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I used to live in Foshan. So funny to see a city of over 1M people referred to as a "bedroom community" 1m by Chinese standards is pretty much a small town.

So who wants to go wade through some of this slop next time you are in Beijing? ewwwww At least Uncle Mao considered all the residents of Beijing. The nuclear bunkers in Washington are designed only for the president, his cabinet and a handful of congresscritters and buddies.

Fushan may refer to: Foshan (·ðɽ), city in Guangdong, China according to some internet searches. It is in Guangdong so it would be what I call Foshan but it can also be referred to as Fushan. Confusing enough? It is Foshan or, as they say in Cantonese, Fushan.. What is interesting is that the photo on the NY Times page looks exactly like the Honda plant in Guangzhou. This could be an interesting strike. Were it not against a Japanese company, I'd say the strike would end relatively quickly with the striking workers getting FITA. After all, the reason cars are so expensive in China is because the government taxes the hell out of automobile producers. Anyhow, my guess is that the strikers will not get what they hope for. Giving 1,900 employees a 1,000 RMB per month raise would cost Honda about an extra $400,000 per month. I'd bet that they are given significantly less based on increased overtime and then later on down the road the company fires most all of the organizers. Time will tell. Are you planning on the Honda executives putting about $120K/month in their pockets? But your right I would guess too that they get significantly less than the 1,000 RMB/month. Something along the lines of changing the shift start time to 8AM, fixing the A/C in the dorm, and giving 50 RMB/month more pay. It will be interesting to see how long they let the strike go on and what other strikes are allowed in the future. Maybe the strike will be long enough to cause the Japan PM to take the pressure off China regarding NK???? Some news reports are coming through saying the strike has been settled for an initial starting salary increase of under 25%. After taxes, the employee sees something like a 15 to 20% raise.

Fushan may refer to: Foshan (·ðɽ), city in Guangdong, China according to some internet searches. It is in Guangdong so it would be what I call Foshan but it can also be referred to as Fushan. Confusing enough? It is Foshan or, as they say in Cantonese, Fushan.. What is interesting is that the photo on the NY Times page looks exactly like the Honda plant in Guangzhou. This could be an interesting strike. Were it not against a Japanese company, I'd say the strike would end relatively quickly with the striking workers getting FITA. After all, the reason cars are so expensive in China is because the government taxes the hell out of automobile producers. Anyhow, my guess is that the strikers will not get what they hope for. Giving 1,900 employees a 1,000 RMB per month raise would cost Honda about an extra $400,000 per month. I'd bet that they are given significantly less based on increased overtime and then later on down the road the company fires most all of the organizers. Time will tell.

26 years in the Corps and you talk about America the way you do, personaly I think you're full of bovine residue, just my opinion. Bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. The guy was NOT a Marine. He was a fraud ... smelled a lot like He Who Shall Not Be Named.

Ok..so original topic was this article which says that Chinese men with money are straying/cheating which is fueling the rise in the disease. They even quote a UNC doctor as saying "Dr. Joseph Tucker, lead author and an infectious disease specialist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said in an interview. "Even one baby born with syphilis in China is unacceptable." Then I google and find this article about the rise of syphilis in the USA. Here it is blamed on women using crack and working in the sex trade. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36572428/ns/he..._and_parenting/ And there is no UNC doctor claiming that even one baby born in the US with syphilis is unacceptable. So I still don't know the point of the thread but I see problems in both countries and quite an interesting difference in how the problems are presented. Amen!

For what it's worth, Bank of America and China Construction Bank have an agreement whereby you can use your BOA ATM card or credit card at China Construction Bank ATMs without incurring any fees.

http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?...c=41150&hl= On the Credit Card Balance thread Cousin Chilton stated: "Don't have a credit card." I replied: "Most people in China get away without having one. Almost everybody has a debit card, though." First of all, Kim, how pathetic your use of ellipses to imply that my statement included anything other than the exact quote, above. Secondly, and I know you have some psychodevelopmental issues which limit your ability to understand the precise use of the English language, Cousin Chilton simply stated that he has no credit card balance because he hasn't a credit card. Tough concept to grasp for you, Kim? As of the 1st quarter of 2009, the People's Bank of China reported that there are 150,470,000 active credit cards in circulation, or 0.11 per Chinese citizen. They've also projected a 10% growth rate for the remainder of the year. If from that it is still difficult for you to grasp the concept of, at a minimum, the majority of people in CHina do not have credit cards, I suggest you try for a refund for that lobotomy. Most people, on the other hand, do have a debit card in China. If you have a bank account, chances are you have an ATM card. If you've opened a bank account within the last year or so, there are even higher chances you have an ATM card since Chinese banks are now putting an end to the accounts that have both a passbook and an associated ATM card -- you pick one or the other. Therefore, Cousin Chilton is in good company with millions of others without credit cards. As if he really cares. Have I dumbed it down enough for you, Kim? If not, please let me know and I'll try it again when your second brain cell returns from sabbatical.

Is it beyond your IQ level to cite whole quotes in context, or is it that pesky little issue you have of trying to appear anything but the congenital liar that you are? You are a fraud, Kim. Pathetic.

Please give explicit examples / links. I'm sorry, but just taking your word for it doesn't fly. Maybe because your credibility flew out the window with the "ZERO credit cards in China 15 years ago" lie? Another of either your fantasies or your lies. Smart money is on the latter. You can incorporate in Hong Kong with registered capital of HK$1. Your belief that any Hong Kong corporation can be used to get the expat registered owner a residence permit in China borders on delusional. That's a fact. As is the fact that, contrary to your belief, an expat can just set up any old mom & pop store with his Chinese wife and obtain a residence permit. Kim, you have been caught in sooooo many outright lies that it is starting to look pathological. My personal favorite, however, is the "ZERO credit cards in China in 1995" one.

A little recap for the reading challenged? > The CCP appears to be making only token > efforts to bring things under control. Here > is a recent article in China Daily about a > recent bust of four night clubs in Beijing. > These four night clubs employed 557 > women! ... The authorities better ramp up > antibiotic production and sexual education > programs. > Many hotels in China have an entire floor > dedicated to a brothel. This can't be done > without an 'understanding' with local > government officials. > Not to mention the cards of hookers that > you get slid under your door when staying > at hotels. I swear I must have been close > to having a complete set from one brothel > by the end of one week. Some of the comments can easily be taken as hypocritic, condescending and flippant. If that's how D or D took them, then that's his perogative. So now, Wei Ai Jia You, that we've establish you have reading comprehension issues more serious than originally thought, why not call 1 (800) I CAN READ and get yourself a Literacy Volunteer? When you can actually read instead of just staring at the words and drooling over the pictures, maybe then you'd know WTF you were talking about. You know, the question isn't whether it hurts when you think. The question is just how the hell you stand the pain.

I guess you pulled that "fact" out of your ass, too. Old habits die hard, right?

It is OK for people who plan to basically be retired. Even then, there is always the possibility that on some whim or technicality it won't be renewed, in which case your family could be separated. For people who still have to work, would like to raise a family in China etc., it is truly useless. A series of one-year work visas is the only way until/unless you qualify for the green card. And one-year work visas don't give you a lot upon which to build a stable life. And there is no guarantee that you can get two years. One year isn't much, but I suppose it's better than nothing. I know people here over ten years on a series of stringed-along one-year-type visas. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

Totally agree. Unfortunately I don't see things getting that much better for your average expat except for a few minor cosmetic changes. It would help if the powers that be got rid of their racist and "Us vs. Them" mentality.

2. Immediate family means mother, father, son or daughter and who has no spouse, mother, son or daughter abroad. How would that apply to you? Is your mother Chinese? Are you telling us that you have permanent residence in China? 5. It would benefit them if step-parent were considered a parent, which it is not. Perhaps if she legally adopts them.

Read somewhere that almost 1/3 of US women have got herpes, and not from toilet seats. I've seen that, too. I think it was in the MSNBC health news section. and herpes can never be cured, I understand syphillis can be cured. Herpes once you have it you always do, and spread it easily. So what does that say about Americians morality and sexual practices, come on guys tell me your excuses for the USA being one of the most STD ridden countries in the world.Decline in Christain values , just bad luck or Jerry Springer? my guess is none of the above but guys and girls here doing for a long time what you now pointing your finger at the chinese for doing. I'm not a political,religious guy but I see through hypocrasy easily, if you are going to post a thread like this also post the stats for here too I think you may be suprised. Hypocrisy? We're talking about China because the OP posted an article about China. What they do or don't do in China to deal with babies being born with syphilis has absolutely nothing to do with the US. I didn't see anybody here being judgmental until your post. Some people have better reading comprehension than others. Have you thought of a tutor?

Overseas Chinese are people of Chinese birth or descent who live outside the territories administered by the governments of the People's Republic of China (PRC) (mainland China, Hong Kong, and Macau) and the Republic of China (ROC) (Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, and Matsu). People of partial Chinese ancestry may also consider themselves Overseas Chinese. The article is confusing. For example the residence permit is for those who wish to stay in China for 6 months or longer yet the woman married to a German man talks about how this will be wonderful for her German family to come visit without a L visa because they visit once a year. Do they really visit for more than 6 months at a time. If not then this residence permit does nothing for them. I also would be interested to know how her German husband got permanent residence in 2006 and what she meant by this -- is this a one yr renewable residence permit for working or something like a permanent green card? The whole article looks more like an "ad" for the Chinese govt to satisfy some promises made to other countries regarding this issue. I was told that my wife didn't qualify as a returning "overseas Chinese" (after living abroad for more than 6 months), so we couldn't have imported the container (to China) on her passport, like I intended all along. But by that time, I had my teaching job, so we followed the path of least resistance and imported it (duty free) using my work permit. But the way I read the customs regulations, she should have been allowed a one-time, duty free importation of household goods. Won't know for sure unless someone else tries it. I think she would only be an overseas Chinese if she had become a US citizen. This is at least how I've always heard the term (»ªÇÈÈË) used. The term is liberally used to suit the needs of the particular government policy. Overseas Chinese also include, at times, Chinese students in America who only have a temporary green card. There is / was a policy to allow these "overseas Chinese" to come back to one of the biggest cities, get preferential job treatment and get "hukou" in that city.

Overseas Chinese are people of Chinese birth or descent who live outside the territories administered by the governments of the People's Republic of China (PRC) (mainland China, Hong Kong, and Macau) and the Republic of China (ROC) (Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, and Matsu). People of partial Chinese ancestry may also consider themselves Overseas Chinese. The article is confusing. For example the residence permit is for those who wish to stay in China for 6 months or longer yet the woman married to a German man talks about how this will be wonderful for her German family to come visit without a L visa because they visit once a year. Do they really visit for more than 6 months at a time. If not then this residence permit does nothing for them. I also would be interested to know how her German husband got permanent residence in 2006 and what she meant by this -- is this a one yr renewable residence permit for working or something like a permanent green card? The whole article looks more like an "ad" for the Chinese govt to satisfy some promises made to other countries regarding this issue. There are a few articles about this in the local Chinese newspapers that give more information. Overall, though, I agree that it is just a propoganda tool. Certain(*) spouses of Chinese nationals can already get a one-year L visa which allows multiple entries and no maximum stay conditions within the one-year term. These visas can also be renewed continually for equal one-year, or longer, terms. These visas do not, however, legally allow one to work. The new residence permits will also not allow one to work nor buy property. In fact, these new residence permits will be of little to no use to your average expat married to a Chinese citizen. 1. Foreign spouses, parents, and children under 18 of Chinese citizens or foreigners who have permanent residence status in China. 2. Foreigners older than 60, and their spouses, who do not have immediate family abroad and come to China to live with their immediate family. The immediate family members in China can be Chinese citizens or foreigners who have permanent residence status in China. 3. Overseas Chinese aged above 60 who have bought houses in China, and their foreign spouses and children aged below 18. 4. Overseas Chinese older than 18 who come to China to take care of their Chinese parents, who have reached 60 and do not have any children in China. 5. Foreign children under 18 being taken care of in China and whose parents are overseas Chinese or Chinese citizens who hold permanent residence permits in other countries. Look at item #1. Expat spouses are already allowed one year. All the articles on this new residence permit state that it will be valid for one or two years. So now under the new scheme you have the "possibility" of one additional year. We all know how "possibility" works in China. For those with permanent residence, they can already bring their expat spouses or minor children to China and easily obtain permanent residence for them. Item #2. Applies primarily to Chinese and overseas Chinese. Expats with permanent residence can already do this under even more favorable terms. Items #3 and #4. Overseas Chinese. Item #5. Chinese people who have Chinese kids abroad that have not obtained Chinese citizenship at birth. * Those from countries that China views favorably to exclude, generally, African countries, Middle East, Central & South America, other Asian countries and the old Soviet Bloc.

Shenzhen's definition is correct. I'd also add a few categories since the government uses the term "overseas Chinese" quite liberally at times when best it serves their needs. There are times when the term is also inclusive of Singaporeans, ethnic Chinese in Malaysia and even ABCs. Then there are times the government uses the term and it only applies to Chinese citizens living abroad. Count on them defining the term in the manner least beneficial to you.

Good one. I will copy this to your thread and pin in the "Comumication Travel forum" Doesn't say anything about working. Those who have the spousal "L" visa usually already have multiple entries and no stay restrictions.

They gave you bum advice. HK enterprises that wish to either 1) be eligible for visa considerations and / or 2) issue fa piaos must be registered also with the Ministry of Industry & Commerce and the taxation authorities. They have to have minimum paid-up capital. The expat who is married to a Chinese national in no, way, shape or form can run a business legally (i.e. your small enterprises) without a work permit / work visa. There are minimum capital requirements and also additional industry specific requirements before the labor bureau will allow the enterprise eligible for visa considerations.

1. You're military pension and SS cannot be mailed to a Chinese Bank or address - so you need to have it deposited in a US bank with access from China or anywhere else in the world. 2. You've stated that "Nanning" is a good locality (not sure what this means -- as it is basically a humid "shit hole", similar to Hanoi). That aside you also state that you have plenty of money to live in China. If you have significant amounts of savings and investment - in addition to your military pension and social security, both indexed for inflation, you might have enough money to live in China - with a modicum of Western Style comforts. (AC, Hot water, Soft Bed, Clean building, No bugs, no shit or garbarge at your doorway). When I lived in China it cost me between $3K-$4K USD a month to live - and my house was FREE - owned by my wife. Albeit, we lived like westerners and not like I did when I was young and naieve and dug into Khe Sanh red dirt....trying to not step on or dig up the land mines the less than bright Marines had left "Unmarked, Unmapped, and Unreported". 3. What you were told - is that somthing AKIN to a US Green Card to live in CHina is "next to impossible" to get. Most of us here, know of one or two people who have obtained them - but they are special cases. If you would like to read about Prof Bill Brown - who was one of the first to receive one - check out the website amoymagic. So yes, getting a China Green Card is probably not going to happen. 4. However, I lived in China several years, others are living there now, and would be more than happy to share information with anyone that asks and interacts with people in a civil and mature manner. I can tell you two ways to keep a Resident Visa in China. Student and/or Husband. Both ways can keep you with a renewable 1 yr Resident Visa - at low cost, low risk etc. Even if you had to someday revert to a Multiple entry tourist visa - you are so close to Viet Nam and or Macau - you could easily cross the border and reenter every 90 days. So you can live in China indefinitely - many are and have done it for years. 1. It is possible to have your check (after fighting them on the direct deposit requirement) mailed to the US Embassy's street address in Virginia and forwarded to you here. You'd need to develop a contact to assist you, but it is done. That said, DD into USAA or NFCU is the better option. Cashing your check here in China will put an up to 6 week hold while it clears. 2. There is no place in southern China that is not humid. Other than that, Nanjing isn't bad. 3. For at least 5 years. 4. The visa available to spouses of Chinese nationals is not and never has been a resident permit. It is an "L" visa (L = Tourist) which gives you a longer period of stay than your typical tourist visa. You cannot work. A resident permit is available only on an "X" (student) or "Z" (employment) visa and a couple of other types not available to mere mortals. The visa is what gets you in the country. The residence permit allows you to live there without having to border hop. The residence permit looks like a visa (and is PROBABLY what Mike was referring to as a "residence visa"):http://i47.tinypic.com/72dg05.jpg I entered on an L visa and got a job, which got me the residence permit. Right. And it is the visa if you are on an "L" or an "F" which is stuck in your passport and controls how long you can stay and if you can leave and re-enter at will. If you are a student, diplomat, or have legal employment, you are then issued a residence permit which replaces your visa and indicates the purpose of your stay and all the other information usually included in the visa. A residence permit gives you a few extra advantages such as the ability to buy property and exchange RMB for US$, but a visa does not -- or, if it does, is more restricted. I guess the big clue is that one at the top says "Visa" and the other says "Residence Permit."

Read somewhere that almost 1/3 of US women have got herpes, and not from toilet seats. I've seen that, too. I think it was in the MSNBC health news section.

Unless they have changed the laws again, even HK companies on the Mainland have a minimum PRC tax burden. They also have minimum capital requirements if the company is to be registered with the tax authorities and the Ministry of Industry -- which they must be if they need visa facilities for their staff. Where HK companies flourish -- regarding visas -- is when their expat staff is from HK in which case they do not need visas per se.

Well suh....near as I kin figger...shithole is as shithole does. No matter where ya go, sweltering hot and humid, sucks Glad my wife is from northeast China with four seasons, none of them tropical or even sub-tropical. I kin put on enough clothes to keep warm, but I can't take off enough to stay cool, even if the law allowed me to run around nekked. When I left Vietnam, I swore I would never live in another place where when I took a shower I couldn't get dried off. No more everyday high humidity, or f'ing torrential rainy season for this kid, I like to enjoy summer. tsap seui Hey .. not everybody is like that .. give me a humid shit hole any day of the week over a frigid tundra like northeast china in the winter... Hot and moist beats frigid and cold everytime .... Beijing winters aren't that bad. Sure beats the hell out of NY winters. Not sure about further north though. I bet Harbin could be a real pain in the neck. And in Shenyang it was the first time I saw black snow.