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to be honest Carl , I would like him to explain his intentions to the board. If he's honest why is he hiding ? and now asking for cash ? He isn't hiding. He isn't a member of this board. He owes us no explanation. As far as I know the only cash he asked for was in response to a query asking for a consultation. I see nothing wrong with that. Whether or not consultations should be charged a fee or not is debatable. Nothing I have seen so far about his complaint letter to the USCIS about GZ is unethical. He asked for stories to support his case and has not asked for one thin dime in return. Who knows? maybe he can bring some change. I certainly see no harm as of yet. Some truth maybe he isn't a member CFL and has not personally appealed, but neither did I ask for Consultation!

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Yes, they will reply, maybe not the reply you would expect though, guarded response, sort of like the "buck" goes eleswhere,

I registered with the Consulate also, purpose of trip and just to let them them know for my own protection, but as for purpose of trip I mentioned to visit fiancee and to tour, I thought it would help for bonafide reasons, guess not, maybe most people intent on fraud register with the Consulate.

And people thought the book "1984" was a book of fiction.

Is there an interview with CR1, does the dreaded non-bonafide still lurk?

Is marriage in China all you need to file for a CR1? Do you need to live in China for any amount of time? In short what is the CR1?

My sentiments exactly, some transparency would be good.

Interesting movie of the Three gorges Dam and its impact for the YU family. Yung Chang's gorgeous photography documentary of China's peasant life and cultural upheaval.

Your background aside, you are doing better than most of us in this Visa process, your timeline is short when compared to others and USICS sent you an NOID, with the reason and a chance to respond.

After the Blue, you start to understand what Janis Joplin meant when in one of her protest songs, she sang "Freedom is just another word". or Melaney's. "look What they did to My Song Ma". but hopefully you will overcome and get pink.

The thing really is, it's the Chinese workers behind the scenes that come up with the redflags which the VO's quickly go over and make their minds up. Those VO's beat up the women that the Chinese workers said had red flags for whatever. A Chinese woman would have to REALLY blow her interview to have her denial not planned out ahead of time. tsap seui My friend did tell me a Chinese women asked her for money, before the interview, this women did say she worked at the Consulate. No money no visa, is what my girl was told. In a letter from my fiancee to GUZ she mentioned this encounter. I have the women who did ask for money, her name. That woman was clearly a rip off. This guy I mention in another thread doesn't ask for up front money. If he doesn't produce, you don't pay. He deals primarily with blue slips. If you get a white slip or your blue slip has gone too high he can't help you as your records are too "official" and the Chinese workers can't " change" them. tsap seui This attempt was before the interview, it makes sense to me when I read your thread about Chinese workers behind the scenes and not having read your thread about that guy. Maybe still it was just a ripoff attempt.

The thing really is, it's the Chinese workers behind the scenes that come up with the redflags which the VO's quickly go over and make their minds up. Those VO's beat up the women that the Chinese workers said had red flags for whatever. A Chinese woman would have to REALLY blow her interview to have her denial not planned out ahead of time. tsap seui My friend did tell me a Chinese women asked her for money, before the interview, this women did say she worked at the Consulate. No money no visa, is what my girl was told. In a letter from my fiancee to GUZ she mentioned this encounter. I have the women who did ask for money, her name.

It is a PR letter at best, A spin as it is called when someone tries to say day is night, white is black. If people are to be so miserably cheated with a non-bonafide denial, they should discontinue the K1, but it makes money for DOS the Petition, the Visa appointment somewhere over $600.00 per applicant. Fly the US flag upside down on the problem with non-bonafide.

When I applied to USCIS, I had no idea the drama of the Consulates, I thought passing USICS was the Visa, with a complimentary interview of my fiancee. I was under the impression that unless something substantial showed up at the interview in China, the visa was a done deal. Why doesn't the US Government, tell people up front of this BS from the Consulates. Go look for fraud on Wall Street.

Does that mean just the courts cant turn over the decsion of the consulate or does it mean that the USCIS cannot turn over the decision either? Both - if the USCIS disagrees with the denial, they can only re-affirm the petition, and send it back for a second chance. Usually, however, this seems to result in an approval by the Visa Officer. They (the USCIS) are apparently under no obligation to take any action whatsoever on returned visa petitions. Some light in the tunnel" 800 F.2d 970, 971 (9th Cir. 1986), that ordinarily, a consular official's decision to deny a visa to a foreigner is not subject to judicial review. However, when a U.S. citizen's constitutional rights are alleged to have been violated by the denial of a visa to a foreigner, we undertake a highly constrained review solely to determine whether the consular official acted on the basis of a facially legitimate and bona fide reason. In this case, the consular official offered a facially valid reason for denying the visa: Doctrines are not laws. One court rules something one way, which gets cited over and over again in other court cases, and before long, you have a doctrine.

6. In adjudicating visa cases involving petitions, posts should bear in mind three important factors: A. the consular officer's role in the petition process is to determine if there is substantial evidence relevant to petition validity not previously considered by DHS, and not to merely readjudicate the petition; B. the memo supporting the petition return must clearly show the factual and concrete reasons for recommending revocation (observations made by the consular officer cannot be conclusive, speculative, equivocal or irrelevant) and; C. consular officers must provide to the applicant in writing as full an explanation as possible of the legal and factual basis for the visa denial and petition return. Post must maintain a copy of the returned petition, other evidence relevant to the case, and a copy of the written notification of the denial. Send this to them when requesting freedom of information request (FOIA)

Without hard facts to sustain a non-bonafide relation, would not a subjective ruling of non bonafide, as such be best left to Psychologist or Psychiatrist, who are more trained to know how the mind thinks. So quite possible the Consulates have VOs practicing medicine without a license.

We received the exact same blue slip request as you, submitted what they asked for and was given a non-bonafide denial.

Not faulting you, this petition process is not without cost, $455.00 initial and the cost to the petitioner when they attend the interview, let them get a bigger room, they charge enough.

I'm wondering just how big is the interview room, is it a broom closet, that policy would use it as an excuse for not having someone with the beneficiary at the interview, and screaming petitioners, causing lock-downs another good reason good grief..

I know it may it is selfish, but I would personally like to have an artifact from the stone age, like that women carving they call "Venus" I even think what it would be like to have a meal of something on the endangered species list.

Hi, sorry to hear the news of your denial.My wife and I have been there,and 4 months have passed now,and the anger and pain is still there,it is a feeling only people with a white slip can understand..She got denied from the black woman signed "M" , she is very brutal.My wife got denied a k3 visa in october,and we are now CR1. forget the FOIA,it is a joke. you will get a document with everything you want to know" blacked out".your chances of finding out why you got denied is slim.Welcome to Guzland, communist america,take a deep breathe and just move forward,and pay attention to the game,because,you probably thought this was about love...it is not.....you will hear "they are only out to catch the bad guys....they are not....it is all about playing a game..so play it to the "T"...get married ,move slowly.....do either the k3 or CR1,and do what many say is "front load" your petition.thats what i would do. Yeah,to get married in China,you will need of course your passport and a "single affadavit" i don't know the exact name,i got mine done,thru "visarite"a service on the internet.Good luck.Hang in there.I know what you're feeling.the worst feeling i have ever felt in my 48 years walking this planet.Gods honest truth.Hang in there.remember,they can deny you a visa,but they can't take away the love you have for each other,stay focussed on that fact,and everything will be fine, it helps for my wife and I.good luck. Jimi "forget the FOIA,it is a joke. you will get a document with everything you want to know" blacked out".your chances of finding out why you got denied is slim." Did you file an FOIA, if you did, was it blacked out? Under the Bush administration which was just a few months ago the FOIA was heavily curtailed. Obama has lifted this curtailment, isn't it worth a try to find out. Calling "GUZ communist America" I guess is a better solution then to try and find the answer, one way or the other it is all going to take time, so why not use the time to your advantage?

You could submit an FOIA (Freedom of Information Act request) to DOS to see if they will give you the Consular notes. CR1 is good but you would have to go through GUZ once again, unless you married somewhere other than China.