IllinoisDave Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I had quite the time in Beijing just getting my e-mail!! B) Been there, done that. B) The funny thing Dave, my two trips to Shenzhen in January and June of 2007 it did not seem as bad?? Yeah, when we stayed in Shenzhen during the interview process we had no trouble. Beijing was kinda hit or miss though. Strange for sure, if you look at some of my P-3 posts, feng already knows the path to GZU!! 2 hour train ride four times already?? Yeah, we did three bus rides back and forth between SZN and GUZ for medical/interview/pickup. Don't mind if I never see that highway again. Link to comment
Guest Tony Terrific Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 (edited) Gosh, it's awfully big of you guys to happily toss away another of the average Chinese citizen's rights like that. I'm sure they appreciate it. I don't care to look at porn when I'm in China and while it may be no skin off your nose that you can't see it either, I'm sure at least some of the 1.3 billion citizens there may prefer to maintain that right. What other kinds of things that YOU don't care for would you like to see the Chinese gov't take away?Yes we should promote this type of behavior. Why don't we let our children subscribe to Hustler or some cable TV sex channel that shows beastiality? Let us show our future that the unglorius Sodomites are wonderful people and same sex marriage is a blessing. That would be Jolly good fun wouldn't? Pornography is for the social malcontented introverts that love to promote their thumb and 4 fingers and beleive in fantasy lovers. You say you do not watch Porn in China? What do you do you wait until you get home and watch it so your forearms look like Popeye's? Edited January 24, 2008 by Tony Terrific (see edit history) Link to comment
Shenzhen K-1 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I had quite the time in Beijing just getting my e-mail!! B) Been there, done that. B) The funny thing Dave, my two trips to Shenzhen in January and June of 2007 it did not seem as bad?? Yeah, when we stayed in Shenzhen during the interview process we had no trouble. Beijing was kinda hit or miss though. Strange for sure, if you look at some of my P-3 posts, feng already knows the path to GZU!! 2 hour train ride four times already?? Yeah, we did three bus rides back and forth between SZN and GUZ for medical/interview/pickup. Don't mind if I never see that highway again. Feng took the train!!!!!!!!!!! Come on Dave, bus with TV, tea and water, snacks, and the Chinese paper! What a ride!! Link to comment
IllinoisDave Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Gosh, it's awfully big of you guys to happily toss away another of the average Chinese citizen's rights like that. I'm sure they appreciate it. I don't care to look at porn when I'm in China and while it may be no skin off your nose that you can't see it either, I'm sure at least some of the 1.3 billion citizens there may prefer to maintain that right. What other kinds of things that YOU don't care for would you like to see the Chinese gov't take away?Yes we should promote this type of behavior. Why don't we let our children subscribe to Hustler or some cable TV sex channel that shows beastiality? Let us show our future that the unglorius Sodomites are wonderful people and same sex marriage is a blessing. That would be Jolly good fun wouldn't? Pornography is for the social malcontented introverts that love to promote their thumb and 4 fingers and beleive in fantasy lovers. You say you do not watch Porn in China? What do you do you wait until you get home and watch it so your forearms look like Popeye's? Thank you Jerry Falwell. Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Gosh, it's awfully big of you guys to happily toss away another of the average Chinese citizen's rights like that. I'm sure they appreciate it. I don't care to look at porn when I'm in China and while it may be no skin off your nose that you can't see it either, I'm sure at least some of the 1.3 billion citizens there may prefer to maintain that right. What other kinds of things that YOU don't care for would you like to see the Chinese gov't take away?Yes we should promote this type of behavior. Why don't we let our children subscribe to Hustler or some cable TV sex channel that shows beastiality? Let us show our future that the unglorius Sodomites are wonderful people and same sex marriage is a blessing. That would be Jolly good fun wouldn't? Pornography is for the social malcontented introverts that love to promote their a thumb and 4 fingers and beleive in fantasy lovers. You say you do not watch Porn in China? What do you do you wait until you get home and watch it so your forearms look like Popeye's? It's not about them blocking porno, Tony. It's about them blocking what they want, when they want, why they want. They also block amnesty international, personal webspace providers, etc... read what we allow = think what we allow... get it? And to continue with your statement about porn as example. You believe to not indulge in pornography is virtuous, correct? So what makes the virtue? I would say having the CHOICE and choosing the virtuous manner. You remove the choice, you remove any virtue achieved by choosing not to watch it, yes? Perhaps they should illegalize vulgar language? sweets? fatty foods? Just because it's bad for you (in certain opinions) doesn't mean it is right to illegalize it. I think it's all about face. They don't want foreigners to see Chinese porn around olympics time. That's some Chinese logic... it's ok for something to be rotten to the core as long as it's shiny on the outside. Link to comment
Shenzhen K-1 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Gosh, it's awfully big of you guys to happily toss away another of the average Chinese citizen's rights like that. I'm sure they appreciate it. I don't care to look at porn when I'm in China and while it may be no skin off your nose that you can't see it either, I'm sure at least some of the 1.3 billion citizens there may prefer to maintain that right. What other kinds of things that YOU don't care for would you like to see the Chinese gov't take away?Yes we should promote this type of behavior. Why don't we let our children subscribe to Hustler or some cable TV sex channel that shows beastiality? Let us show our future that the unglorius Sodomites are wonderful people and same sex marriage is a blessing. That would be Jolly good fun wouldn't? Pornography is for the social malcontented introverts that love to promote their a thumb and 4 fingers and beleive in fantasy lovers. You say you do not watch Porn in China? What do you do you wait until you get home and watch it so your forearms look like Popeye's? It's not about them blocking porno, Tony. It's about them blocking what they want, when they want, why they want. They also block amnesty international, personal webspace providers, etc... read what we allow = think what we allow... get it? And to continue with your statement about porn as example. You believe to not indulge in pornography is virtuous, correct? So what makes the virtue? I would say having the CHOICE and choosing the virtuous manner. You remove the choice, you remove any virtue achieved by choosing not to watch it, yes? Perhaps they should illegalize vulgar language? sweets? fatty foods? Just because it's bad for you (in certain opinions) doesn't mean it is right to illegalize it. I think it's all about face. They don't want foreigners to see Chinese porn around olympics time. That's some Chinese logic... it's ok for something to be rotten to the core as long as it's shiny on the outside. The porn choice is just what we see or hear about!! When in Beijing in early October they had built walls to cover up the very poor and run down neighborhoods! They do not want the "guests" to see anything but the good side of China!! Link to comment
Guest Tony n Terrific Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Gosh, it's awfully big of you guys to happily toss away another of the average Chinese citizen's rights like that. I'm sure they appreciate it. I don't care to look at porn when I'm in China and while it may be no skin off your nose that you can't see it either, I'm sure at least some of the 1.3 billion citizens there may prefer to maintain that right. What other kinds of things that YOU don't care for would you like to see the Chinese gov't take away?Yes we should promote this type of behavior. Why don't we let our children subscribe to Hustler or some cable TV sex channel that shows beastiality? Let us show our future that the unglorius Sodomites are wonderful people and same sex marriage is a blessing. That would be Jolly good fun wouldn't? Pornography is for the social malcontented introverts that love to promote their thumb and 4 fingers and beleive in fantasy lovers. You say you do not watch Porn in China? What do you do you wait until you get home and watch it so your forearms look like Popeye's? Thank you Jerry Falwell. Dear Illinois Dave,I read a a number or your posts the last few days and I have found many of them very intelligent and enlightning. You are a very sharp man. My question to you is why do you wish to start uproar with your fellow CFL members with you remarks of negativity? You can not win nor can they in this pissing contest. The best thing to do is for all of us is not to play the game. Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Gosh, it's awfully big of you guys to happily toss away another of the average Chinese citizen's rights like that. I'm sure they appreciate it. I don't care to look at porn when I'm in China and while it may be no skin off your nose that you can't see it either, I'm sure at least some of the 1.3 billion citizens there may prefer to maintain that right. What other kinds of things that YOU don't care for would you like to see the Chinese gov't take away?Yes we should promote this type of behavior. Why don't we let our children subscribe to Hustler or some cable TV sex channel that shows beastiality? Let us show our future that the unglorius Sodomites are wonderful people and same sex marriage is a blessing. That would be Jolly good fun wouldn't? Pornography is for the social malcontented introverts that love to promote their a thumb and 4 fingers and beleive in fantasy lovers. You say you do not watch Porn in China? What do you do you wait until you get home and watch it so your forearms look like Popeye's? It's not about them blocking porno, Tony. It's about them blocking what they want, when they want, why they want. They also block amnesty international, personal webspace providers, etc... read what we allow = think what we allow... get it? And to continue with your statement about porn as example. You believe to not indulge in pornography is virtuous, correct? So what makes the virtue? I would say having the CHOICE and choosing the virtuous manner. You remove the choice, you remove any virtue achieved by choosing not to watch it, yes? Perhaps they should illegalize vulgar language? sweets? fatty foods? Just because it's bad for you (in certain opinions) doesn't mean it is right to illegalize it. I think it's all about face. They don't want foreigners to see Chinese porn around olympics time. That's some Chinese logic... it's ok for something to be rotten to the core as long as it's shiny on the outside. The porn choice is just what we see or hear about!! When in Beijing in early October they had built walls to cover up the very poor and run down neighborhoods! They do not want the "guests" to see anything but the good side of China!! B) They did that for a big National anniversary parade some years back also... only they actually put up facades with fake buildings etc to cover the rundown parts for the televised parade. Link to comment
Cerberus Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Gosh, it's awfully big of you guys to happily toss away another of the average Chinese citizen's rights like that. I'm sure they appreciate it. B) I don't care to look at porn when I'm in China and while it may be no skin off your nose that you can't see it either, I'm sure at least some of the 1.3 billion citizens there may prefer to maintain that right. What other kinds of things that YOU don't care for would you like to see the Chinese gov't take away?IllinoisDave and CFL et al, I hear much ado about the proverbial fallacy of the "slippery slope!" Ergo, shutting down porno sites in China will shut down, God forbid, the average Chinese citizen's right to "free speech!" and is censored! Please! Do I care if porno sites are shut down? Not in the least! Do I care if other free speech sites are shut down in this aftermath? Sure I do! However, who really cares the free speech sites will find another route and the porno sites will attempt to find a new outlet! Welcome to the real world! Might I ask readers (specifically MEN!) a question? I have heard from the men. Where are the women on this subject? I attempted to take a small stab a humor, with a previous posting. Let us see how many real MEN there are! I ran this particular subject past my wife and she spent 2.5 minutes laughing at your "free speech" argument that you had for porno sites! She was happy, that such steps were taken! She wonders why the US doesn't do such actions? BTW, Yin ;lost her home due to a CCP "city improvement project" and passionately hates the CCP! However, on this subject she agrees with the CCP and actually heartily endorses it! Let us see one of you try this subject past your wives and/or fianc¨¦es today! I would love immensely to hear their opinions on you watching porn in China, with them so nearby and you are either married or promising to marry them and love them forever. Meanwhile, you are protesting the average "Joe Schmo's" right to their civil rights of the average citizen are being removed, since they can't watch porno because sites were banned in a communist country, that you have little or no control over! Remember, "dwarf-tossing" competitions in Texas and the bug-tussle that was about it? How about a new game? "Husband Tossing!" How many times have I heard all of you talk about cleaning up your PC hard drives, prior to your wives arrival in the US, in between your alluding to your Cheeto cravings? Sorry guys! I hung up my Playboy and Penthouse fantasies at the age of thirteen. You guys are worried about this issue? I think that you have larger worries before this! Yin and I now I prefer to make our own porno fantasies at home, by ourselves! Meanwhile, you boys keep spending your bucks on your cyber-sex porno fantasies, lamenting about the average Chinese man's loss of freedoms, that again you have no control over! Meanwhile, you lament about this atrocity in a US forum, that allows no porno! Good SHOT guys! Meanwhile,....Yin and I have another fantasy to make!...... Excuse me......"I'll be right there Lampo! I just need to put my cape and mask on!" Link to comment
IllinoisDave Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Gosh, it's awfully big of you guys to happily toss away another of the average Chinese citizen's rights like that. I'm sure they appreciate it. I don't care to look at porn when I'm in China and while it may be no skin off your nose that you can't see it either, I'm sure at least some of the 1.3 billion citizens there may prefer to maintain that right. What other kinds of things that YOU don't care for would you like to see the Chinese gov't take away?Yes we should promote this type of behavior. Why don't we let our children subscribe to Hustler or some cable TV sex channel that shows beastiality? Let us show our future that the unglorius Sodomites are wonderful people and same sex marriage is a blessing. That would be Jolly good fun wouldn't? Pornography is for the social malcontented introverts that love to promote their thumb and 4 fingers and beleive in fantasy lovers. You say you do not watch Porn in China? What do you do you wait until you get home and watch it so your forearms look like Popeye's? Thank you Jerry Falwell. Dear Illinois Dave,I read a a number or your posts the last few days and I have found many of them very intelligent and enlightning. You are a very sharp man. My question to you is why do you wish to start uproar with your fellow CFL members with you remarks of negativity? You can not win nor can they in this pissing contest. The best thing to do is for all of us is not to play the game. So why didn't you post this the first time instead of tossing out a post insinuating that my reticence to some members seeming joy at Chinese gov't censorship of the internet was a promotion of children being given Hustler and beastiality on cable tv? Not to mention the not-so-veiled label "social malconted introvert." I'm being negative? As for your "clever" reference to Popeye and the activity you allude to regarding his forearms? 98 percent of men participate in this activity and the other 2 percent lie about it. B) There was no pissing match until you chimed in. I merely pointed out what I saw was the irony in US citizens,especially ones on THIS forum, having no problem with the Chinese government denying to it's citizens the same rights that many citizens here believe shouldn't even be in question. Now you or I may not happen to like what the content is that's being censored/blocked/denied, but should we really be in a position to decide what's acceptable for the citizens of China or any other country when we don't stand for that here? I don't wish to start any uproar with my fellow CFL members Tony. But I do hope to encourage them to look at things from a different perspective occasionally, and I hope they afford me the same opportunity. It's called a free and open discussion. And I don't consider it a game. Best wishes.Dave Link to comment
Cerberus Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Gosh, it's awfully big of you guys to happily toss away another of the average Chinese citizen's rights like that. I'm sure they appreciate it. I don't care to look at porn when I'm in China and while it may be no skin off your nose that you can't see it either, I'm sure at least some of the 1.3 billion citizens there may prefer to maintain that right. What other kinds of things that YOU don't care for would you like to see the Chinese gov't take away?Yes we should promote this type of behavior. Why don't we let our children subscribe to Hustler or some cable TV sex channel that shows beastiality? Let us show our future that the unglorius Sodomites are wonderful people and same sex marriage is a blessing. That would be Jolly good fun wouldn't? Pornography is for the social malcontented introverts that love to promote their thumb and 4 fingers and beleive in fantasy lovers. You say you do not watch Porn in China? What do you do you wait until you get home and watch it so your forearms look like Popeye's? Thank you Jerry Falwell. Dear Illinois Dave,I read a a number or your posts the last few days and I have found many of them very intelligent and enlightning. You are a very sharp man. My question to you is why do you wish to start uproar with your fellow CFL members with you remarks of negativity? You can not win nor can they in this pissing contest. The best thing to do is for all of us is not to play the game. So why didn't you post this the first time instead of tossing out a post insinuating that my reticence to some members seeming joy at Chinese gov't censorship of the internet was a promotion of children being given Hustler and beastiality on cable tv? Not to mention the not-so-veiled label "social malconted introvert." I'm being negative? As for your "clever" reference to Popeye and the activity you allude to regarding his forearms? 98 percent of men participate in this activity and the other 2 percent lie about it. B) There was no pissing match until you chimed in. I merely pointed out what I saw was the irony in US citizens,especially ones on THIS forum, having no problem with the Chinese government denying to it's citizens the same rights that many citizens here believe shouldn't even be in question. Now you or I may not happen to like what the content is that's being censored/blocked/denied, but should we really be in a position to decide what's acceptable for the citizens of China or any other country when we don't stand for that here? I don't wish to start any uproar with my fellow CFL members Tony. But I do hope to encourage them to look at things from a different perspective occasionally, and I hope they afford me the same opportunity. It's called a free and open discussion. And I don't consider it a game. Best wishes.DaveDave Ever hear of the PC term as troll? Dave PS We have to change this trend Dave! One of us is going to get confused! Probably me! Link to comment
Cerberus Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Gosh, it's awfully big of you guys to happily toss away another of the average Chinese citizen's rights like that. I'm sure they appreciate it. I don't care to look at porn when I'm in China and while it may be no skin off your nose that you can't see it either, I'm sure at least some of the 1.3 billion citizens there may prefer to maintain that right. What other kinds of things that YOU don't care for would you like to see the Chinese gov't take away?Yes we should promote this type of behavior. Why don't we let our children subscribe to Hustler or some cable TV sex channel that shows beastiality? Let us show our future that the unglorius Sodomites are wonderful people and same sex marriage is a blessing. That would be Jolly good fun wouldn't? Pornography is for the social malcontented introverts that love to promote their thumb and 4 fingers and beleive in fantasy lovers. You say you do not watch Porn in China? What do you do you wait until you get home and watch it so your forearms look like Popeye's? Thank you Jerry Falwell. Dear Illinois Dave,I read a a number or your posts the last few days and I have found many of them very intelligent and enlightning. You are a very sharp man. My question to you is why do you wish to start uproar with your fellow CFL members with you remarks of negativity? You can not win nor can they in this pissing contest. The best thing to do is for all of us is not to play the game. So why didn't you post this the first time instead of tossing out a post insinuating that my reticence to some members seeming joy at Chinese gov't censorship of the internet was a promotion of children being given Hustler and beastiality on cable tv? Not to mention the not-so-veiled label "social malconted introvert." I'm being negative? As for your "clever" reference to Popeye and the activity you allude to regarding his forearms? 98 percent of men participate in this activity and the other 2 percent lie about it. There was no pissing match until you chimed in. I merely pointed out what I saw was the irony in US citizens,especially ones on THIS forum, having no problem with the Chinese government denying to it's citizens the same rights that many citizens here believe shouldn't even be in question. Now you or I may not happen to like what the content is that's being censored/blocked/denied, but should we really be in a position to decide what's acceptable for the citizens of China or any other country when we don't stand for that here? I don't wish to start any uproar with my fellow CFL members Tony. But I do hope to encourage them to look at things from a different perspective occasionally, and I hope they afford me the same opportunity. It's called a free and open discussion. And I don't consider it a game. Best wishes.DaveDave Ever hear of the PC term as troll? Dave PS We have to change this trend Dave! One of us is going to get confused! Probably me! Tony n Tiger, That is quite a long title! May I call you Dick? Never mind, Dick! This seems me to be an appropriate nom de guerre to a sophisticated intellectual as yourself. Let me be the first to say that I reread the posts in this thread! My word; I¡¯m humbled! Such prose in posing your lucid and concise statement syllogisms and the conclusions that you were able to extract, from such clear and lucid reasoning mental processes, from such an abstract and disorganized thread, with so many dynamic personalities interplaying with other people, with only 20, I repeat twenty of your other posts Damn! I thought I was clever! I could never defeat you, Dick! BTW, Dick. Do the words of TROLL able to penetrate that great haze on intellect? I mean really DICK; I¡¯m impressed with a particular thought-process of yours. I hope you don¡¯t mind if quote you, do you Dick? ¡° Sodomites are wonderful people and same sex marriage is a blessing. That would be Jolly good fun wouldn't?¡± Dick did you hold the nails at the Cross or just act as a ¡°sidewalk supervisor¡± and insure proper placement of the nails? Certain words strike me as being appropriate right now Dick! They are taken from a quote that I read in from Darwin Awards. They are quoted from an anonymous source. ¡°The Tree of Life, prunes itself!¡± Dick, IMHO, you may be standing at the outer reaches of the "Tree of Life!¡± Be careful LPJ! My PM is open to all and there is a red carpet out for all¡¡ Dave Link to comment
IllinoisDave Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 (edited) Dave,I'd like to say more about this post but it's just too damn late and I need to get to bed. I will say one thing though. If this is really true: I hung up my Playboy and Penthouse fantasies at the age of thirteen. You have my sympathies. DaveYou're right, it is confusing. Edited January 24, 2008 by IllinoisDave (see edit history) Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Cerebus, I don't see it as a "slippery slope", fact is mass censorship and suppression of free speech and expression on the web and elsewhere in China happens on a daily basis. Are porno sites getting blocked any skin off of my butt? nope. I only see it as an example of the larger problem. It's not called the great firewall of China for nothing! It is the overall mentality of the Chinese government that we can and will tell you what websites are safe/clean/acceptable that bothers me, regardless of subject matter. I can see the flip side, in that in China pornography is illegal... just as here say child porn or a how-to on building a nuclear bomb is, and our government would strip those sites down as well - so I suppose you could say the internet censorship is just a visable symptom of a larger problem... but we all knew that anyway. China might be open but it isn't "free" as we would define it, except in the sence that you are "free to mind your own damn business". At least it isn;t bad as North Korea where getting web access, or having a TV/Radio that picks up non North Korean broadcasts is a capital offense Link to comment
Cerberus Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Cerebus, I don't see it as a "slippery slope", fact is mass censorship and suppression of free speech and expression on the web and elsewhere in China happens on a daily basis. Are porno sites getting blocked any skin off of my butt? nope. I only see it as an example of the larger problem. It's not called the great firewall of China for nothing! It is the overall mentality of the Chinese government that we can and will tell you what websites are safe/clean/acceptable that bothers me, regardless of subject matter. I can see the flip side, in that in China pornography is illegal... just as here say child porn or a how-to on building a nuclear bomb is, and our government would strip those sites down as well - so I suppose you could say the internet censorship is just a visable symptom of a larger problem... but we all knew that anyway. China might be open but it isn't "free" as we would define it, except in the sence that you are "free to mind your own damn business". At least it isn;t bad as North Korea where getting web access, or having a TV/Radio that picks up non North Korean broadcasts is a capital offense Jason, I fully agree with you in some aspects. When I referred to the slippery slope of pornography, this argument is IMHO a lot of unadulterated crap! Try this argument past your wife and see exactly HOW far you get! As to censorship of other places, I fully agree with you. They shouldn't be restricted. However, China's prosperity, in he future will change this gradually. Remember societal changes are gradual! Not Immediate. To do it another way will cause a disaster for all. China is becoming a major player on the world. The world, its people and prosperity will change. However, it will take time! Remember Korea from 1976 until approx 1981? It was considered backwards and did almost the same type of censorship in a democratic society as China does in a Communist environment! Look at S. Korea today! Censorship; some, but on the whole, very little compared to 1981. China needs to have time to make this same evolutionary change. Compare the China of Mao to Hu today. It is a gradual process that is occurring today and will continue into the future. You can't wave a "magic stick" and they are transformed overnight! Would be nice. However, it doesn't happen in the real world. However, to pornography; care to take my wager and try this line of argument past your wife? NOT a chance! You are level headed! Remember my new game of "husband-tossing!"" LOL! I will wait for even one persons response to this particular dare! I want to see what Joanne or SmilingAsias response is to this thread! I Know! I Know! They will be extremely sympathetic to the cause of pornography! Same as my wife was! LOL Link to comment
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