Li & John Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 In a country where one race think they are more prestigious than the others, the government doesnt have a right to bash other countries about human rights. I think most of the members know exactly what I am talking about after their SO experience all the hardship of going through all the visa process, applying for jobs..... Yeah, yeah... white power... yawn.. You find what you look for. to deny racism to chinese in usa is the same as denying you breath air I must breathe water then. Are there racist individuals? Of course there are. Just as there are everywhere. But John's post carried an implication that it was institutionalized and/or epidemic in that it made our country hypocritical to "bash" other countries on human rights (which was off topic and out of left field anyway). That I wholeheartedly deny, and I am sorry if your experience has been a negative one with regards to racism, there is no excusing it. But I hold a firm belief that the majority of Americans will judge you by your actions and personality before they judge you by your race. Dont always pick on a country just because it has a different system than yours. It is very immature. Link to comment
georgeandli Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Apples and oranges. "Basic" human rights can occur under many different systems. However people get there isn't issue, it's that they GET there. Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Sorry if we fail your English lesson . . . Just shining the light of linguistic truth into the darkness of emotional misinterpretation pard'ner. It wasn't my quote being questioned anyway. I saw no reason to pick on a poor little word though. I meant hers not yours - I just thought it ironic that we would be held to the meaning of the word "enjoy" chosen by a Chinese. I realized that as soon as I posted and stood up from my desk lol but t'was too late. Open mouth, insert foot... hahaha sorry... I keep doing that to you. Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 In a country where one race think they are more prestigious than the others, the government doesnt have a right to bash other countries about human rights. I think most of the members know exactly what I am talking about after their SO experience all the hardship of going through all the visa process, applying for jobs..... Yeah, yeah... white power... yawn.. You find what you look for. to deny racism to chinese in usa is the same as denying you breath air I must breathe water then. Are there racist individuals? Of course there are. Just as there are everywhere. But John's post carried an implication that it was institutionalized and/or epidemic in that it made our country hypocritical to "bash" other countries on human rights (which was off topic and out of left field anyway). That I wholeheartedly deny, and I am sorry if your experience has been a negative one with regards to racism, there is no excusing it. But I hold a firm belief that the majority of Americans will judge you by your actions and personality before they judge you by your race. Dont always pick on a country just because it has a different system than yours. It is very immature. I don't think I picked on anyone. Besides... lil' ol me can pick on a country of 1.2 billion? Even I'm not that egomaniacal. Just opinions tis all... in this thread it was a Chinese treastie on Democracy anyway... were they picking on themselves? Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Apples and oranges. "Basic" human rights can occur under many different systems. However people get there isn't issue, it's that they GET there. Like I said, depends on how you define basic. You put it in quotes yourself, so you must at least partially agree. Link to comment
Li & John Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 If America is a country with freedom of speech, how come we dont have freedom of speech in CFL? A lot of our SOs consider CFL as a window through which they see and understand America. Link to comment
georgeandli Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Not only do I agree, but what's going to happen when people want more? Link to comment
Li & John Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 In a country where one race think they are more prestigious than the others, the government doesnt have a right to bash other countries about human rights. I think most of the members know exactly what I am talking about after their SO experience all the hardship of going through all the visa process, applying for jobs..... Yeah, yeah... white power... yawn.. You find what you look for. to deny racism to chinese in usa is the same as denying you breath air I must breathe water then. Are there racist individuals? Of course there are. Just as there are everywhere. But John's post carried an implication that it was institutionalized and/or epidemic in that it made our country hypocritical to "bash" other countries on human rights (which was off topic and out of left field anyway). That I wholeheartedly deny, and I am sorry if your experience has been a negative one with regards to racism, there is no excusing it. But I hold a firm belief that the majority of Americans will judge you by your actions and personality before they judge you by your race. Dont always pick on a country just because it has a different system than yours. It is very immature. I don't think I picked on anyone. Besides... lil' ol me can pick on a country of 1.2 billion? Even I'm not that egomaniacal. Just opinions tis all... in this thread it was a Chinese treastie on Democracy anyway... were they picking on themselves? Then leave the Chinese alone. Dont get involved. Link to comment
david_dawei Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 certainly an interesting read so far... and comments here and there I agree with... Jason has some truth in the 'rose colored' glass syndrome; see too much positive and an inability to see the extent of negative issues that do exist for natives (which they easily see/feel/live). The problem is the flip side; the inability to see the extent of other positive issues that do exist for the natives and makes the picture whole and life just as meaningful/enjoyable. If western democracy can be shown to have problems, then eastern forms of government can be shown to have promise/benefit... But we prefer to harp on what the former has and where the latter lacks alone. that tends to setup an innunedoish superior/inferior comparison. But I agree with GZBill that much of the topic is laughable... and NO, it's not about any disrespect toward natives who wish for some wholesale change to their political system as it impacts their lives; it's about seeing beyond the tip of one's nose. It's looking to the REAL prospect of that kind of wholesale to occur and whether it's based in reality (both historical and social). It may be our human weakness to expect anything to happen quickly. We seem to think that change must happen not just in this decade but at least in our lifetime. I can only ask, why is this so necesssary? I would say this is mostly grafted from our lack of any substantial history to draw on. As Jin has repeated many times in different posts, China has a very long history (possibly the longest civilization ever to exist); this forms their idea of how society changes; and the US is one of the last countries in the world to ever be capable of comprehending it from a longevity (and extremely populous) point of view. That China has changed throughout history, including a few times in the last 100 years. But that change is based on some fundamental historical guides. That any change will occur with emphasis on the people (Social Harmony) and their economy (Financial Stability) will occur in a way the west may not completely understand nor which would work for another country. but how many countries have had to work with a history which has evolved to landmass over 1 billion people? China may end up with some form of democracy which the world has never seen before... and it might not come for another few hundred years. I don't see any problem with that. Link to comment
georgeandli Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 One step at a time. Link to comment
Li & John Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) Well said. This kind of argument has been going on CFL over and over again. It will all come to a point where everyone wants to show the others a little real color. Topics like that shouldnt have arosed any interest from the mature adults like us. Second, if I were the president of China, I would guarantee every one the kind of freedom they ask for. But What would that do to a country of 1.2 billion? Would that freedom turn into valuables in the short/long run? Is it the freedom that makes America the No1 power in the world? If so, then what's now? We are in the worse recession in history, is it because we take the freedom away from people? Questions like that should be discussed, which may have some value to China. As far as I know, China does block something from other countries. But if they are junks, I dont see why not. Edited January 10, 2009 by Li & John (see edit history) Link to comment
rogerluli Posted January 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 As far as I know, China does block something from other countries. Experience the joy of surfing the web just as it is in the PRC... 60,000 internet watchdogs are watching YOU and working tirelessly to protect you from yourself... http://chinachannel.hk/ Link to comment
david_dawei Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 As far as I know, China does block something from other countries. Experience the joy of surfing the web just as it is in the PRC... 60,000 internet watchdogs are watching YOU and working tirelessly to protect you from yourself... http://chinachannel.hk/and we have US companies like Cisco, Microsoft and Yahoo more than happy to assist them in both infrastructure and monitoring. BTW: In the almost cumulative 8 months I've been in China, I can't recall really having that much of an issue in web restriction... I usually bring my work... and I still have time to go to all the porn, free movies and chatrooms I attend Link to comment
GZBILL Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 How democratic is the Electoral College? The only reason it exists is to allow smaller, less urbanized / industrialized states to have significant influence in the electoral process. I can't imagine where you learned this...When the Electoral College was developed America was a VERY agrarian society in every state... You need to get a refund on your Civics 101 tuition. Even back in 1776 some states were more industrialized, populated and better educated than others. Link to comment
GZBILL Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 What I find most disturbing here has nothing to do with what is going on in China... It is simply that some members are dismissive of the freedoms and rights they enjoy as Americans... Why don't you do something intelligent and reasonable for a change and list these freedoms and rights that we enjoy? Why not make an Us. versus Them list to post here? Link to comment
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