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Ok, Listen to me, antryg, I'm going to give it to you bluntly, in American style, you SSOS --- I have read everything you have posted here: IMHO you are a plant, designed to mask the truth. Candle is ALL about the truth, so you have no place here. I'm the proud American Son of Party Members --- and they rely on me for the TRUTH from the free press which they can't get in PRC. Father was one of the First> He joined the Party long before you were born (and listend nightly to Voice of America) --- he joined to kill Japanese. But he fought for a better system (without corruption) than you are here trying to hide --- the corrupt system that has become WJB. I understand why the current PRC wants to hide Wen's fortune --- but that has no place here at the Candle ---- and neither do you.

Thats EXACTLY the reason, Seafood! and WELL covered here in the US press (MODERATORS ~ are you watching??)

I'm sorry. I just find it funny that someone has millions of dollars to invest and comes to an online forum for advice. I'm just hoping to scrape together a few hundred dollars to send to my Qīzi. ----Well, antryg, my first instincts ( since you admit to a bogus post) its that you are trying to cover up the far more important NYT post on the wealth of WJB. ---- I hope that isn't the case, but I call attention to the moderators ~ !

This is a very important issue, and not vetted here at the Candle as well as it should be -- -- Elderly parents (or other family members) who get sick on a visit to the US are SOL regarding medical coverage in the US--- (NO insurance) ---- a catastrophic medical event (such as a stroke or heart attack) --- could easily wipe out the life savings of any of the members here. shadeOgray has more to worry about than just medical supplies for a diabetic --- since diabetics tend to have far more complications in the event of medical emergencies.. I've tried to source medical insurance, for visiting family members from China, but without much luck. As one would expect, by the time your elderly Father & Mother In Law reach about age 70 --- no health insurance is going to cover them --- particularly since they want to stay: (for a minimum) of a month ---- and you are s--t for suggesting a shorter visit... Anyone else here addressed this issue??

Yeah, thats it Randy --- thanks (and stunning...)

Sorry I can't post this --- not a subscriber, (hope someone here with more tech savvy can) ---- You may need to Google it --- but its a must read. Wen Jaibio's family has not amassed millions since 1998 --- but rather, billions... Occurs to me one contrast between the east and west ---- Here in the US, money buys power --- in PRC, power buys money..

Well, antryg, Father (inlaw) was a naval officer in the PLA up to the early 1960's --- an interesting footnote is that he was responsible for the building of the military airport and runway on Hainan island which served as the emergency landing site of an American spy plane after it collided with a Chinese Mig (perhaps a decade ago) creating a major cold war like rift in Sino/US relationships. Father knows full well, that PRC is no where near ready to challenge the US navy any time soon..

Well, Antyg you make a good point, but in addition, in modern times, aircraft carriers don't survive more than a few hours in a state of war without massive defensive support (carrier groups) --- which can repel all foes---- incoming missiles, subs etc.. ---- simply not going to happen for China in at least 20 years --- maybe 40.

".....not so much about Mr. McGovern per se just about the times. Thanks." Exactly, Tsap, exactly... Not so much about the man, but the times --- but he truly was a decent Man as well....

".. I have a beautiful Chinese woman standing in the doorway with a perplexed look on her face, demanding to know when we are going to work.....only a few days left to finish this apartment for the new tenant. Focus your ass slick, get the job done.... " Tsap, I don't have any answers.. As a life long DEM --- I always vote, (mostly party line) now, I'm not so sure...

"..Also I haven't heard much about Mo Yan, the Chinese writer, who just won the Noble Peace prize for Literature. It sounded as if the Chinese government was happy about him winning the prize...." Mo is not the first Chinese author to win the Noble Prize (not Peace Prize) for literature. Gao Xingjian also did in the late 1990's. I read his "Soul Mountain" (in translation) and found it difficult at best, since it has a rather quixotic mix of the real (place and time movement) experiences, with almost trance like out of body observations.

"..and those who try to circumvent them, which in this case cannot be done expect through illegal immigration. Thus, it is not the government which attempts this latter but the people. " David, how is this different from PRC?

Nice comments, actually Tsap ~ There is no question that the absolute politically polarized nation of that time --- wasn't in any condition for a civilized discussion of national policy --- VN had everything way too raw --- and I'm actually surprised that Mick (at the time) had, after all he had been through -- enough shit together to actually work on McGovern's campaign. Just too bad that the posters on this thread weren't the sum total of the: ELECTORAL COLLEGE ! history would be quite different...

He, like many in the Greatest Generation, flew missions that seemed impossible to survive, as the pilot of a B-24, the supposedly 'nimble' bomber that couldn't reach the altitudes of (relative safety) of say, the B-17. But survive he did, bringing his crew back from successful missions, intact. His heroism earned him the Distinguished Flying Cross. And while many in America thought of him as a Communist appeaser --- and a coward, He was the first man to earn my vote for President of the United States -- in 1972. Farewell, George McGovern, and God Speed....

Roebel, a lot of people are on your side here, that isn't always the case, so we think you are sincere, but your case, is, at best very close if you (she) goes to interview. Until just recently, (as I recall) her family wasn't mentioned, yet, that is one of the most important parts of the visa process --- your acceptance into her family. Since she comes from a broken home, and apparently, her mother (and her mother's side of the family) are the important extended family for her --- the obvious question: How much time have you spent with them? Its one thing to say --" ok" --- its another thing to bring you into the fold ---- regardless of the actual visa type, (and given your other negatives) DOS is going to want to see that you are very much the dutiful son to be --- or son-in-law. IMHO.

Roebel, regarding the question, is it possible to back out, and start over, that's a question better addressed by Dan or David, who are far more informed. Not sure of the consequences, but come to think of it, I don't remember a case here where the prospect of withdrawal, and later filing (not forced by DOS) has been discussed. You got very good advice in suggesting that marriage in China would be a fall back option, in the event of a denial and some of the most heart felt stories here at the Candle are of those who were forced into that situation ('Going Home' by Tsap is full of insights, information, and pain..) Obviously, this would mean you need to follow her to China, and the marriage is not enough in itself, you still would need to make it real (and document it every step of the way, over an extended period of time in China).

Age here with the other considerations could be a problem. My opinion, (from here-say mostly) is that a recent divorce, coupled with a much younger Chinese woman is inherently suspect --- the theory being that you are on the rebound, and thus, vulnerable to a visa scam. Coupled with that, is your limited contact with her in China. Personally, if I were in your position, I'd put it off until you can spend more time with her in China, and build a better case for a committed relationship. ----Her good English is very much on the plus side. Still, if I were you, I'd spend more time in China to build a better case --- and yes, my wife is substantially younger than I am... Remember, its the long experience here at the Candle, that some Consulate rejections, are never overcome.

Seems complicated, but 'strapped in" and under control... least, hope so!

On the one hand, its an outrage --- on another --- logic (if there is any at DOS) suggests that this advances the cause of unencumbered travel between the US and PRC. China has, since I've been going over, met unreasonable US visa demands (and additional expenses) ---- in kind, and almost immediately. Would be great to see the trend go the other way.

Wow ~ ! Carl, "one step for man... ' you really are doing great prototype work here ! ---- Kim

Wow, you guys start early, end late ~! (spring to summer) We are beginning to change, fer sure, and thats even with an Indian summer... We have transplant sweet gums here, (no where near native..) They change, but do so on their own due time, usually late. Haven't seen any with color yet, look forward to it, since they can have three or four colors --- on the same tree! One thing you can't do --- and I found this out in the early 1970's --- when I was living off campus in the woods of southern MD ... you can't split sweet gum for firewood ---too much sinew.

Thanks Dan, and a Second to that ~ !

Can't exactly understand why your handle is "Lucky" if you believe you're at or near ground zero of a PLA nuclear missile first strike... Seems unlikely to me, that they would tinker around with Florida (at the very limits of their range) when to prove a point, they could just as easily target Hawaii. (and I'm telling you that, "Lucky" because, as the crow flies, the Pacific NW --- where I live --- is one of the closest points geographically to mainland China, and I'm hopin' theys goin' over look that fact..

Heres an (obvious) comparison: Hockey puck/Moon cake --- EQUIVALENT: Christmas fruit Cake ... Given that, Portland Chinese Baptist Church is interviewing a new pastor this week --- interested to see his responses to traditional Chinese holiday celebrations..

"...can the ones that are corrupt just stop or is it like the old days here in America of Al Capones time you just don't quit and get out...." -- Good point Larry, what happens after the new leadership is in power is the: 'proof in the pudding", I guess... Xi jingping (if as expected, he's the new leader) will determine the outcome, to the extent that he's allowed to--- within the Central Committee