Jeikun Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28157293/ AP - updated 6:56 a.m. PT, Wed., Dec. 10, 2008 BEIJING - Two dozen people protested outside China's Foreign Ministry in downtown Beijing on Wednesday, using the 60th anniversary of the U.N.'s Universal Declaration of Human Rights to decry a myriad of alleged government abuses. Link to comment
Jeikun Posted December 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I have to say this is my favorite part: But on Monday, the Beijing News newspaper published an investigative report that said provincial officials in a city in eastern Shandong province committed petitioners complaining about local corruption or land seizures to mental hospitals. If you're not happy in Shandong you must be crazy lol. Link to comment
rogerluli Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I have to say this is my favorite part: But on Monday, the Beijing News newspaper published an investigative report that said provincial officials in a city in eastern Shandong province committed petitioners complaining about local corruption or land seizures to mental hospitals. If you're not happy in Shandong you must be crazy lol. I read about this too Jason but I can't report it... Be happy that you can... Link to comment
rogerluli Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Here's a BBC report on this set of incidents... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7775662.stm Makes you very happy to live in a free society such as the USA... Link to comment
GZBILL Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Here's a BBC report on this set of incidents... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7775662.stm Makes you very happy to live in a free society such as the USA... You're not from Illinois, right? Link to comment
rogerluli Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Here's a BBC report on this set of incidents... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7775662.stm Makes you very happy to live in a free society such as the USA... You're not from Illinois, right? No Bill... Actually I'm from CHICAGO... Link to comment
IllinoisDave Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Here's a BBC report on this set of incidents... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7775662.stm Makes you very happy to live in a free society such as the USA... You're not from Illinois, right?What's that supposed to mean? Link to comment
Yuanyang Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 I have to say this is my favorite part: But on Monday, the Beijing News newspaper published an investigative report that said provincial officials in a city in eastern Shandong province committed petitioners complaining about local corruption or land seizures to mental hospitals. If you're not happy in Shandong you must be crazy lol. That's what the old Soviets use to do. Even Stalin's daughter was in the nut house for criticizing Moscow's policies. Link to comment
david_dawei Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 How many marches on Washington DC do we have... everybody wants to demand some rights We seem to forget the common denominator in all this; where the power in society rests; ultimately with the government. Link to comment
Dan R Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 How many marches on Washington DC do we have... everybody wants to demand some rights We seem to forget the common denominator in all this; where the power in society rests; ultimately with the government. We seem to glory in rights that need constant protection. Only our vigilance protects these rights, not the government. I was on Nixon's black list in the 70's.My father (a government worker) was ordered kidnapped for disposal by a Senator (no longer living) another Senator (a family friend) got his release. We live on the edge of a free society and can teeter either way. A free press can be as deceptive as a government controlled press and harder to recognize. Link to comment
rogerluli Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 How many marches on Washington DC do we have... everybody wants to demand some rights We seem to forget the common denominator in all this; where the power in society rests; ultimately with the government. We seem to glory in rights that need constant protection. Only our vigilance protects these rights, not the government. I was on Nixon's black list in the 70's.My father (a government worker) was ordered kidnapped for disposal by a Senator (no longer living) another Senator (a family friend) got his release. We live on the edge of a free society and can teeter either way. A free press can be as deceptive as a government controlled press and harder to recognize. "Give up demands for democracy and free speech and we'll make you rich"...This implicit agreement between the government and the governed in China is what is now keeping their leaders awake at night... With projected growth for 2009 now down to 7.5 % or even lower there is no shortage of very unhappy people...factory workers by the 100,000's are just the cutting edge...newly graduated students...taxi drivers and even police are starting to make their grievances known...Will China come apart at the seams over this economic downturn remains to be seen... http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...0,2413482.story And David I could not disagree more strongly with your assertion... it is too passive for me...and I hope most others...Dan and I were both involved in a protest movement that brought down a sitting president and reversed ouir foreign policy...It is a precious right that is always inherent in the rights of the governed...In China it has been denied for a very long time but it is being reawakened with these economic hard times... The power in any society rests ultimately with the people..."of the people, by the people, and for the people."... Link to comment
georgeandli Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 You're right, rogerluli. But only to the extent that the people must VOTE. 30% isn't enough. An informed and participating population is the key. I don't know if the American way would [or should] work in China. Link to comment
rogerluli Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 You're right, rogerluli. But only to the extent that the people must VOTE. 30% isn't enough. An informed and participating population is the key. I don't know if the American way would [or should] work in China. Of course there are differences in the cultures of American and China... But it is my belief that every person wants a say in how they are governed...every person would very much like to enjoy the rights that Americans have to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... to free speech and assembly, etc, etc... these are not American rights but basic rights of any people... Link to comment
Yuanyang Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 I always find it interesting that we are so adamant about 'right's and 'individualism'. Yet, we have numerous laws controlling the behavior of adults from what we put into our body to who we can call a spouse. There are groups of people just worried sick over what you may or may not be doing in the privacy of your own home. To speak out in favor of any makes you subject to be chastised as doper, queer or just weird. Link to comment
GZBILL Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 You're right, rogerluli. But only to the extent that the people must VOTE. 30% isn't enough. An informed and participating population is the key. I don't know if the American way would [or should] work in China. ... for now. Maybe at some point in the future, but certainly not now. Link to comment
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