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[DMikeS4321]

The reparations and restrictions placed on Germany after WWI certainly "influenced" German resentment which allowed Hitler's rise to power. But "culpable" for that along with what transpired?

 

cul·pa·ble (klp-bl)

adj.

Deserving of blame or censure as being wrong, evil, improper, or injurious.

 

Blame, censure, wrong, improper, injurious. 5 out of 6 by my count, Dave. Close enough for our purposes, I trust?

[IllinoisDave]

The reparations and restrictions placed on Germany after WWI certainly "influenced" German resentment which allowed Hitler's rise to power. But "culpable" for that along with what transpired?

 

cul穚a穊le (klp-bl)

adj.

Deserving of blame or censure as being wrong, evil, improper, or injurious.

 

Blame, censure, wrong, improper, injurious. 5 out of 6 by my count, Dave. Close enough for our purposes, I trust?

So you're saying that the Allies are to blame for the Holocaust? The Allies should be censured because of what Hitler did? The Allies were the injurious party that killed 11 million people? The 6 million Jews and 5 million others were wronged and/or treated improperly by the Allies?

 

That's a pretty amazing argument to be making.

[DMikeS4321]

So you're saying that the Allies are to blame for the Holocaust? The Allies should be censured because of what Hitler did? The Allies were the injurious party that killed 11 million people? The 6 million Jews and 5 million others were wronged and/or treated improperly by the Allies?

 

That's a pretty amazing argument to be making.

 

Yup, that's what I'm saying. Read the first couple of chapter's of Churchill's history of WWII. He clearly takes that position, as do most other historians. None of that Hitler stuff would have happened. Not saying that we MADE Hitler be a madman, but we certainly layed the ground work for his accdeptance by the German people and his subsequent ascension to power. It was all based on petty rivalries between the European powers as they struggled to adapt to the end of the colonial era.

 

Hitler appealed to the German psyche's 'need' for 'liebenstrom' (elbow room) and blamed the Jews for the completely oppressive nature of war reparations from WWI. The combination of those two issues, exacerbated by Western complicity in trying to limit Germany's ascension to status as a world power (as opposed to it's place as a regional power) made his pitch seem reasonable to many Germans. By the time most of Germany figured out what a nut Hitler was, it was far too late.

 

The Allies from WWI couldn't have done a better job of promoting the rise of a madman ruler in Germany if they had tried.

[Guest Tony n Terrific]

So you're saying that the Allies are to blame for the Holocaust? The Allies should be censured because of what Hitler did? The Allies were the injurious party that killed 11 million people? The 6 million Jews and 5 million others were wronged and/or treated improperly by the Allies?

 

That's a pretty amazing argument to be making.

 

Yup, that's what I'm saying. Read the first couple of chapter's of Churchill's history of WWII. He clearly takes that position, as do most other historians. None of that Hitler stuff would have happened. Not saying that we MADE Hitler be a madman, but we certainly layed the ground work for his accdeptance by the German people and his subsequent ascension to power. It was all based on petty rivalries between the European powers as they struggled to adapt to the end of the colonial era.

 

Hitler appealed to the German psyche's 'need' for 'liebenstrom' (elbow room) and blamed the Jews for the completely oppressive nature of war reparations from WWI. The combination of those two issues, exacerbated by Western complicity in trying to limit Germany's ascension to status as a world power (as opposed to it's place as a regional power) made his pitch seem reasonable to many Germans. By the time most of Germany figured out what a nut Hitler was, it was far too late.

 

The Allies from WWI couldn't have done a better job of promoting the rise of a madman ruler in Germany if they had tried.

Yes they way the Allies carved up Europe after World War 1 and the humiliation Germany had with the war Reperations only laid the ground work for a future Fuherer like Hitler. Ethinic Germans in Czechslovokia, and the Polish corridor bred alot of anger to Central Europe then. When the Russian took over Poland in 1945 the deported all ethinic Germans out of the area. They where not going to stand by and have another 20 million Russians killed a generation later.