"Evolution of Relationship" letter

[steveandrong]

Our interview is coming up next month. When we filed our application last year, i wrote an "Evolution of Relationship" letter at that time with our intent to marry and submitted with the application. I have written an updated version of this letter and would like to get it to GUZ so they can read it before the interview. What is the best way to do this? Should i FedEx or DHL this to them? Or should I fax it? Will they even read this letter if i send to them?

Welcoming your input and opinions on this.

 

Thanks....Steve

[N&J]

Just fedex it to your SO

 

She will have it just in case. I had it notarized and hand written.

 

they never asked for it. I guess it just depends.....

[steveandrong]

Just fedex it to your SO

 

She will have it just in case. I had it notarized and hand written.

 

they never asked for it. I guess it just depends.....

 

Is just i wanted them to read this before the interview....wanted this letter to be in the case file so perhaps the VO can read it before the interview.

[david_dawei]

I can only think of a few ways to "slip" it into the case:

 

1. Bring it to the medical and ask them to include it in the envelope; They may well refuse.

2. Mail it to the consulate. You'll probably never know if they put it in there or not.

3. At the morning check-in, prior to see the VO at the window, ask that the letter be included into the case; They may well refuse saying it's unnecessary.

 

Only other attempt is to offer it to the VO at the interview; most of the time they don't take it since they want to ask the questions...

 

If you pursue some course, would be interesting to hear any outcome.

[gunsmokebob]

I am in the process of writing this same letter. Our papers are sitting in "CLEARANCE DELAY" at DHL now. I considered sending this letter to my wife and have her include it with the P3 packet when she returns it. My thinking was that the VO would see it before the interview. Has anyone done this? Any thoughts?

[jim_julian]

Bob ... that should get it in the file ... Lord only knows what they really read.

[Randy W]

Bob ... that should get it in the file ... Lord only knows what they really read.

 

 

USCONGUZ has stated that the VO for a particular would not even SEE the file until right before the interview).

[david_dawei]

Bob ... that should get it in the file ... Lord only knows what they really read.

 

 

USCONGUZ has stated that the VO for a particular would not even SEE the file until right before the interview).

I would agree, but there are others who might review it and make notes(?)

[carl.hops]

Bob ... that should get it in the file ... Lord only knows what they really read.

 

 

USCONGUZ has stated that the VO for a particular would not even SEE the file until right before the interview).

 

That would debunk the assumption that our case is already pre-determined before the interview wouldn't it?

[georgeandli]

Not debunk at all. GUZ says VO doesn't see the file before hand, they don't say no one else has. I know for a fact [i saw, I was there] our file was gone through before.

[tsap seui]

Not debunk at all. GUZ says VO doesn't see the file before hand, they don't say no one else has. I know for a fact [i saw, I was there] our file was gone through before.

 

When you've got women asked 1...2...or 3 simple questions and getting visas you can damn well understand "someone" has been through the file. How quickly they looked, and by who (Chinese consulate workers or an american DOS flunky) is the question.

 

My advice on evo of relationship letters is to hand it over with her passport (and hopefully your passport) but, alas, my passport and evo letter with it's consulate seal were handed right back....UNSEEN....and my fiancee correctly answered 31 questions so she could be awarded(sic) a blue slip.

 

Sometimes they DO read an evo letter when it is handed over with the passport(s). Don't let our experience slow ya down.

 

Cover every base you possibly can, then cross yer fingers and hope for "good luck". The SINGLE most important aspect at the interview.

 

tsap seui

[Guest Mike and Lily]

Not debunk at all. GUZ says VO doesn't see the file before hand, they don't say no one else has. I know for a fact [i saw, I was there] our file was gone through before.

 

My best guess is that although the VO may not see the file in advance, someone goes through it and makes notes. I would guess many of the questions asked and the ultimate decision may be based at least in part on those notes.

[rogerinca]

As I have opined before over the past two years, this is a cumulative review and evaluation process.

 

IMO, it starts from the moment the file hits the Service Center and is first reviewed for content; are all the forms included, are they all signed, is the check attached etc.

 

Then at the USCIS level the first very important NCIC and IMBRA related checks are completed, other immigration data bases are queried and public records files cross checked to ensure the information in the case file matches the official record, e.g. previous marriages and divorces etc. Minor correctable issues that are found will be RFE’d at the stage. The file is assessed, boxes are checked, notes to the file made, indicators of visa fraud are initially developed here at this stage.

 

The file then moves on to the NVC where other federal checks are completed such as name checking in the FBI data base and I have always felt, the IRS data base is most likely assessed here, or possibly as early as the service center phase. Most likely the DHHS data base and is also queried here for child support arrears issues.

 

The (profiled) file then moves on to the Consulate, where specialist staff within the Consulate, other than the actual VO’s, review the previous findings/recommendations of the service center and the NVC. Included in this is an updated NCIC report, to catch late reported local law enforcement agency IMBRA related issues as well as their local data base for beneficiary name checking, e.g., has he/she been through this before and it has not been reported in the case file. The consulate also has data bases and checks/assessments to make involving sensitive employment issues as well as membership in the CCP.

 

On interview day, Consulate staff will quickly review the just submitted police report and the medical file results, and supply the summary of this information to the VO, who already now has the case file data in hand, just prior to the interview.

 

The VO may or may not review the entire case file, they may skim through it and or they most likely rely on the overall summary data of the collective assessment of all the reviewers with any red flags up the pole as well as any green flags encountered. They may or may not even have the time to look at photos in the file, most likely the photos have already previously been a strong component of the basis for the initial profiling and overall assessment as to the bona fides of the relationship. The job of the VO also to ensure that the person before him is the same individual that is the subject of the petition (in person visual and ID check).

 

I have bit my tongue on this the past two years, until I had cleared the interview portion of the process myself; however, I now am 100% convinced of the following:

 

In [most] cases, the determination the bona fides (pink/blue findings) has already been made prior to the beneficiary ever coming to the interview window. Moreover, the VO is just the messenger and it doesn’t matter what VO you get, they adhere to the info supplied to them by their support staff and the collective assessment of the previous review agencies.

 

This does not mean, however, that those cases which are red-flagged, i.e., will receive a blue or white slip, are assigned daily to a particular VO, and those with positive outcomes are assigned to other VO’s.

 

I base my conclusions on a lot of reading of the post interview results here for over two years, both as a member and before, also reading outside of CFL; as well as my own career experience in conducting, assessing/reviewing, traditional law enforcement case files and investigations, both internal (personnel related) to my agency, as well as the many external (public investigation) cases.

 

Again, this is in most cases. There are those cases, which due to conflicting information and/or sketchy information, may have the VO clarifying information and data, at the window, prior to the final determination being made as to blue or pink. Therein, in this instance he/she would make the final determination as to the bona fides of the relationship and/or the information supplied.

 

I also know, based on documents returned to me in GZ and my personal observation of the contents of the sealed brown envelope, opened at the POE, that the original I-129F case file, stays together for the most part, right up to the end of the process. All that was missing from my file, was the front or top press board cover of the file. All the contents less the photos and orig doc's returned to me with the visas in GZ, were in the POE officer's hand as he flipped through it at LAX, including my bottom press board top hinged, top hole punched, folder cover, with the now not so shiny, Acco clip still attached.

 

Later, I will make another post regarding the contents of my I-129F and I-130 files, and also why I thought it was so important to front load the file, vs. what was strongly opined by some members earlier in the past two years, as to how much to give 'them'; i.e. "don't give em sh.. !!!" I always felt that was the wrong approach if you had nothing to fear.

Edited June 13, 2008 by rogerinca (see edit history)

[georgeandli]

rogerinca and bro tsap seui, I only speak from MY experience with GUZ. I wasn't with Lao Po when she made her 4 trips there before I was there for the last one. The files are gone over beforehand. What "they" are looking for changes like the wind. I truly hope the best for all that file. The point I am trying to make is this isn't like getting a fishing license. It is a crap shoot. You can have all the paperwork in order and get someone on an off day... BLUE.

[tsap seui]

rogerinca and bro tsap seui, I only speak from MY experience with GUZ. I wasn't with Lao Po when she made her 4 trips there before I was there for the last one. The files are gone over beforehand. What "they" are looking for changes like the wind. I truly hope the best for all that file. The point I am trying to make is this isn't like getting a fishing license. It is a crap shoot. You can have all the paperwork in order and get someone on an off day... BLUE.

 

George, you have a clear view of the process.

 

"Crap shoot" with TONS OF LUCK attached.

 

We wer efront loaded to the max when I sent that I-129F in. Had an attached evo of relationship, the whole works.

 

My evo of relationship for the interview was only an updated one and not that large as they already had a large one.

 

It ain't so much the paperwork as it is the LUCK!!!!

 

Good LUCK to everyone for what you seek, or for which way your path turns.

 

Then again....maybe I was the lucky one Time will tell.

 

tsap seui

 

Have white slip

Will travel