Questions - Questions

[phantom1949]

I think my post has been hijaked.....

 

Now back to the topic!!

[sleepless in Houston&CQ]

I think my post has been hijaked.....

 

Now back to the topic!!

 

 

Oo now Lawrence your Topic is NOT the first one to be hijack

and it want be the last one either. So don't feel so unlucky

You know what they say "Lifes a Beach"

 

Bobby....

[david_dawei]

finding true love that matters to me and I think Nicole.

This can be difficult to know early on. If I had to state the general eastern approach, I would say: Love is 'arrived' at more than it is 'found'... You will know it better in 5 years than in 5 months... Other priorities are often more important...

 

I have read her last e-mail to me a dozen times. We can read something and interpret things different ways. I do not know when she had the experience with the American (now recent), but I have read that a Chinese woman over 40 has few prospects for marriage in China and that may be part of her motivation to try again.

Divorced chinese woman over 40 can be even tougher...

 

When I re-read her last e-mail to me, what I heard was that he K1 process would allow us to spend more time together and really get to know each other, rather then rushing into a marriage. And unless I am wrong, the K1 process bring her to the USA and if we do not get married then she has to go back (Which I would think is as much an enbarrassment).

True.. but still easier to walk away from it. Just realized that the visa expects her intention is to immigrate/marry, not 'test any Joe'.

 

When I would write and tell her she is beautiful, she would respond that she is looking for the beauty inside not outside.

Your probably not going to win her over with western romanticism.. better read up some more !! I'm going to say she is more interested in a secure relationship first.

 

I have aksed her probably 4-5 times for a mailing address so I can send her a holiday present and she has not sent one. In reading about Chinese culture, I found this is normal and also says to me she is not after $$$ or things.

Careful of reading too much into it. Sometimes they can be very indirect. All I read is that she doesn't want to give you her address; I don't extrapolate that [yet] to altruism on her part. I see subtle issues you are 'putting on her' she maybe doesn't want; and normally wouldn't occur by her cultural standards... That she is taking it slower should be a good sign; but continually having to create distance for herself means she may not be comfortable with some things...

[Guest Duke]

I think you'll find the time difference between K1 and K3 can be less than the difference between random pairs of K1 petitions. As a practical matter, there is no reason the time difference should be any more than 30 days and that's just the time between filing the I-130 and receiving the receipt for doing so. It could be as short as 10 to 14 days. My own K3 was faster than many of the K1 timelines you'll see here, even considering the month between filing the two petitions.

I have no idea how you could possibly tell someone that the average time for a K-1 and K-3 is about 30 days. I believe the average for K-1's is about 9 months where K-3's appear to be closer to 18 months.

 

 

I think upon closer reading, you'll see I referred to "the time difference". Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

The timeline information is available for all to compare, including examples of K3 visas issued faster than some K1's. The last time I looked there were a few K3 timelines shorter than 8 months. In any event, they are all available for anybody to examine. Thanks David.

 

My wife had her K3 visa in hand 8 months and 10 days from our marriage and under 8 months from the day I mailed the I-130.

Yes, I understood you meant time difference and the collective averages for the visa processing of K-1 and K-3 visas is considerablely longer than 30 days. But I fail to see the stats you are speaking, perhaps you will show us specifically what you are taking about and not just point us in a direction to aimlessly wander.

 

In trying to understand how your situation fell into one of the exceptions for processing your timeline would be helpful. Could it be that:

1. You were married in Hong Kong.

2. Fast Service Center for initial processing.

3. You benefited from the

IMBRA

backlog.

4. Your case missed all the normal speed bumps.

5. You are just full of crap.

I am sure you can see how not having a timeline makes it difficult to understand your situation or possibly motives. Plus in recent history the service centers who process specific visa types have changed in an attempt to speed things up, which with our government agencies seems to have the opposite affect.

 

The OP should know there are those who would supply their own brand of morality on others and suggest they get married in China without explaining the potential delays involved. These people seem to have an issue with the fiancee visa or "living in sin visa."

I am not suggesting one visa type over the other but feel it is important that we provide straight answers that provide all the information to understand the potential consequences and not cause others undue delay in bringing their family together.

 

I'm not suggesting one type visa over the other either.

 

The data I'm using is the CFL YTD timeline compilation.

 

If you take the Sub IV (I take it that means the number of days between filing or NOA1 and interview.) day count, total it, divide by the number of data points, then divide by 30 day per month, you will find the 20 K3 timelines yield a result of 9.24 months from NOA1 (or is it filing date?) to interview.

 

The same data on K1 petitions yields 47 data points and an average of 9.9 months. If you take out the three petitions with timelines exceeding 400 days, the K1 average is an identical 9.24 months.

 

My reference to a 30 day difference was in reference to the fact that one must wait for the NOA1 from an I-130 filing before filing the K3 petition. I thought 30 days was a conservative estimate on CR1 filing to NOA1.

 

My own experience tracks with the short end of the K3 timeline data on file here at CFL. I believe all the K3 petitions in that data were processed at the same service center, NBC in Missourri. Mine was too. It appears that only 3 or 4 of the petitions in this data were subject to IMBRA. Mine was not. I hope this answers your questions satisfactorily.

I would say that the numbers you are currently using are somewhat skewed due to IMBRA.

 

You lost me on that one. The data I specifically referred to only includes 3 or 4 petitions filed late enough to be subject to IMBRA. Of course, there isn't enough data available to reliably predict processing time for the IMBRA affected petitions (as if one could before IMBRA) but I'm not aware of any factors that would increase the processing time for one K visa type over another. What have I missed?

 

My impression is that factors either entirely out of the parties' control along with errors and/or personal circumstances have far more impact on most timelines than the K1 vs K3 choice.

[phantom1949]

I think my post has been hijaked.....

 

Now back to the topic!!

 

 

Oo now Lawrence your Topic is NOT the first one to be hijack

and it want be the last one either. So don't feel so unlucky

You know what they say "Lifes a Beach"

 

Bobby....

 

Bobby:

 

I was only kidding and I think they spell Beach differently in that expression.

[phantom1949]

finding true love that matters to me and I think Nicole.

This can be difficult to know early on. If I had to state the general eastern approach, I would say: Love is 'arrived' at more than it is 'found'... You will know it better in 5 years than in 5 months... Other priorities are often more important...

 

I have read her last e-mail to me a dozen times. We can read something and interpret things different ways. I do not know when she had the experience with the American (now recent), but I have read that a Chinese woman over 40 has few prospects for marriage in China and that may be part of her motivation to try again.

Divorced chinese woman over 40 can be even tougher...

 

When I re-read her last e-mail to me, what I heard was that he K1 process would allow us to spend more time together and really get to know each other, rather then rushing into a marriage. And unless I am wrong, the K1 process bring her to the USA and if we do not get married then she has to go back (Which I would think is as much an enbarrassment).

True.. but still easier to walk away from it. Just realized that the visa expects her intention is to immigrate/marry, not 'test any Joe'.

 

When I would write and tell her she is beautiful, she would respond that she is looking for the beauty inside not outside.

Your probably not going to win her over with western romanticism.. better read up some more !! I'm going to say she is more interested in a secure relationship first.

 

I have aksed her probably 4-5 times for a mailing address so I can send her a holiday present and she has not sent one. In reading about Chinese culture, I found this is normal and also says to me she is not after $$$ or things.

Careful of reading too much into it. Sometimes they can be very indirect. All I read is that she doesn't want to give you her address; I don't extrapolate that [yet] to altruism on her part. I see subtle issues you are 'putting on her' she maybe doesn't want; and normally wouldn't occur by her cultural standards... That she is taking it slower should be a good sign; but continually having to create distance for herself means she may not be comfortable with some things...

 

 

Everything you said makes sense - I'm still learning. Thanks for the insight.

[phantom1949]

Lawrence,

 

Take your trip, meet your lady in person. You are an adult and have surely been around the block before, if not a few times. In person you'll see how you and your lady react with each other and by her actions (and yours to her) to you, you will both get a good idea of if this is "it" or not.

 

Read all the information you can from the links you have been given and prepare yourself with all the paperwork for whichever visa you two decide to apply for. I think you saw that it will drive you crazy to over-analize this, I did too and made myself stop the craziness just as you seem to have seen in yourself.

 

Your first trip will be a great one and I know you will try to answer any questions you may have now, plus you will see if she is who you want to spend the rest of your life with, as she will see for herself with you.

 

If things go well for you guys on this first trip, then come home and start the visa process. As you proceed you will both have more questions arise and you will definitely will have more time to search yourselves.

 

To me, I feel the first trip gave me very important answers to my basic questions about our relationship and it confirmed to me that Wenyan and I were indeed in love with each other. Now I am eagerly awaiting the NOA2 confirmation so I can get right back over to China. Next week I am sending in my passport to get a multi entry visa for at least a year, and I am only staying here to see if I get any RFE's before the NOA2.

 

When I go back in January or February (hopefully the NOA2 will happen by then) I will give Wenyan all the paperwork my research shows me she will need,..and...now we will be more able to expand our relationship and grow our love even more with our next couple of weeks together.

 

I look at my first trip to Wenyan as having a mixture of real love in it, as well as a bit of puppy love. I've been thru those stages twice now and for the first time, as a male, I actually understand the difference in the two...LOL

 

As this visa journey plays itself out I see the extreme importance for both Wenyan and I that we take the government enforced separation (make lemonaide out of lemons if you will) to really get to know each other even better than the constant e-mails and nightly phone calls. That means me traveling to her probably twice more before the fourth and hopefully final trip to escort her to her interview and on back to America.

 

I hope any of this helps ya man.

 

Rawknee

Have visa

will travel

 

Sounds like you have the experience.

 

OK for the newbie here, what are the RFE;s and NOA2????

[C4Racer]

OK for the newbie here, what are the RFE;s and NOA2????

 

RFE = Request for Evidence

 

NOA = Notice of Action

 

Here is a link to more acronyms: http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2158.

 

RFE's happen when USCIS needs more dumentation like you forgot to include you birth certificate. NOA's are the I-797C letters sent to you from USCIS. NOA1 is the I-797C you'll get when they confirm the reciept of your application. NOA2 is the notice you received when your application is approved and they forwarded it to NVC.

Edited December 4, 2006 by C4Racer (see edit history)

[phantom1949]

thanks!!!

[sleepless in Houston&CQ]

I think my post has been hijaked.....

 

Now back to the topic!!

Oo now Lawrence your Topic is NOT the first one to be hijack

and it want be the last one either. So don't feel so unlucky

You know what they say "Lifes a Beach"

 

Bobby....

Bobby:

 

I was only kidding and I think they spell Beach differently in that expression.

 

Yea i know you was funnin,

"BEACH or VITCH?"

you know some of us Texicans don't be spelling so good...

Learning them three R's was hard and over 100 yrs ago

 

Bobby....

[phantom1949]

RFE is a "request for futher evidence"

NOA is "notice of action"

 

When you send in your application you will get a NOA when your application gets entered into the system. This would be your first notice of action or NOA1, then you may get an RFE for more info if you should have left something out, etc., and then hopefully a NOA2 would be your approval that the first part of your application has been approved. From there it goes to the national visa center or NVC.

 

I am certainly no pro at this Lawrence...LOL...I read the info from the three links you were given earlier in this thread, over and over and over and spent many hours making sure I had everything together. To tell ya the truth I never even knew about this forum and I was so dumb I didn't even know VJ had a forum, even though I downloaded their info for filing .

 

And my first two wives....were homegrown. Wife one was when I was 20 years old and off to Vietnam as a helicopter pilot. After getting shot down 5 times flying medivac missions I came home a completely different person than who she married, but she stuck it out 8 years. I was single for about 10 or 11 years and then along came wifey number two and we lasted 13 years before growing apart. I'm proud to say that I am good friends with both those ladys today, certainly not the norm these days...LOL

 

Lawrence, I am as new to this as you, I've just read the dang instructions until I can't see straight anymore.

 

I wish you good luck with your lady. I've found my soulmate with Wenyan and I can't wait until I can get back to China. Like I said Continental flight 89 leaves Texas and stops in Newark on its way to China. If we find ourselves heading out to China around the same time in January or February maybe we can hook up for the flight over the North Pole.

 

At any rate, now that I've found CFL you are gonna see me asking many questions once my application gets to the NVC to GuangZhou stages.

 

Rawknee

What a life, says I

 

 

Rawknee

 

What is the VJ site you were referring to?

 

We seem to have similar backgrounds.

 

I will probably wirting alot when I ge tready to go to China.

 

Thanks for all your insight.

 

Lawrence

[lostinblue]

RFE is a "request for futher evidence"

NOA is "notice of action"

 

When you send in your application you will get a NOA when your application gets entered into the system. This would be your first notice of action or NOA1, then you may get an RFE for more info if you should have left something out, etc., and then hopefully a NOA2 would be your approval that the first part of your application has been approved. From there it goes to the national visa center or NVC.

 

I am certainly no pro at this Lawrence...LOL...I read the info from the three links you were given earlier in this thread, over and over and over and spent many hours making sure I had everything together. To tell ya the truth I never even knew about this forum and I was so dumb I didn't even know VJ had a forum, even though I downloaded their info for filing .

 

And my first two wives....were homegrown. Wife one was when I was 20 years old and off to Vietnam as a helicopter pilot. After getting shot down 5 times flying medivac missions I came home a completely different person than who she married, but she stuck it out 8 years. I was single for about 10 or 11 years and then along came wifey number two and we lasted 13 years before growing apart. I'm proud to say that I am good friends with both those ladys today, certainly not the norm these days...LOL

 

Lawrence, I am as new to this as you, I've just read the dang instructions until I can't see straight anymore.

 

I wish you good luck with your lady. I've found my soulmate with Wenyan and I can't wait until I can get back to China. Like I said Continental flight 89 leaves Texas and stops in Newark on its way to China. If we find ourselves heading out to China around the same time in January or February maybe we can hook up for the flight over the North Pole.

 

At any rate, now that I've found CFL you are gonna see me asking many questions once my application gets to the NVC to GuangZhou stages.

 

Rawknee

What a life, says I

 

 

Rawknee

 

What is the VJ site you were referring to?

 

We seem to have similar backgrounds.

 

I will probably wirting alot when I ge tready to go to China.

 

Thanks for all your insight.

 

Lawrence

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?pg=examples

[ct_shore2000]

Phantom,

You like to play with fire though you don't realize it. Shenzhen is famous for many things, mosty bad. You need to know two things: What is her education and what is her job? Please post a reply and I'll say more.....

[Juette]

It is so unfair to negatively stereotype "all" of the women from Shenzhen. That is like saying all of the women from Miami are bad.

[phantom1949]

It is so unfair to negatively stereotype "all" of the women from Shenzhen. That is like saying all of the women from Miami are bad.

 

Well, Iwas going to answer the Stereo type question, but first, I livedin Florida for about 14 years. And in Miami, it may not be a stereo type. Althought I can say the same thing about LA. There are exceptions to the rule, but in general, they are great places to have FUN but not to find a serious relationship.........

 

On the other hand, when I lived in Orlando, we did have Minnie Mouse......