A Blizzard of Whites

[Yuanyang]

It seems like quite a few white slips (NOID) are being generated by the GUZ these days with blues being the exception. The white slip of death use to be a very rare occurance. In fact if the question was one of a bonafide relationship I best recall those were being blue slipped. Has GUZ been given a new direction? Are folks just less prepared? Why? Your thoughts?

[Guest Dylan W]

Maybe more people with whites are finding reasons to join CFL, and pink people have no need.

[Yi_&_Me]

It seems like quite a few white slips (NOID) are being generated by the GUZ these days with blues being the exception. The white slip of death use to be a very rare occurance. In fact if the question was one of a bonafide relationship I best recall those were being blue slipped. Has GUZ been given a new direction? Are folks just less prepared? Why? Your thoughts?

There is a gentleman who used to say that we weren't always seeing the complete picture. He would get PM'd by the people with the white results. He leaves for an extended time and the white slips posted on the board increase, coincidence? I know many others receive these PM's as well. I wanted to ask the same question.

Edited January 15, 2009 by Yi_&_Me (see edit history)

[NUWORLD]

It seems like quite a few white slips (NOID) are being generated by the GUZ these days with blues being the exception. The white slip of death use to be a very rare occurance. In fact if the question was one of a bonafide relationship I best recall those were being blue slipped. Has GUZ been given a new direction? Are folks just less prepared? Why? Your thoughts?

 

My wife has a friend visiting in GZ now.

the other day she went by to visit the yang's.

and to thank them again for there help a few years ago.

The yangs told her the now is not a good time for visas.

They told her that only 2-3% are getting visas that stay with the yangs.

 

I find that kinda hard to believe.

If 100 people stay and only 2 get visas???

That sucks!!!! 98 blues or whites!!

 

I don't know!

[Batmaniac]

I talked to 3 blues (2 K1s, 1 K3) recently not on the board. One girl (K3) even had a 2 year old and they were hung up on a police report for a stay out of the country.

 

When wolvie and I picked up the visas at the PO, we looked in the metal case they were stored and there were only 8-10 left after our were taken. That was 10 AM in the morning. So does that mean maybe 20 or so were pinked on Thursday out of the crowd of 300 people in front of the consulate? I guess if we were on top of things, we should have had Ying ask the EMS guys how many they handover a day.

[Richard & Li]

Maybe more people with whites are finding reasons to join CFL, and pink people have no need.

 

I think Dylan may have hit the nail on the head.

 

There seem to be a lot of people joining CFL very late in the process and joining because they're having problems.

 

If there were a way to check, I think we would find that those who have been at CFL since early in the process (and have utilized the advice and experience available here to aid in their preparation) have probably been successful.

Edited January 16, 2009 by Richard & Li (see edit history)

[NUWORLD]

Maybe more people with whites are finding reasons to join CFL, and pink people have no need.

 

I think Dylan may have hit the nail on the head.

 

There seem to be a lot of people joining CFL very late in the process and joining because they're having problems.

 

If there were a way to check, I think we would find that those who have been at CFL since early in the process (and have utilized the advice and experience available here to aid in their preparation) have probably been successful.

 

Yes, I agree!

I found CFL early in the start of my journey.

I'm glad i found it when i did.

We got Blue, But was a easy overcome thanks to all the great help here on CFL.

[Lee VD]

Im going to be a little controversial here and say that I am a bit surprised that people are surprised when they get turned down for a visa after they marry their girl on the first visit. It just shows right away a lack of clear thinking and a high gullibility factor. I know that in many cases there have been 1 year relationships following the marriage and maybe a couple repeat visits but that doesnt eliminate the HUGE message it sends to the consulate that you can be easily snowed. You are just doomed if you do that.

 

This visa problem is being created by the internet entrepeneurs connecting these girls with American guys and promoting the concept of a quick marriage and visa. The flood of applications go in and they all have a very similar profile and the consulate is just shooting them down by profiling. I am very surprised the SCs are not cutting them off there. I am sure GUZ is taking matters into their own hands because of that. Its the SCs that are making their lives hell because of all the acceptances.

 

I really think applicants need to take the time to spend a significant amount of time with their prospect before getting married and before submitting the application and not bog the whole system down with petitions that are doomed for denials. Its only slowing down the process for those that want to take the time to figure out if she is "the right one".

 

Hold off on marriage, spend at least a couple months with her and get a K1, then get another 90 days to see if its right. I'm disappointed the system doesn't make it easier to spend time together in person but I can understand the rampant fraud situation.

 

I met a girl online from the Phillipines here in the US on a K1. Shortly after she got here the guy bailed out on her. She spent the rest of her 90 days searching for a way to stay here, even dating other guys, while living with her ex-fiance. She was a very sweet naive girl who got fooled into thinking this guy really loved her. The truth is they were just a complete mismatch and he was hoping for a young, wild, submissive which she was not. Its a good thing they at least figured it out before they got married.

 

I think you just have to take your time to see if its right before starting the process. Thats what I am doing...

 

I am very glad I found CFL when I started this adventure and I find myself feeling the same as most of you but why so many guys are just diving into marriage after a few DAYS of meeting in person is beyond me and then being so surprised when they get white slipped. CLEARLY, GUZ is saying "take another year to get to know her, then we'll see...". Blue slip doesnt do that.

[NUWORLD]

Im going to be a little controversial here and say that I am a bit surprised that people are surprised when they get turned down for a visa after they marry their girl on the first visit. It just shows right away a lack of clear thinking and a high gullibility factor. I know that in many cases there have been 1 year relationships following the marriage and maybe a couple repeat visits but that doesnt eliminate the HUGE message it sends to the consulate that you can be easily snowed. You are just doomed if you do that.

 

This visa problem is being created by the internet entrepeneurs connecting these girls with American guys and promoting the concept of a quick marriage and visa. The flood of applications go in and they all have a very similar profile and the consulate is just shooting them down by profiling. I am very surprised the SCs are not cutting them off there. I am sure GUZ is taking matters into their own hands because of that. Its the SCs that are making their lives hell because of all the acceptances.

 

I really think applicants need to take the time to spend a significant amount of time with their prospect before getting married and before submitting the application and not bog the whole system down with petitions that are doomed for denials. Its only slowing down the process for those that want to take the time to figure out if she is "the right one".

 

Hold off on marriage, spend at least a couple months with her and get a K1, then get another 90 days to see if its right. I'm disappointed the system doesn't make it easier to spend time together in person but I can understand the rampant fraud situation.

 

I met a girl online from the Phillipines here in the US on a K1. Shortly after she got here the guy bailed out on her. She spent the rest of her 90 days searching for a way to stay here, even dating other guys, while living with her ex-fiance. She was a very sweet naive girl who got fooled into thinking this guy really loved her. The truth is they were just a complete mismatch and he was hoping for a young, wild, submissive which she was not. Its a good thing they at least figured it out before they got married.

 

I think you just have to take your time to see if its right before starting the process. Thats what I am doing...

 

I am very glad I found CFL when I started this adventure and I find myself feeling the same as most of you but why so many guys are just diving into marriage after a few DAYS of meeting in person is beyond me and then being so surprised when they get white slipped. CLEARLY, GUZ is saying "take another year to get to know her, then we'll see...". Blue slip doesnt do that.

 

I married my wife on the first visit. and she is here with me now in the U.S.

 

How do you explain that?

Edited January 16, 2009 by NUWORLD (see edit history)

[Robert S.]

NUworld, that was then, when it was easier. Back when I applied for my wife a denial was really rare. It seems to be progressive, the amount of difficulties GUZ is making for people. I think Lee's opinion probably has a lot of accuracy, and needs to be discussed a great deal. GUZ nowadays seems to be denying a lot of people who have no real red flags at all. They are imposing an unofficial quota system, it looks like. Word must have been sent down to them from above.

[Guest jin979]

i agree with OP

[heyjimi]

Im going to be a little controversial here and say that I am a bit surprised that people are surprised when they get turned down for a visa after they marry their girl on the first visit. It just shows right away a lack of clear thinking and a high gullibility factor. I know that in many cases there have been 1 year relationships following the marriage and maybe a couple repeat visits but that doesnt eliminate the HUGE message it sends to the consulate that you can be easily snowed. You are just doomed if you do that.

 

This visa problem is being created by the internet entrepeneurs connecting these girls with American guys and promoting the concept of a quick marriage and visa. The flood of applications go in and they all have a very similar profile and the consulate is just shooting them down by profiling. I am very surprised the SCs are not cutting them off there. I am sure GUZ is taking matters into their own hands because of that. Its the SCs that are making their lives hell because of all the acceptances.

 

I really think applicants need to take the time to spend a significant amount of time with their prospect before getting married and before submitting the application and not bog the whole system down with petitions that are doomed for denials. Its only slowing down the process for those that want to take the time to figure out if she is "the right one".

 

Hold off on marriage, spend at least a couple months with her and get a K1, then get another 90 days to see if its right. I'm disappointed the system doesn't make it easier to spend time together in person but I can understand the rampant fraud situation.

 

I met a girl online from the Phillipines here in the US on a K1. Shortly after she got here the guy bailed out on her. She spent the rest of her 90 days searching for a way to stay here, even dating other guys, while living with her ex-fiance. She was a very sweet naive girl who got fooled into thinking this guy really loved her. The truth is they were just a complete mismatch and he was hoping for a young, wild, submissive which she was not. Its a good thing they at least figured it out before they got married.

 

I think you just have to take your time to see if its right before starting the process. Thats what I am doing...

 

I am very glad I found CFL when I started this adventure and I find myself feeling the same as most of you but why so many guys are just diving into marriage after a few DAYS of meeting in person is beyond me and then being so surprised when they get white slipped. CLEARLY, GUZ is saying "take another year to get to know her, then we'll see...". Blue slip doesnt do that.

 

all due respect,your talking out of your ass,generalizing.all peoples circumstances are different,most of us on here have been married before,got married after dating probably for many years before getting married.and yet most of us are divorced.I been on here cfl from the begining,before i met my wife,i was writing to a Russian girl,wrote to her for 6 or 8 months,went to visit her,and we knew,it was not meant to be.you kind of know these things when you finally meet someone in person.To suggest that those of us that got white slips have been snowed,is frankly an insult, I am one who married after meeting my wife,when we met i knew she was the one...sure,to avoid a red flag,we couldve married later and not sooner.but,please i am a clear thinking person,and not easily snowed,and not every woman is like your sweet naive philippino girl youve illustrated. in your post...i have spoken to many people and have met some of them and their wifes who recieved white slips...i am here to tell you they are very clear thinking people,not easily snowed.

please think before you speak.

 

jimi

[splinterman]

I joined CFL two months after filing for our K1. I didn't know it existed until a friend who was involved in the visa process for his wife told me about it, otherwise I feel I could have been better prepared than I was. For quite some time after joining I didn't post anything, I just read. I was trying to educate myself and I've learned quite a lot since then, and I'm thankful for all the advice I've been given although sometimes I thought some of it was a little harshly offered.

 

It would be great if someone, sometime, would expose the mystery behind GUZ and how they actually work. I know from some contacts that they have had several recent scandals there, internal things involving some of the VOs, and that leads me to believe that post is one which, when a new officer arrives there, they are 'mentored' into acting anyway they wish because they're basically untouchable. I was surprised to find that the moniker of 'high fraud' consulate was not always referring only to Chinese nationals.

 

I think it is explained to them their mission is to deny as many people as they can possibly find a reason for, even if those reasons are contrived or imagined. Throw a couple quick and easy pinks in there to keep anyone from statistically proving a negative spin on issuing visas, and you've pretty much summed up GUZ. With an atmosphere of total power and authority without having to be mindful of review comes abuse of that power. I think the VOs have the freedom to act whichever way they choose and possibly peer pressure might factor in there somewhere. From all the posts about the interviews I've read, I believe there are a couple of honest, dedicated and goodhearted VOs in GUZ but their number is small. Maybe those who are too 'easy' are 're-educated' and if that doesn't work, they are transferred.

 

What about the possibility of a quota system, like police officers being required to give X number of tickets each month? What do you think the possibility exists there is something like that in effect, where the VOs have to give so many whites, blues and pinks each month? There certainly must be administrative efficiency reports as these are widely used in government functions to justify funding as well as efficiency and staffing. That would also explain the existence of the 'secret' consulate that Stepbrow mentioned in his writeup of his SO's interview-administrative functions, not actual visa processing.

 

I think if more people knew about CFL before they filed, they would come here and become more knowledgeable about what they are about to enter into.

 

JMHO

Splinterman

[Guest Rob & Jin]

i think you get what you post on CFL, lurking is fine to a point, but until you post and really learn then you just get half the support.

pm to knowlegable members is key, but then you dont get that as a lurker hiding your flags in a sense of denial.

 

good luck all

[splinterman]

i think you get what you post on CFL, lurking is fine to a point, but until you post and really learn then you just get half the support.

pm to knowlegable members is key, but then you dont get that as a lurker hiding your flags in a sense of denial.

 

good luck all

 

 

Um, I think you're probably right about that. But when I say I didn't know anything before I started, well, I didn't know anything! I was learning from the ground up. Not that I think I am that far advanced now, but I know more than I did and I am continually learning.

 

Yes, some of the senior members have helped me a lot and a few of them through PMs. Not all the posts and PMs to me have been supportive and some of them were critical but I think that was because my intentions about my Plan B weren't known. I purposely haven't told the details about Plan B because I don't believe that GUZ doesn't have the time to read what we say here, and tries to match it up to their case files. I would bet money that they get a kick out of some of the posts and all of the confusion they've caused here by their actions.