I-134 notary

LeeFisher3 · July 28, 2006

My thought is that UNTIL the IV Unit changes the documentation sent to the Beneficiary AND/OR the I-134 is revised people should do their best to get the form notarized for the interview.

While GZ states it is not specifically required on their web site the K1 Appointment Packet NO16 they send provides for the following 3 options to meet the public charge provision of the law:

1. Applicant's Own Funds (personal funds)

2. Employment (prearranged employment in the US)

3. Affidavit of Support (provided by sponsor)

I understand it may seem easier to think that it might not be needed, but that will fade away quickly the first time someone receives a blue slip because the paper was not notarized.

July 28, 2006

I tried to get my I-134 notarized today at the U.S. Consulate's Office in Guangzhou. I got there at 3:10pm. The guard told me the Consulate's office is closed after 3:00pm. I didn't realize they close so early! Fortunately, the guard was kind enough to give me a phone number to call the Consulate's Office to see if they could squeeze me in. The number he gave me was 85187605.

The representative answering the phone told me the I-134 no longer needed to be notarized. He told me to just sign the I-134 and give it to my fiancé to take to the interview. This contradicts everything I have read thus far about the I-134. Is this a new policy from Guangzhou that we weren't aware of? If so, we should inform our members so they don't need to waste time and money to get something done that's not required.

It would be nice if Guangzhou could confirm this new policy.

Chris
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Not sure if this helps pshbrk's advice would follow.

Three months ago we went through this with my

federal tax return.It had to be notarized also, several

steps that involed though.four different workers at

the consulate told us this.Have it notarized reguardless.

Even if there is no section on the (whatever) paper it is,

but go to the main notary in GZ, or what ever city, not

the consulate.They will add a page to your document

for a fee of course, the one in GZ adds a page and puts

it in kinda like a binder.2 of these workers were chinese

and the other two were americans.Takes a little time

and a few dollars but the benifits outway all.

Thats how we do it now and never have a question.

Just big smiles from the consulate.Its worth a few

dollars and a little time.

July 28, 2006

I tried to get my I-134 notarized today at the U.S. Consulate's Office in Guangzhou. I got there at 3:10pm. The guard told me the Consulate's office is closed after 3:00pm. I didn't realize they close so early! Fortunately, the guard was kind enough to give me a phone number to call the Consulate's Office to see if they could squeeze me in. The number he gave me was 85187605.

The representative answering the phone told me the I-134 no longer needed to be notarized. He told me to just sign the I-134 and give it to my fiancé to take to the interview. This contradicts everything I have read thus far about the I-134. Is this a new policy from Guangzhou that we weren't aware of? If so, we should inform our members so they don't need to waste time and money to get something done that's not required.

It would be nice if Guangzhou could confirm this new policy.

Chris
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Not sure if this helps pshbrk's advice would follow.
Three months ago we went through this with my
federal tax return.It had to be notarized also, several
steps that involed though.four different workers at
the consulate told us this.Have it notarized reguardless.
Even if there is no section on the (whatever) paper it is,
but go to the main notary in GZ, or what ever city, not
the consulate.They will add a page to your document
for a fee of course, the one in GZ adds a page and puts
it in kinda like a binder.2 of these workers were chinese
and the other two were americans.Takes a little time
and a few dollars but the benifits outway all.
Thats how we do it now and never have a question.
Just big smiles from the consulate.Its worth a few
dollars and a little time.
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Sorry pushbrk wrong spelling.What you said 1st post is

exactly right in order to not have something slap you

in the face.It took us a week of running back and forth

just to (truly) find out (exactly) the right way to do

our joint return with wife in china and me in the states.

From a week of face to face with not only chinese

workers at GZ consulate but also right smart american

workers there.To put it short no mater what you (think)

don't need to be notarized think again.

I also got the feeling from a few things said it was best

to go to the notary in GZ, wherever, not the consulate.

All can say is thats how we do it with anything in dout.

Have gotten many (well done's) that way and no even

one :roller: .....

July 28, 2006

I tried to get my I-134 notarized today at the U.S. Consulate's Office in Guangzhou. I got there at 3:10pm. The guard told me the Consulate's office is closed after 3:00pm. I didn't realize they close so early! Fortunately, the guard was kind enough to give me a phone number to call the Consulate's Office to see if they could squeeze me in.?The number he gave me was 85187605.

The representative answering the phone told me the I-134 no longer needed to be notarized. He told me to just sign the I-134 and give it to my fianc?to take to the interview. This contradicts everything I have read thus far about the I-134. Is this a new policy from Guangzhou that we weren't aware of? If so, we should inform our members so they don't need to waste time and money to get something done that's not required.

It would be nice if Guangzhou could confirm this new policy.

Chris
234035[/snapback]
Not sure if this helps pshbrk's advice would follow.
Three months ago we went through this with my
federal tax return.It had to be notarized also, several
steps that involed though.four different workers at
the consulate told us this.Have it notarized reguardless.
Even if there is no section on the (whatever) paper it is,
but go to the main notary in GZ, or what ever city, not
the consulate.They will add a page to your document
for a fee of course, the one in GZ adds a page and puts
it in kinda like a binder.2 of these workers were chinese
and the other two were americans.Takes a little time
and a few dollars but the benifits outway all.
Thats how we do it now and never have a question.
Just big smiles from the consulate.Its worth a few
dollars and a little time.
234312[/snapback]
Sorry pushbrk wrong spelling.What you said 1st post is
exactly right in order to not have something slap you
in the face.It took us a week of running back and forth
just to (truly) find out (exactly) the right way to do
our joint return with wife in china and me in the states.

From a week of face to face with not only chinese
workers at GZ consulate but also right smart american
workers there.To put it short no mater what you (think)
don't need to be notarized think again.

I also got the feeling from a few things said it was best
to go to the notary in GZ, wherever, not the consulate.
All can say is thats how we do it with anything in dout.
Have gotten many (well done's) that way and no even
one .....
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If I follow you correctly, you are describing your experience with notarizing a joint tax return filed while your wife was in China and you in the US? This would include notary services to a Chinese citizen. Although related to the visa process, the procedure doesn't apply to affidavits of support or other US documents.

The I-134 is "notarized" by US standards. This means a licensed notary public attests to the identity, of the signer and date. Chinese "notarial service" are far more extensive but can serve as simple a purpose as the US version. For instance a Chinese Notarial office will produce a nonexistant birth certificate from nothing more than an official ID and household book.

Notarial services and "notarizing" are only of value when they serve a legitimate purpose.

This I-134 issue can get confusing. The form is clearly designed to be notarized. I suspect what is happening is the Consulate personell have a list of required immigration documents that must be notarized. An employee less intimately familiar with the immigration process, probably looked at this list, didn't see the I-134 on it and gave innocently incorrect advice.

See, the I-134 wouldn't be on any list of "required immigration documents". It's technically not required but the VO has the right to ask for documentation to satisfy the public charge requirements. If this is YOUR chosen document to meet that purpose, it better be notarized. This is a case where "attesting to the signature" is critical. Otherwise, anybody could simply fill out a phony I-134, sign it and submit it backed up by phony tax returns.

I can produce a tax return with my name on it, that is totally false. Anybody who pays twenty bucks for Turbo Tax can do it.

July 28, 2006

Your right..You know how easy it is to have

something notarized here in the states.

5 bucks at at the person next door can

do it, even someones mom in NC.

Yes it was a tax return we went through

all that with, many trips to notary in GZ

and also Shaman Island.As I said we made

sure all was done right.But it don't only apply

to a tax return, you know how involved that

can get with her there and me here.

Just look here on cfl, i can't even put in

words all the posts wife has seen on 001.

All I can post is what we have found out

over the last 1.5 years and many trips to

china face to face with more consulate

workers from there and here than i can

count.

1st hand knowledge face to face,

if in dout do it anyway.We tired the

consulate way of notary and everything

else.(as far as this notary subject goes).

5 trips several weeks at a time as far

as our experince goes.If you think you

need something done from a notary.

Posted or whatever and if your in

GZ take the time and spend the money.

I did find if it goes through GZ do it

there, go to the notary there and have

it done.As far as any douts that anyone

might have or questions about a notary

that will solve them. (as far as a notary).

Forms and all the what ifs about them

I can if a notary is in question (from there) if its

any question at all. Don't even ask

just take the few days, spend the money.

Don't depend on some consulate

or a phone call..It took us a long time

to understand what he or she realy wanted.

Can't count on that..Just do it.

It's the same as VO day in this.

Ya never know whats wanted.

Taxes yes now that was a real

trip to know.As far as something

done by a notary there in China.

Question it or not, dont.

Just take the time and a few bucks.

Heck get a notary for anything if ya

have the time and money when your

there.All i can say is we have had

(nothing) notarized at the consulate

in GZ..Have it done by the GZ oficail

notary smiles is all ya will see.

To many wonders, to many douts and questions

on a notary thing..Do what ever document you

even think needs be notarized..If theres a space

for it or not..

I know i dont say this right, its been a year and

a half apart from her..Its this i guess, even in this

subject..Don't think about if you need something.

Think ahead and just do it.Pushbrk said it best

dont assume.

What we dont think (is needed) right down to the

color of her husbands eyes will be.

Its hard i know but common sense (and some laws)

Hey..thats not so hard to do.

July 28, 2006

Your right..You know how easy it is to have
something notarized here in the states.
5 bucks at at the person next door can
do it, even someones mom in NC.

Yes it was a tax return we went through
all that with, many trips to notary in GZ
and also Shaman Island.As I said we made
sure all was done right.But it don't only apply
to a tax return, you know how involved that
can get with her there and me here.

Just look here on cfl, i can't even put in
words all the posts wife has seen on 001.
All I can post is what we have found out
over the last 1.5 years and many trips to
china face to face with more consulate
workers from there and here than i can
count.

1st hand knowledge face to face,
if in dout do it anyway.We tired the
consulate way of notary and everything
else.(as far as this notary subject goes).

5 trips several weeks at a time as far
as our experince goes.If you think you
need something done from a notary.
Posted or whatever and if your in
GZ take the time and spend the money.

I did find if it goes through GZ do it
there, go to the notary there and have
it done.As far as any douts that anyone
might have or questions about a notary
that will solve them. (as far as a notary).

Forms and all the what ifs about them
I can if a notary is in question (from there) if its
any question at all. Don't even ask
just take the few days, spend the money.

Don't depend on some consulate
or a phone call..It took us a long time
to understand what he or she realy wanted.
Can't count on that..Just do it.

It's the same as VO day in this.
Ya never know whats wanted.
Taxes yes now that was a real
trip to know.As far as something
done by a notary there in China.

Question it or not, dont.
Just take the time and a few bucks.
Heck get a notary for anything if ya
have the time and money when your
there.All i can say is we have had
(nothing) notarized at the consulate
in GZ..Have it done by the GZ oficail
notary smiles is all ya will see.

To many wonders, to many douts and questions
on a notary thing..Do what ever document you
even think needs be notarized..If theres a space
for it or not..

I know i dont say this right, its been a year and
a half apart from her..Its this i guess, even in this
subject..Don't think about if you need something.
Think ahead and just do it.Pushbrk said it best
dont assume.
What we dont think (is needed) right down to the
color of her husbands eyes will be.
Its hard i know but common sense (and some laws)
Hey..thats not so hard to do.
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I really can't make heads or tails out of what you wrote above. I understand the complication of notarizing a joint tax return with the signers in separate Countries but how about providing an example of some other English language document you had notarized in China.

Of course all the official Chinese documents need Notarial Translations.

Generally a USC petitioner would not need anything notarized at the consulate unless they were filing DCF or otherwise completing the papers THEY sign while in China. Since you are in the States, I'm not a bit surprised you got nothing notarized at the consulate.

What else are you talking about notarizing besides your taxes and Chinese language documents?

Edited July 28, 2006 by pushbrk (see edit history)

sweattrl1 · August 9, 2006

Your right..You know how easy it is to have
something notarized here in the states.
5 bucks at at the person next door can
do it, even someones mom in NC.

Yes it was a tax return we went through
all that with, many trips to notary in GZ
and also Shaman Island.As I said we made
sure all was done right.But it don't only apply
to a tax return, you know how involved that
can get with her there and me here.

Just look here on cfl, i can't even put in
words all the posts wife has seen on 001.
All I can post is what we have found out
over the last 1.5 years and many trips to
china face to face with more consulate
workers from there and here than i can
count.

1st hand knowledge face to face,
if in dout do it anyway.We tired the
consulate way of notary and everything
else.(as far as this notary subject goes).

5 trips several weeks at a time as far
as our experince goes.If you think you
need something done from a notary.
Posted or whatever and if your in
GZ take the time and spend the money.

I did find if it goes through GZ do it
there, go to the notary there and have
it done.As far as any douts that anyone
might have or questions about a notary
that will solve them. (as far as a notary).

Forms and all the what ifs about them
I can if a notary is in question (from there) if its
any question at all. Don't even ask
just take the few days, spend the money.

Don't depend on some consulate
or a phone call..It took us a long time
to understand what he or she realy wanted.
Can't count on that..Just do it.

It's the same as VO day in this.
Ya never know whats wanted.
Taxes yes now that was a real
trip to know.As far as something
done by a notary there in China.

Question it or not, dont.
Just take the time and a few bucks.
Heck get a notary for anything if ya
have the time and money when your
there.All i can say is we have had
(nothing) notarized at the consulate
in GZ..Have it done by the GZ oficail
notary smiles is all ya will see.

To many wonders, to many douts and questions
on a notary thing..Do what ever document you
even think needs be notarized..If theres a space
for it or not..

I know i dont say this right, its been a year and
a half apart from her..Its this i guess, even in this
subject..Don't think about if you need something.
Think ahead and just do it.Pushbrk said it best
dont assume.
What we dont think (is needed) right down to the
color of her husbands eyes will be.
Its hard i know but common sense (and some laws)
Hey..thats not so hard to do.
234349[/snapback]
I really can't make heads or tails out of what you wrote above. I understand the complication of notarizing a joint tax return with the signers in separate Countries but how about providing an example of some other English language document you had notarized in China.

Of course all the official Chinese documents need Notarial Translations.

Generally a USC petitioner would not need anything notarized at the consulate unless they were filing DCF or otherwise completing the papers THEY sign while in China. Since you are in the States, I'm not a bit surprised you got nothing notarized at the consulate.

What else are you talking about notarizing besides your taxes and Chinese language documents?
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I agree with Pushbrk, but to i am still alittle green around the ears, i depend a lot on what i read from this site, we have reached the p3 stage and waiting for the p4, i am tring my best to get all things notarized and sent to my soon to be wife , eavh time i read what is going on here , i find many diffrent opions of what is needed and what need to be notarized, tomorrow i will have my 2003 and 2004 tax notarized to send to her , i took my 2005 , (notarized )to her in july, ok i now will have a copy of my passport( notarized)i will have on the pages with important data on it notarized, page one and page 7 personal contact info.and the pages with my chinese visa, and the pages with the entries and dept, stamps, in order to not be confused any more, who agree , and i did have my I-134 notarized, this is a real need to do form, thank everyone , lost in north carolin :rolleyes:

August 9, 2006

Your right..You know how easy it is to have
something notarized here in the states.
5 bucks at at the person next door can
do it, even someones mom in NC.

Yes it was a tax return we went through
all that with, many trips to notary in GZ
and also Shaman Island.As I said we made
sure all was done right.But it don't only apply
to a tax return, you know how involved that
can get with her there and me here.

Just look here on cfl, i can't even put in
words all the posts wife has seen on 001.
All I can post is what we have found out
over the last 1.5 years and many trips to
china face to face with more consulate
workers from there and here than i can
count.

1st hand knowledge face to face,
if in dout do it anyway.We tired the
consulate way of notary and everything
else.(as far as this notary subject goes).

5 trips several weeks at a time as far
as our experince goes.If you think you
need something done from a notary.
Posted or whatever and if your in
GZ take the time and spend the money.

I did find if it goes through GZ do it
there, go to the notary there and have
it done.As far as any douts that anyone
might have or questions about a notary
that will solve them. (as far as a notary).

Forms and all the what ifs about them
I can if a notary is in question (from there) if its
any question at all. Don't even ask
just take the few days, spend the money.

Don't depend on some consulate
or a phone call..It took us a long time
to understand what he or she realy wanted.
Can't count on that..Just do it.

It's the same as VO day in this.
Ya never know whats wanted.
Taxes yes now that was a real
trip to know.As far as something
done by a notary there in China.

Question it or not, dont.
Just take the time and a few bucks.
Heck get a notary for anything if ya
have the time and money when your
there.All i can say is we have had
(nothing) notarized at the consulate
in GZ..Have it done by the GZ oficail
notary smiles is all ya will see.

To many wonders, to many douts and questions
on a notary thing..Do what ever document you
even think needs be notarized..If theres a space
for it or not..

I know i dont say this right, its been a year and
a half apart from her..Its this i guess, even in this
subject..Don't think about if you need something.
Think ahead and just do it.Pushbrk said it best
dont assume.
What we dont think (is needed) right down to the
color of her husbands eyes will be.
Its hard i know but common sense (and some laws)
Hey..thats not so hard to do.
234349[/snapback]
I really can't make heads or tails out of what you wrote above. I understand the complication of notarizing a joint tax return with the signers in separate Countries but how about providing an example of some other English language document you had notarized in China.

Of course all the official Chinese documents need Notarial Translations.

Generally a USC petitioner would not need anything notarized at the consulate unless they were filing DCF or otherwise completing the papers THEY sign while in China. Since you are in the States, I'm not a bit surprised you got nothing notarized at the consulate.

What else are you talking about notarizing besides your taxes and Chinese language documents?
234357[/snapback]
I agree with Pushbrk, but to i am still alittle green around the ears, i depend a lot on what i read from this site, we have reached the p3 stage and waiting for the p4, i am tring my best to get all things notarized and sent to my soon to be wife , eavh time i read what is going on here , i find many diffrent opions of what is needed and what need to be notarized, tomorrow i will have my 2003 and 2004 tax notarized to send to her , i took my 2005 , (notarized )to her in july, ok i now will have a copy of my passport( notarized)i will have on the pages with important data on it notarized, page one and page 7 personal contact info.and the pages with my chinese visa, and the pages with the entries and dept, stamps, in order to not be confused any more, who agree , and i did have my I-134 notarized, this is a real need to do form, thank everyone , lost in north carolin
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When you notarize a passport for this purpose, you copy and notarize every page, even the blank pages. This is to substitute for the real thing. This way they can see you aren't concealing all those trips to Afghanistan, and Columbia.

MRMC · August 9, 2006

If someone at a Consulate would tell me something other than written on the instructions, I think that you would not be asking for too much, if you asked for them to put the exception in an offical writing. Since that will probably not happen, get it notarized.

LeeFisher3 · August 9, 2006

If someone at a Consulate would tell me something other than written on the instructions, I think that you would not be asking for too much, if you asked for them to put the exception in an offical writing. Since that will probably not happen, get it notarized.
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The answer came from someone on the American (Dis)Service Side of the consulate, not the Immigration Visa Unit.

This was cleared up by USCONGUZ in I-134 Notarization Issue

http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?...pic=19495&st=15

It seems that ACS won't notarize an I-134 for one of our members. He was told to just sign it and take it to the interview. This is in direct contrast to the form's instructions.

So, will a non-notarized I-134 cause problems at the interview window?
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Dear CFL,

Per the instructions on the I-134 form, it still needs to be notarized. Original, notarized I-134 forms are required for each and every K1 or K3 visa beneficiary. We've reminded our officers of this guidance; thanks for bringing it to our attention. Our ACS unit would be happy to notarize an I-134 form for you if you so request.

Please note that the requirements for the recently updated I-864 family of forms (I-864, I-864A, I-864EZ) are different. One big recent change is that notarizations for I-864-type forms is no longer required.

For more detailed information, please see the instructions on the new I-864 forms at www.uscis.gov.

Sincerely,

USCONGUZ
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david_dawei · August 9, 2006

The answer came from someone on the American (Dis)Service Side of the consulate, not the Immigration Visa Unit.

This was cleared up by USCONGUZ
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This is an important distinction... we have seen that the NIV and IV units even have some differences which make even the K1 (technically a NIV, but treated as an IV) confusing at times.

When in doubt, point out that you fall under the IV unit's requirements...

Yuanyang · August 10, 2006

I went on the basis of "when in doubt" have it notarized.

Chris+XiaoXia · August 10, 2006

If someone at a Consulate would tell me something other than written on the instructions, I think that you would not be asking for too much, if you asked for them to put the exception in an offical writing. Since that will probably not happen, get it notarized.
236575[/snapback]
The answer came from someone on the American (Dis)Service Side of the consulate, not the Immigration Visa Unit.

This was cleared up by USCONGUZ in I-134 Notarization Issue
http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?...pic=19495&st=15

It seems that ACS won't notarize an I-134 for one of our members. He was told to just sign it and take it to the interview. This is in direct contrast to the form's instructions.

So, will a non-notarized I-134 cause problems at the interview window?
234352[/snapback]
Dear CFL,

Per the instructions on the I-134 form, it still needs to be notarized. Original, notarized I-134 forms are required for each and every K1 or K3 visa beneficiary. We've reminded our officers of this guidance; thanks for bringing it to our attention. Our ACS unit would be happy to notarize an I-134 form for you if you so request.

Please note that the requirements for the recently updated I-864 family of forms (I-864, I-864A, I-864EZ) are different. One big recent change is that notarizations for I-864-type forms is no longer required.

For more detailed information, please see the instructions on the new I-864 forms at www.uscis.gov.

Sincerely,

USCONGUZ
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236592[/snapback]

Thanks Lee for clearing this up for us. I followed you guys' advice and got the I-134 notarized anyway, just to be safe. It was free at the Consulate's office. But after all these trouble, the interviewer didn't even ask for it <_<

Chris

August 10, 2006

I went on the basis of "when in doubt" have it notarized.
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Always the best policy, as stated in the original reply to the OP. The form itself states notarization is required....

http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?...ndpost&p=234140

Also, some say it's okay to use any fillable form for the P4, rather than the forms received in the mail. Why not use both and have them with you at the interview to cover the "F"-factor. Yes, there is always an "F"-factor, so plan on any and all contigencies. Better to have too much than not enough, because you can bet that if you decide to cut a corner because someone on Candle or Guz speaks said it was okay, you will indeed be setting yourself up for a last minute surprise come interview day...

August 10, 2006

I went on the basis of "when in doubt" have it notarized.
236710[/snapback]
Always the best policy, as stated in the original reply to the OP. The form itself states notarization is required....

http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?...ndpost&p=234140

Also, some say it's okay to use any fillable form for the P4, rather than the forms received in the mail. Why not use both and have them with you at the interview to cover the "F"-factor. Yes, there is always an "F"-factor, so plan on any and all contigencies. Better to have too much than not enough, because you can bet that if you decide to cut a corner because someone on Candle or Guz speaks said it was okay, you will indeed be setting yourself up for a last minute surprise come interview day...
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This downloaded vs hand written on forms from GUZ is interesting. Yang Jiahua encouraged my wife to fill out the actual papers GUZ sent instead of using the fillable ones. Of course, we know THAT will work but I'm curious if anybody has actually USED the fillable forms for interview, with success. If we can document this, then others may benefit, including those "helpers" in GUZ.

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