. Rest assured, I have probably read though every post at least once, but I have spent the majority of my time here lurking. You¡¯ll have to forgive the length of this post, but I haven¡¯t posted much in my time on this site, so consider this my ¡°paying it forward¡±. Arrival in Guangzhou My wife, Joy and I arrived in Guangzhou on Monday 8/24, two days prior to our 8/26 interview. She lives in Dongguan, so we had a very easy one and a half hour (48 RMB) bus ride to GZ. My wife called Mr.Yang to inquire about the availability of one of his rooms, but on such short notice, he had nothing available. He recommended a nearby hotel. We ended up staying at the ¡°Star Hotel¡± located directly across the park in front of GUZ. It is a 4 star hotel, and while it was okay, I think they might have over-estimated the rating by a star or two. A room with two single beds was 370 RMB ($55), and a room with a King/Queen sized bed was 480 RMB ($70). We opted for the two single beds. The price also included a breakfast buffet. The rooms were clean, the AC was cold, the water pressure good, and there was internet access (but just barely¡­ with waits of up to 2 minutes or so for page loads!) My wife¡¯s biggest complaint was that she felt the service people and housekeepers were a little rude. The ACS Experience Prior to leaving the US, I had made a 2:00 appointment online with ACS to get my EOR letter notarized. On my way up to the 5th floor, I was told I could bypass the line spiraling around the 4th floor. I showed my passport, took the escalator to the 5th floor, passed through the metal detector and went directly to window #35 to check in. It was exactly 2:00, so the woman assisted me immediately. She was a very polite and pleasant Asian (American?) woman who spoke perfect English. I handed her my ACS appointment letter (printed out from the GUZ Consulate website). ¡°You¡¯re here for a notarization? Can I see your paperwork?¡± she said. I handed her my six-page EOR letter. My EOR was an MS Word document in outline format with key dates listed and short paragraph following each date. I also included many small pictures with the corresponding dates and descriptions written below. She accepted my EOR with a somewhat quizzical look on her face. ¡°Did the VO request that you submit this document during your wife¡¯s interview?¡± she asked. ¡°No¡± I replied, ¡°She hasn¡¯t had her interview yet. It¡¯s on Wednesday.¡± She fanned through the pages and said something to the effect of¡­ ¡°We don¡¯t typically notarize these types of documents¡­ we can, but we don¡¯t typically¡­ do you want me to add a cover page, since you didn¡¯t leave enough space on your front page¡­ you won¡¯t sign it in front of me¡­ um, please wait a moment.¡± More than a little bit confused, she retreated back into the office with my paperwork. She returned a minute later and said, ¡°I¡¯ve just consulted with my colleagues and this type of document does not need to be notarized¡±. ¡°Are you sure?¡± I said. ¡°Yes, you can just sign it yourself and that will be fine.¡± ¡°Are you sure?¡± I repeated, with a strong emphasis on the word ¡°sure¡±. ¡°Yes.¡± She said, smiling reassuringly. I thanked her and left, but I immediately regretted not insisting that she notarize my EOR. After all, the entire purpose of my visit to ACS was to make my presence at GUZ known and to get the EOR added to our case file. I worried that I had just made a costly error. In hindsight, perhaps merely making (and keeping) my appointment at ACS was enough to make my presence known. In fact, my wife said that the VO seemed to be aware that I was there even before handing over my passport. My wife thought that the VO could tell from the computer screen that I had been to GUZ, because very early in the interview process, she asked, ¡°Is your husband here waiting for you?¡± My wife eventually gave the VO my EOR, but she said that the VO didn¡¯t even look at it and ended up handing it back. I think our case was an exception, and I would still recommend getting it notarized and by no means would I go to the interview without an updated EOR. Interview Day My wife and I woke up early after a nearly sleepless night. After a breakfast of coffee and Red Bull, my wife was confident¡­ and wired! My wife was well prepared and to her credit, she was much more calm than I was. I was a nervous wreck. At one point, she basically told me to stop talking because I was stressing her out. I complied. We arrived at 7:15 and lined up outside the consulate. At 7:30, they began slowly letting people into the building, but only after checking passports and the interview appointment letter. I had previously imagined the doors to the consulate opening at 8:00 and the entire crowd of eager applicants rushing to the escalators in typical Chinese mob fashion. In fact, the process was very calm and orderly. At the door, they checked my wife¡¯s passport and invitation letter, and slipped a small card with a number on it into her passport. Neither one of us realized they had given us this card until a security guard pointed out that she had dropped it on her way in the door! This card was handed over to the security guard to gain access to the 5th floor. We arrived on the 4th floor at 8:00 and parted ways. Incidentally, I had read that you weren¡¯t allowed to bring any electronics into the consulate building. While this is true regarding access to the 5th floor, I didn¡¯t see any restrictions and saw no metal detectors between the entrance and the 4th floor coffee shop. Had I known, my laptop or iPod would have greatly helped to pass the time. Fortunately, I ended up speaking with a very nice gentleman from Wisconsin who was there petitioning for his wife and step-daughter. We stood together outside the coffee shop talking together for about three and a half hours. Although a very kind, intelligent man, I sensed trouble for him when I learned that he wasn¡¯t even sure of his wife¡¯s visa classification or the correct name and pronunciation of her home province. He also spoke no Chinese and described his wife¡¯s English as ¡°not very good¡±. His wife and daughter came down before my wife at around 11:20. She only said to him, ¡°No good-ah¡±. Apparently they were blue-slipped with a request for proof of ¡°correspondence¡±. So again, as has been the trend lately, proof of communication and common language appears to be of utmost importance. Although I can¡¯t say for certain, the majority of people returning to the 4th floor had looks of anger or disappointment on their faces after their interviews. My wife¡¯s impression from watching at the windows was that pink slips were not easy to come by. My wife came downstairs at about 11:30. The process took much longer than I had expected. I had read some speculation that GUZ handled the straightforward cases first, so when she hadn¡¯t returned by 10:00, my stomach was in knots. When she finally came around the corner, she wasn¡¯t readily waving a pink paper. But from her proud stance, and the eager look in her eyes as she scanned the coffee shop for me, I was confident that the news was good. ¡°So...?¡± ¡°We¡¯re pink.¡± She said calmly and matter-of-factly, as if it was never in doubt. The Interview My wife described the process in three phases separated by long periods of waiting. First, she was called (by name) to go to window #30 where the ¡°screener¡± asked (in Chinese) whether or not she could speak English. My wife humbly responded (in Chinese), that she could speak a little bit of English. In reality, her English is very good. It was my wife¡¯s impression that from this response, the screener determined which VO she would have. The screener also asked for her passport, my 2008 income tax return (filed jointly), and her medical papers, which she provided. She was given another number card and told to have a seat. For the second phase, she was called (by number) to go to window #18 where they scanned her fingerprints. Lastly, she was called to window #21, where she described the VO as a very beautiful young American woman (about 30 years old). She said the woman was very polite and friendly. My wife was relieved that the VO spoke very clearly and was easily understood. My wife conducted her interview entirely in English, and seemed amazed that the VO was able to understand her. The VO complimented her on English, greatly boosting her confidence. ¡°Laogong¡­ even another people can understand my pronounce-a-tion.¡± ¡°Yes, Laopo¡­ now do you believe me? You speak English very well.¡± The Questions In an effort to ease my wife¡¯s anticipation I told her to expect a very quick interview lasting perhaps 5 minutes and consisting of 4 or 5 easy questions. I truly believed this would be the case. I was very surprised to hear how many questions my wife was asked and the probing nature of some of them. The interview probably lasted closer to 15 minutes. Thankfully, my wife took her preparation seriously and had very diligently studied a list of about 75 potential questions that I had prepared for her. Many of the questions were anticipated and some were not¡­ and one completely unanticipated curveball that nearly threw her off balance! Q: Who is your petitioner? A: My Husband. Q: Is he here waiting for you? A: Yes, he is downstairs. Q: When did you meet? A: August 14, 2007. Q: How did you meet? A: A friend introduced us (gives friend¡¯s name). Q: How do you know this person? A: He is my best friend¡¯s husband¡­ oops, I mean he is my best friend¡¯s husband¡¯s friend. Sorry, I am very nervous. (VO responded, ¡°That¡¯s fine, don¡¯t be nervous¡±.) Q: Where is your best friend from? A: She is also from Hunan. Q: She lives in Hunan now? A: No, now she lives in Dongguan. Q: What nationality is your friend¡¯s husband? A: He is Taiwanese. Q: How does your husband know him (the friend who introduced us)? A: From work. Q: They work together in China? A: No, my husband works in America. His friend works in China for a different company. They do business together when he comes to China. Q: So your husband comes to China frequently for work? How many times has your husband come to China? A: He has been to China 12 times. Q: What does your husband do for work? A: (Gave my company name and occupation). Q: (VO looking through my passport) Do you know where else your husband has traveled? A: He has been to China before over ten years ago. Q: Besides China, do you know which other countries he has been to? A: No, I don¡¯t know. Q: Why didn¡¯t your husband tell you he has been to these other places? A: I don¡¯t know. Note: This was a completely unexpected exchange. I expected my wife to hand over my passport and for the VO to hand it back immediately saying that she didn¡¯t need it. The last thing I expected was that the VO would actually look through my passport and mention two trips I took to Sweden and Chile about 4 years ago (long before I met my wife). So this goes to show that anything you submit (from your passport to your EOR) is fair game for questioning. Q: Have you ever traveled outside of China? A: Yes, I traveled with my sister to Singapore, Thailand, and Malaysia. Q: What do you do for work? A: I¡¯m not working now. Q: But isn¡¯t that very boring? A: No, I¡¯m not bored. I have been taking English classes. (Had receipts and school ID, but were not asked for). Q: Is your husband supporting you? (Doesn¡¯t ask how much money I give her.) A: Yes. (Wife doesn¡¯t offer how much money I give her.) Q: Do you know that your husband was married before? A: Yes. He was married before me one time. Q: Does your husband have any children? A: Yes, he has one daughter. Q: How old is she? A: Almost 17. Q: Can I see your pictures? A: (Hands VO about 150 pictures in sleeves, 6 pictures to a sleeve, no date stamp. VO very quickly looks though most of the pictures, up to the point where she sees my mother and daughter at our wedding banquet.) Q: Is this his daughter? She¡¯s very pretty. (At this point, my wife noticed the VO¡¯s demeanor became even friendlier, and my wife knew that she had secured the ¡°pink¡±.) A: Yes, that is his daughter. And that¡¯s my husband¡¯s mother (VO had not noticed my mother in the same picture). Q: Oh, it looks like you had a very nice wedding. A: Yes we did, thank you. My wife, sensing things were drawing to a close, offered, ¡°Do you want to see our phone records?¡± ¡°I don¡¯t need to see them.¡± Replied the VO. My wife notes however, that phone records and e-mails were requested of many other applicants. Q: You said your husband is here waiting for you? ¡°Well, now you have some good news to tell him.¡± She said as she reached down to pull out the pink paper. A: Oh, thank you very much. Q: So, are you ready to go to America? A: I am very nervous, but as long as I¡¯m together with my husband I¡¯ll be very happy. Random Closing Thoughts If I were to offer any advice, it would be to have your SO work on her English. Have her take classes, practice on the telephone, rehearse answers to interview questions¡­ whatever it takes. Even delaying submission of your petition until your SO has a attained a higher level of English proficiency could save time and heartbreak in the end. At the very least, have her start the interview in English as first impressions can go a long way. I¡¯m convinced that my wife¡¯s ability to speak English well was one of the most important factors in our successful approval. But at the same time, I think (as does my wife), that her ability to speak English opened the door for the VO to ask many more, and possibly more difficult questions. To the VO¡¯s credit however, my wife felt very comfortable talking to her. She felt as though it was more of a ¡°conversation¡± than an ¡°interrogation¡±. At a certain point near the end of the interview, my wife felt that the VO was genuinely interested in her life. (I didn¡¯t have the heart to tell her otherwise.) I could tell my wife was almost sad that the conversation ended. Although we had a very complete ¡°kitchen sink¡±, photos were the only evidence that was requested. In particular, family photos together seemed to be the clincher. Some have suggested that the outcome of the interview is pre-determined. While I agree that it can certainly be leaning heavily in one direction or another prior to the interview, I don¡¯t think it was a done deal. Given the amount of questions my wife was asked, there were plenty of opportunities for her to get tripped up. Joy did an amazing job of remembering all the details of the interview. I¡¯m one proud Laogong! Best of luck to those who follow¡­ I hope some of this info helps. Thanks for reading! Dave and Joy

Way to go! Congratulations!! Best Regards, Dave and Joy

I finally found my way to an internet connection... and I'm thrilled to report... We're PINK !!!!! I'm working on a very detailed re-cap of our interview which I'll post soon in the Interview Results area.

Congratulations! Thanks for the update.

Congratulations! Thanks for the detailed summary. We're hoping for our very own "orange-y" pink next week.

Congratulations! Do you seriously have over 100gigs of pictures? That is an amazing statistic. I think you deserve pink based on that alone! Good Luck!

My wife just completed her medical check. She went to the "Health Care Center of Guangdong International Travel" at 33 Shamian North Street, Shamian Island, Guangzhou (as listed in the P4 medical exam instructions document). She arrived around 8:30am and picked up her papers at 3:00pm. The total cost, including three immunizations, was 1250 RMB. FYI, a couple of random things... They asked if she was pregnant prior to the immunizations. She had intentionally waited until after her "monthly", which turned out to be a good idea since she could answer "No" with certainty. A woman in-line ahead of her couldn't positively answer "No", so they told her she would have to wait and have the immunizations at a later time. They also recommended she wait 6 months after immunizations before becoming pregnant. (Fine with me!) With regard to the interview... She was advised that she must answer questions quickly. Any indication that she is thinking about an answer would be cause for suspicion in the VO's mind. I don't know if this true or just conjecture by the clinic staffer... but I put it out there for whatever it's worth. One more thing to cross off the list! That list has gotten pretty short... all that remains is... wait 11 days, fly to China, go on interview, get PINK!

Mike, Thanks so much for your kind words and support. Your timing is perfect, as I was just in the midst of a mild "panic attack". Thanks for calming me down! So your wife is up this Thursday? I look forward to reading about your "PINK"! If you're still in GZ around the 26th, beers are on me! -Shadowman

Everything seems to be falling into place... my wife's interview was scheduled just two weeks prior to my next work trip. I was able to move my work trip up a couple weeks and have the company pick up the airfare! And... I even went so far as to book my wife a seat on my return flight... I know... I know... we are strongly advised against booking our SO's flight until we have "visa in hand". But I was able to book her ticket using frequent flyer miles which, due to my status with United, can be used any time within a year with no fee or penalty... so I had nothing to lose. It's one less thing I'll have to worry about. Plus, I'll be in China for an additional three weeks after the interview (for work), so I'll also have time to wait if, for some reason, the visa is delayed. My wife lives only about an hour and a half (by bus) from Guangzhou, so we don't have any of the logistics/timing issues that many people are faced with. We'll take the bus to Guangzhou first thing Monday morning (8/24) and I'll attend ACH and get my EOR notarized at ACS. I'm not sure where we'll be staying yet, but the plan is to stay in Guangzhou Monday and Tuesday nights, and catch the bus home early Wednesday afternoon with a PINK! We'll return later to pick up the visa. As far as our moods... I fluctuate from extremely confident to scared out of my mind. Of course, I don't let my wife know that! She is very, very nervous... almost to the point of losing sleep. I've stressed for so long that it would be helpful if she can attempt the interview in English, that I think she thought it was a requirement. When I reassured her that it's perfectly fine to speak Mandarin (especially if she doesn't understand something), she felt a lot more comfortable. We have no red flags to speak of... perhaps a short time from meeting to marriage (5 months), and not much documentation from the first couple months of our relationship. My biggest concern is that we don't have printed e-mails. We have only rarely e-mailed throughout our relationship, but we have very complete phone records with many calls of well over an hour. We met in person, not over the internet, so I'm hoping that will account for the lack of e-mails in the eyes of the VO. On the other hand, I'll have 12 trips under my belt along with many pictures from our travels around China, as well as pictures with friends and our families together. Paperwork is all in order. My wife will probably get her medical done next week... then all we'll have left to do is count the days (20!). After nearly 16 months from I-130 submittal, this day has been a long time in coming.

I have been using http://www.pingo.com. Also 1.8¢ per minute (with a local access number), 2.8¢ if you use the 800 number. You can also access your call history through the website and print them out for your files.

How do most of you feel about adding pictures (pasting them into a word doc) on your EOR? I know Roger did this with success. I have started my updated EOR letter by adding a few small (1"x 1.5") pictures next to almost each entry... the problem is, with my many trips to China, my EOR is looking like it will be at least 6 pages long! The text portion of my letter is reasonably concise (although maybe a bit on the romantic side), and could probably fit on 2-3 pages. So, my question is... how important is it to include pictures in your EOR? Will it spark the VO's curiosity and make it more likely to be read? Or perhaps turn him/her off by it's length? My wife will have a significant number of actual photos to hand in... so maybe pictures on the EOR aren't necessary? Also, should the EOR include the process "milestone" dates that many of us list in our signatures (form submission dates, approval date, etc.)? Any thoughts? Thanks.

Only count as 1 page. Mine letter was 3 pages long and only pay as one doc. Thank You.

This may be a stupid question, but does a multi-page EOR letter count as a single document with a single notarized "signature/seal"? Should additional pages just be initialed? I'd hate to end up paying $30 a page to have the thing notarized. From GUZ website: Fees: Notarials/Certified Copies: $30.00 for the first signature/seal $20.00 for each additional signature/seal, if the documents are used for the same purpose

I just returned to USA after being in China for three weeks (two weeks for work, one week with my wife). When I called to let her know that I had arrived home safely, she said very casually... "Oh, I have some news... I received the package (P4) from the consulate... doctor papers and interview time." What!!? The P4 arrived at her apartment only three hours after I left! What bad timing... but I'm just relieved that she received it. Anyway, we're scheduled for an August 26 interview... looks like it's CRUNCH time! FYI... NVC Out to P4 - 65 days I-130 Submission to Interview - 485 days (ouch!) Best of luck to all, Shadowman

Hi Mike, I received your PM yesterday. I called GUZ and my case has still not been received/logged in. Got the standard 2-4 months reply and was told to call back in 1 month. Shadowman

I tried to track the package on the DHL site. I didn't find anything referenced to May 19, but I did find a package referenced to May 20 (tracking number 9332836752). It was a 1 pound package that cleared Customs quickly. It was delivered the the Consulate on June 01. Hopefully, this was your package. I know it took one month for the Consulate to acknowledge receipt of our package, once it was delivered to the Consulate. When I contacted them, they gave me the same old garbage of 3-4 months for Custom clearance. It's a stock answer. Thanks for the detective work! My case was completed on 5/19... so it is possible that it went out on 5/20... fingers crossed!

Ouch!! Not the answer I was hoping for... but exactly the information that I needed... Thanks! So... this eliminates any option of quickly finishing up the CR-1 and going back to China to work. One more reason why they will really have to make me an offer I can't refuse... I really don't want to start over again, but if we could be together sooner AND they throw boat loads of money at me... well, I'd have to consider it.

I've gotten myself into a bit of a quandary... it's not a bad thing, but I would really like to hear some opinions from the experienced members of the group... First, a bit of background... our CR-1 case was completed at NVC on 05/19/2009, but has not yet been received by GUZ. I called GUZ to check on the progress and the woman (although polite) basically laughed at me and told me that it would be another 3-4 months before it clears customs, and that the interview would follow in another 2 months or so... bringing us to an October/November interview date. Does this sound about right? It's already been over 13 months and the thought of another 4-6 months wait really takes the wind out of my sails... (not to mention the frustration I am feeling having missed the window for the electronic filing pilot program... and seeing people with similar NVC-out dates already have their interviews scheduled... but, I digress!) Anyway... here's my dilemma. In trying to avoid a worst-case scenario (i.e., white slip... although I have NO reason to expect this), I began laying the groundwork for finding a job in China just in case my wife wasn't able to come to USA. Well, as it turns out, a very good job opportunity has presented itself... more than just presented itself... I have interviewed and fully expect to receive an offer soon. It is with a Chinese company in China... and would likely nearly double my US salary... BUT... of course, I would have to move to China. I have no problem living in China (actually think I would prefer it!) The problem that arises... and the issue I seek opinions on is... what to do about our CR-1? We are finally in the home stretch, and we are both a little uncomfortable with the idea of giving up on our current petition when we're so close to the finish line... Does canceling our current petition give us any kind of "black mark" toward future applications? On the other hand... if I take the job, we could be together sooner... we could file DCF after 6 months of my living in China (correct?)... I would maintain my home in USA as per the US domicile requirement... and, when she receives her visa through DCF, we will have been married over 2 years, which would result in a IR-1 visa and a 10 year GC (correct?). I am not at all familiar with the DCF process... how fast from filing to VISA for DCF? Another option (and the one I'm leaning toward)... accept the job (if offered), but try to delay the start date until after my wife has interviewed and received her Visa... and come to US to obtain GC and SS#. In other words, try to accept the job while seeing our CR-1 through to the the end. But how soon after coming to the US would she be able to return to China? And is there a limit to the amount of time she could spend in China without returning periodically to US? So what would you guys do??? Any other considerations/pitfalls I should be aware of? Thanks for reading and I'm looking forward to your insightful responses. Shadowman

Hi Ron, Have her check out Englishpod.com. I have used their sister site for chinese (Chinesepod.com) for a year and a half and have found it very useful and affordable... MUCH more so than Rosetta Stone. Content is all web-based... can be listened to on-line or downloaded in .mp3 format... no software to install! Plus, they have a seven day free trial... check it out! Good luck, Shadowman

WOW! Congrats! Consider yourself very fortunate. I am also CR-1. Sent my I-130 to Chicago on 04/28/2008! Almost a full year before you... and I am still waiting for my wife's P4/Interview date. My case was forwarded to GUZ on 05/19... Should I start calling GUZ? And... will they send a notification to me in the US when they send my wife's P4/Interview appointment to her in China? I'll be traveling to China twice in the next three months for work... it sure would be nice if GUZ can schedule her interview while I'm already there!! Wishful thinking, I know... Thanks... and best of luck to you! Shadowman