If wife leaves the country........

[Randy W]

 

Randy:

 

Does the 864 become void when she remarries?

 

If FC's wife has no visible means of supoprt, lives with the wealthy man and does not marry him, then what happens with the 864?

 

 

Nope, it stays in effect - but it seems to me that she would already be well above the poverty line in that case.

 

When circumstances change, you have to go back to court to get the award adjusted (I'm assuming it's like child support in a divorce).

 

It takes some creative lawyering (common law marriage, anyone?) How much is the room and board he is giving her worth? How much in the way of gifts does he give her? What is her income potential?

 

I don't believe that she can refuse to work and get you to pay for it.

Edited January 15, 2007 by Randy W (see edit history)

[fortunecookie]

F Y I

 

My wife does not want to marry this man!!! She is only having sex with him because she sees a good opportunity to milk a lot more money out of him. He has already given her enough money to last her lifetime - but she is very grredy and wants more.

 

I don't think she will marry him. This is why I want to catch them together so she is more or less forced to go with him. Then he will naturally expect her to do what she has said to him that they should marry. I'm trying to trick her into having to marry him. If she marries him - I'm off the hook - but I think she will live with him a short while - rob him blind - then she will flee.

 

I just don't know when the FBI or ICE will get involved. If they never do - I am stuck with supporting her. If they get her - I would hope I will get off the hook.

 

INPUT PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

FC

m-coon

Scott

 

Hell you all know me by now - ha ha

Edited January 15, 2007 by fortunecookie (see edit history)

[warpedbored]

Re-marriage does not release you from your I-864 responsibility. Only if she is deported, goes to China and remains until she is out of status or if she becomes a US citizen are you released from that responsibility. If she remarries she can't adjust status based on her marriage to her new husband. Her only option is to file to remove conditions on her own. She can do so if she can convince the USCIS she is abused. Even this doesn't release you from the I-864 however.

[fortunecookie]

Re-marriage does not release you from your I-864 responsibility. Only if she is deported, goes to China and remains until she is out of status or if she becomes a US citizen are you released from that responsibility. If she remarries she can't adjust status based on her marriage to her new husband. Her only option is to file to remove conditions on her own. She can do so if she can convince the USCIS she is abused. Even this doesn't release you from the I-864 however.

 

 

David told me that the remarriage has proven to work in getting the conditions removed with the new husband???????????????

[Randy W]

Re-marriage does not release you from your I-864 responsibility. Only if she is deported, goes to China and remains until she is out of status or if she becomes a US citizen are you released from that responsibility. If she remarries she can't adjust status based on her marriage to her new husband. Her only option is to file to remove conditions on her own. She can do so if she can convince the USCIS she is abused. Even this doesn't release you from the I-864 however.

 

 

David told me that the remarriage has proven to work in getting the conditions removed with the new husband???????????????

 

 

Yes - in most cases, it puts her over the poverty line.

 

It's still in effect, but you do not have to pay anything.

 

(edit: Sorry, I thought you meant the I-864)

Edited January 15, 2007 by Randy W (see edit history)

[warpedbored]

Re-marriage does not release you from your I-864 responsibility. Only if she is deported, goes to China and remains until she is out of status or if she becomes a US citizen are you released from that responsibility. If she remarries she can't adjust status based on her marriage to her new husband. Her only option is to file to remove conditions on her own. She can do so if she can convince the USCIS she is abused. Even this doesn't release you from the I-864 however.

 

 

David told me that the remarriage has proven to work in getting the conditions removed with the new husband???????????????

They may be lenient in letting her adjust status on her own but she cannot do so based on her marriage to him. It also doesn't release you from The I-864

[SmilingAsia]

If my wife leaves the US to visit family in China - and she is holding a CONDITIONAL green card - when she tries to re-enter the United States, AND IF there are reports which I have sent to both the FBI and ICE that are in her file - what are the chances she will be denied entry into the country??????? Please tell me ANYTHING you know about this situation!!!

I don't think she will be able to reenter US. I was told it took 48 hours to fly from China to the border of US then back to China , and it took a week to fly from China to the border of UK then back to China cuz their Imigration may detain the visa scammer for a few days.

[david_dawei]

Re-marriage does not release you from your I-864 responsibility. Only if she is deported, goes to China and remains until she is out of status or if she becomes a US citizen are you released from that responsibility. If she remarries she can't adjust status based on her marriage to her new husband. Her only option is to file to remove conditions on her own. She can do so if she can convince the USCIS she is abused. Even this doesn't release you from the I-864 however.

 

 

David told me that the remarriage has proven to work in getting the conditions removed with the new husband???????????????

They may be lenient in letting her adjust status on her own but she cannot do so based on her marriage to him. It also doesn't release you from The I-864

I tend to agree with this. The difficulty of her getting married and filing (nothing prohibits her from filing) is that she will have a different sponsor than the sponsor who brought her to the US; she has more of a chance single and claiming abuse, IMO...

 

What I related to FC was that it is well known that marriage to a USC forgives a few indiscretions (visa overstays, working without authorization)... and I wonder if there are circumstances where this also gets applied to his type of situation.. I just don't know definitely what will come of her trying to file if married.

[C4Racer]

He said as long as I did not go to Florida the Flroida Government could not touch me in New York or any other state. I never took that route as it was my children in the middle. I moved to Florida and showed HRS I was paying her monthly. Eventually HRS went after my ex for fradulent filings.

 

So I guess Scott just needs to move to another state.

 

I think you need to be careful with this advise.

Yes, this is normally the case with family law cases. They do not have access to US Federal District Courts. Normally, you are only bound by state courts, so you can get away with moving to another state. I know many deadbeat dads who did that to get away from child support.

Now enters the I-864. You gave the beneficiary, local, state and federal governments authorization to sue you in any US Federal District Court with jurisdiction for the return of any compensation due them. Hence, the government is smart. They purposely wrote the I-864 so it removes state boundaries.

As stated before, I-864 is a very dangerous document.

Edited January 15, 2007 by C4Racer (see edit history)

[david_dawei]

He said as long as I did not go to Florida the Flroida Government could not touch me in New York or any other state. I never took that route as it was my children in the middle. I moved to Florida and showed HRS I was paying her monthly. Eventually HRS went after my ex for fradulent filings.

 

So I guess Scott just needs to move to another state.

As stated before, I-864 is a very dangerous document.

which is why I am a little surprised by so many saying (maybe more in the other thread) just divorce her and move on... (yea, move on to lifetime payments if she can get through the removal proceedings). I think it's worthwhile to attempt to collect any possible criminal activity that might be going on to get it into her case... but not at the expense of one's sanity.

[Randy W]

. . .

which is why I am a little surprised by so many saying (maybe more in the other thread) just divorce her and move on... (yea, move on to lifetime payments if she can get through the removal proceedings). I think it's worthwhile to attempt to collect any possible criminal activity that might be going on to get it into her case... but not at the expense of one's sanity.

 

 

but if she hooks up with a rich guy (or even a moderately rich guy like most of us), it won't be hard at all to show that she is already living above the poverty line.

[phantom1949]

He said as long as I did not go to Florida the Flroida Government could not touch me in New York or any other state. I never took that route as it was my children in the middle. I moved to Florida and showed HRS I was paying her monthly. Eventually HRS went after my ex for fradulent filings.

 

So I guess Scott just needs to move to another state.

 

I think you need to be careful with this advise.

Yes, this is normally the case with family law cases. They do not have access to US Federal District Courts. Normally, you are only bound by state courts, so you can get away with moving to another state. I know many deadbeat dads who did that to get away from child support.

Now enters the I-864. You gave the beneficiary, local, state and federal governments authorization to sue you in any US Federal District Court with jurisdiction for the return of any compensation due them. Hence, the government is smart. They purposely wrote the I-864 so it removes state boundaries.

As stated before, I-864 is a very dangerous document.

 

I agree and stand corrected. But I hate the term "Dead Beat Dads" as I have seen as many "dead Beat Mom's" who get support and still scam the welfare system. I paid for 17 years and never missed or was late with a payment. But anyway.

[phantom1949]

He said as long as I did not go to Florida the Flroida Government could not touch me in New York or any other state. I never took that route as it was my children in the middle. I moved to Florida and showed HRS I was paying her monthly. Eventually HRS went after my ex for fradulent filings.

 

So I guess Scott just needs to move to another state.

As stated before, I-864 is a very dangerous document.

which is why I am a little surprised by so many saying (maybe more in the other thread) just divorce her and move on... (yea, move on to lifetime payments if she can get through the removal proceedings). I think it's worthwhile to attempt to collect any possible criminal activity that might be going on to get it into her case... but not at the expense of one's sanity.

 

 

David, it seems that FC has tapes videos or a PI to give a deposition on his wifes sexual exploits, and his bankers experience when his wife came in with her own money to send to China. If she has a hearing to keep her greem card and FC comes in with this kind of evidence what would the courts usually do??? I beleive he also has webcams at home to show no abuse...... That's assuming someone want to sit throught hundreds of hours of boring....

[warpedbored]

One question I have. If she were to go to prison wouldn't the I-864 give the federal govt the ability to come after the petitioner to compensate them for their costs? The whole point of the I-864 is prevent beneficaries from becoming a burden on the state. Prisoners are definitely a burden.

[phantom1949]

One question I have. If she were to go to prison wouldn't the I-864 give the federal govt the ability to come after the petitioner to compensate them for their costs? The whole point of the I-864 is prevent beneficaries from becoming a burden on the state. Prisoners are definitely a burden.

 

With a provisional Green Card would they put her in prision or just deport her. If she has already taken all this money, she might just be happy to go home.