I-129F for K3/K4 advice

[Guest pushbrk]

The instructions for K3/K4 spouse and children indicate there is not need to submit documents proving you can legally marry. It also doesn't require you prove you ARE married.

 

I take it that the proof you filed the I-130 takes care of all that.

 

Is it advisable to include any of the above in the initial application anyway?

 

I'm just getting ready. Don't have a receipt or NOA 1 yet. Maybe this week some time they'll cash my checks.

[david_dawei]

I am a minimalist for petitions and applications.. just give them what they ask for and don't ask them to review something they didn't ask for... unless there's compelling reason to include it; one reason might be if someone actually got an RFE asking for it and it appears that they now want it in some cases.

 

But double check anything you send that is not asked for, in case of something not matching up (ie: info on marriage cert not matching G-325a).

 

I see on VJ that they say "Optional but recommended" to give a certified copy of the marriage certificate.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...om&page=k3guide

 

But ignore their direction at the bottom (after NOA2 is received).. our timelines through GUZ have taught us that you don't want to send any of this info to the SO till closer to P4...

Edited February 22, 2006 by DavidZixuan (see edit history)

[Guest pushbrk]

I am a minimalist for petitions and applications.. just give them what they ask for and don't ask them to review something they didn't ask for... unless there's compelling reason to include it; one reason might be if someone actually got an RFE asking for it and it appears that they now want it in some cases.

 

But double check anything you send that is not asked for, in case of something not matching up (ie: info on marriage cert not matching G-325a).

 

I see on VJ that they say "Optional but recommended" to give a certified copy of the marriage certificate.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?pg=k3guide

 

But ignore their direction at the bottom (after NOA2 is received).. our timelines through GUZ have taught us that you don't want to send any of this info to the SO till closer to P4...

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Thanks, I'm a minimalist about what to send but not on preparation and document checking. I may well send a photocopy of my notarial marriage certificate and a copy of the little red book.

 

I see some reference to "explaining your case" in the cover letter. Since our relationship was relatively short before marriage and we married two days after face to face meeting, I don't see any reason to explain any of that in the initial filing. It seems more prudent to deal with the bona fide issues with ongoing relationship proof, like communication logs, copies of correspondence, pictures and trips to China.

[david_dawei]

Actually, read section 11 of the I-129F instructions CAREFULLY... this is directed to spousal use of the form... (anywhere fiancee is used, assume it to mean spouse)

 

It says such things as you can omit certain questions (B.18 & B.19), to ignore one section (5) but to do the requirements of another (3,4,6) and finally ...

 

"a marriage certificate evidencing the legal marriage between the citizen and alien".

 

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So, it seems they are asking for it...

Edited December 27, 2005 by DavidZixuan (see edit history)

[Guest pushbrk]

Actually, read section 11 of the I-129F instructions CAREFULLY... this is directed to spousal use of the form... (anywhere fiancee is used, assume it to mean spouse)

 

It says such things as you can omit certain questions (B.18 & B.19), to ignore one section (5) but to do the requirements of another (3,4,6) and finally ...

 

"a marriage certificate evidencing the legal marriage between the citizen and alien".

 

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So, it seems they are asking for it...

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Yep. Two sets of eyes are better than 1. :-)

[Guest pushbrk]

Had me second guessing myself for a bit. I KNOW we sent the marriage cert on BOTH petitions. Ironically I thought the I-130 would languish for a year and a half at CSC and sent them a COPY. For the I-129F we sent an actual NOTARITIAL copy of such- figured our K-3 (back then) would only take a few months. At THAT TIME several people at VJ were being RFE'd from high fraud countries by USCIS asking for a "Certified" or "Notarital" copy after the fact.

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Yeah, it threw me too. Common sense told me to send my step-daughter's birth certificate with the I-130 but the instructions definitely didn't ask for it. By the same logic, common sense told me to send a marriage certificate with the I-129F. I just didn't see the requirement buried in the part of a sentence.

 

I think I'm going to try sending a copy of the notarial with the I-129F though with a note that an original was filed with the I-130 and another will be brought to the interview.

[mercator]

I sent notarial certified copies/translations with both the 130 and the 129F.

[tywy_99]

I sent notarial certified copies/translations with both the 130 and the 129F.

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ditto

[david_dawei]

I would say that this is one of the few times that VJs guides are wrong.. at least they are wrong twice on the same guide...

 

Best practice: Send in with both !

[ptcrusier333rph]

i'm sending a notarized copy of the marriage license and both my wife and son birth cert. in both app. just to cover all bases. mininual is nice but at this point i rather lean to piling it on than being ask for more info and delay.

 

Robert

 

hopefully I get our marriage license square away.

[mercator]

The instructions for K3/K4 spouse and children indicate there is not need to submit documents proving you can legally marry.  It also doesn't require you prove you ARE married.

 

I take it that the proof you filed the I-130 takes care of all that. 

 

Is it advisable to include any of the above in the initial application anyway?

 

I'm just getting ready.  Don't have a receipt or NOA 1 yet.  Maybe this week some time they'll cash my checks.

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I threw in a notarial marriage certificate in my 129F.

 

25 days from NOA1 to NOA2 so they must have liked something.

[Cerberus]

The instructions for K3/K4 spouse and children indicate there is not need to submit documents proving you can legally marry.  It also doesn't require you prove you ARE married.

 

I take it that the proof you filed the I-130 takes care of all that. 

 

Is it advisable to include any of the above in the initial application anyway?

 

I'm just getting ready.  Don't have a receipt or NOA 1 yet.  Maybe this week some time they'll cash my checks.

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Pushbrk,

 

All I did was copy all divorce acions of my wife and myself. The copies were submitted with both application.

 

The size of the application packets was a real "pain-in-the-butt!" However, I wanted to be forthright with USCIS. I believe that I read that copies could be submitted, but geniuine articles could be asked for later. Therefore, the actual true copies were in my wife's hand when she did her interview.

 

I should add, that I realized that the multiple divorce actions would possibly have raised a red flag. Therefore, the reason that I submitted them. Like I have said I hate RFE's and Cheeto's. You probably are more aware than any of us what will "raise eyebrows and what won't. IMHO, personal preference and common sense set the guidelines of what and how many extra "goodies" that should be sent in.

 

I should mention that this included Chinese Visa, passports, Birth Certificate, etc, etc.