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This is from the 001 Interview table. P1 to Interview

 

CSC CR1  376

CSC CR1  411

CSC CR1  836

CSC CR1  497

CSC K1  189

CSC K1  306

CSC K1 

CSC K1  261

CSC K3  505

CSC K3  503

CSC K3  361

NSC CR1  439

NSC CR1  355

NSC K1  311

NSC K1 

NSC K1  282

NSC K3  487

NSC K3  528

NSC K3  361

NSC K3  476

TSC K3  423

TSC K3  434

VSC CR1  460

VSC CR1  408

VSC CR1  565

VSC CR1  386

VSC CR1  566

VSC K1  233

VSC K1  236

VSC K1  251

VSC K1  231

VSC K1  230

 

Edit for averages: (I threw out the extremely high CSC CR1)

 

CSC CR1  428

CSC K1  252

CSC K3  456

NSC CR1  397

NSC K1  297

TSC K3  452

VSC CR1  477

VSC K1  236

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In my opinion having studied all the sites listed for the past year, only the data from CFL has any accurate usefulness. I could go into a long explination for each site, but basically, it is only on CFL where members post specific dates, or on specific dates, dates written on certain documents, and other related events that has allowed for the most accurate prediction data. There is also a general greater understanding from its members of what to post for the time line information, in turn driven by the desire to know more of when the process will be finished, which by collecting over time and by studying the posts of those members during the periods in question, allows for a more accurate assessment of the time. A simple post your time data into a chart for any other site has so far not provide the same useful data. Only comparative data.

 

The data is gathered from all CFL members who posted a time line with the neccesary data from April 2004 to now. Why April 2004? Because before that, Biometrics was waiting to be implemented, and before that, the Interview wait time was much shorter.Before whatever happened before that, there was some other wait time. Before that, there was what oldest members here refer to as the "Black Hole" While things have changed, and usually things changing means a longer wait, in general since that time the wait times from P3 to Interview have been fluctuating from 180-124 days from P3 to Interview. Variable up/down on a per month basis.

 

Wait times per service center, per visa type, is a much larger set of variables, which it is hard to include coffee factor. This is why we can only see a general spread, which is why we can easily say, expect a year start to finish, if you are going to end up at Guangzhou. (Maybe this will change again, but don't rely on that either). Six month BG and six month AG. A CFL member has an appropriate tagline something about what a service center gives, Guz will take away. An accurate observation.

 

Here is the same data in Interview order, oldest to latest. I had left the previous data sort by the amount of time, because as you can see by this sort list, there is no speed up or slow down. At the bottom is my data from 001 for comparison, which is why I only use it for a check.

 

Total number of days from NOA1 to Interview, oldest to most recent for CFL.

 

 

CSC

369

528

377

420

557

371

277

392

311

314

461

286

346

398

 

MSC

431

 

NSC

404

359

409

302

344

351

325

332

295

 

TSC

336

300

330

 

VSC

315

256

364

233

245

367

403

364

251

255

302

361

268

 

DCF

223

177

203

 

Unknown

344

219

389

471

357

350

415

368

440

383

211

274

310

354

542

462

229

422

257

420

466

235

322

401

304

 

 

Data collected from 001 site from July 2004 to now total number of days from NOA1 to Interview, oldest to most recent

 

K1 CSC 680

K1 CSC 556

K1 CSC 375

K1 CSC 370

K1 CSC 665

K1 CSC 440

K1 CSC 367

K1 CSC 321

K1 CSC 386

K3 CSC 372

CR1 CSC 485

CR1 CSC 397

K1 CSC 363

K3 CSC 282

K1 CSC 280

K1 CSC 243

K1 CSC 712

K3 CSC 371

K1 CSC 302

K1 CSC 285

K1 CSC 418

CR1 CSC 420

K3 CSC 490

K3 CSC 495

K1 CSC 305

K1 CSC 354

CR1 CSC 383

CR1 CSC 332

K1 CSC 398

K1 CSC 385

CR1 CSC 453

CR国内 CSC 286

CR1 CSC 377

K1 CSC 377

CR国内 CSC 403

CR1 CSC 455

K3 CSC 449

K3 CSC 196

K1 CSC 274

K3 CSC 422

K1 CSC 406

K3 CSC 509

K1 CSC 465

K3 CSC 330

CR国内 CSC 456

K3 CSC 331

K1 CSC 551

K1 CSC 116

K3 CSC 278

K3 CSC 435

K1 CSC 505

K1 CSC 378

K1 CSC 418

K3 CSC 179

K1 CSC 289

K1 CSC 281

K1 CSC 435

K3 CSC 137

K1 CSC 515

K1 CSC 417

K1 CSC 385

K1 CSC 524

K1 NSC 550

CR1 NSC 468

K3 NSC 380

K1 NSC 354

CR1 NSC 413

K1 NSC 372

CR1 NSC 403

K1 NSC 442

K1 NSC 328

K1 NSC 321

K1 NSC 287

CR1 NSC 316

CR1 NSC 402

K1 NSC 283

K1 NSC 241

K1 NSC 309

K1 NSC 317

K1 NSC 334

K1 NSC 376

CR1 NSC 203

CR1 NSC 387

K1 NSC 326

CR1/DCF? NSC 366

K1 NSC 318

CR国内 NSC 215

K3 NSC 371

K1 NSC 333

K3 NSC 319

K1 NSC 341

K1 NSC 286

CR1 NSC 456

K1 NSC 304

K1 NSC 431

K1 NSC 331

K1 NSC 325

K1 NSC 363

K1 NSC 298

K1 NSC 470

K1 NSC 307

CR1 NSC 590

CR1 NSC 343

K1 NSC 504

K1 TSC 432

CR1 TSC 429

K1 TSC 522

K1 TSC 609

CR1 TSC 309

K1 TSC 222

K1 TSC 281

K3 TSC 407

K1 TSC 486

K1 TSC 288

K1 TSC 452

K1 TSC 253

CR1 TSC 332

K3 TSC 404

CR1 TSC 302

K1 TSC 472

K1 TSC 243

K1 VSC 570

K3 VSC 301

K1 VSC 246

K3 VSC 233

CR1 VSC 429

CR1 VSC 351

K1 VSC 232

K1 VSC 214

K1 VSC 356

K1 VSC 237

K1 VSC 241

K1 VSC 229

CR1 VSC 208

CR1 VSC 212

CR1 VSC 304

K1 VSC 435

K1 VSC 406

CR1 VSC 424

K1 VSC 401

CR1 VSC 328

CR1 VSC 445

K1 VSC 246

K1 VSC 210

CR1 VSC 231

K1 VSC 336

K1 VSC 303

K1 VSC 229

CR1 VSC 322

K3 VSC 390

K1 VSC 213

K1 VSC 185

CR1 VSC 514

K1 VSC 239

K1 VSC 215

K3 VSC 254

K1 VSC 226

K1 VSC 248

K1 VSC 550

K3 VSC 219

K1 VSC 563

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Why don't I use the averages for this data? Because the evidence shows that the high numbers appear to mean that those are people who have a delay of some sort in the process where there are many places where a delay can happen. Since we don't have a lot of numbers, it is harder to extrapolate out a bell shaped curve to get the mean average. Which is why, I think one can say, expect a year, be happy if it is less.

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I just looked at a number of timeslines and I just don't get that impression.

 

Many are 9-11 months;   Lee for example will be over a year.

 

I would only venture to say a year is average.. but we have more precise numbers by visa center and visa type, in my opinion.

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...my statement was not intended to be scientific, but a general observation. Again, the timelines I've viewed show the trend that I've already mentioned......now, that's my opinion..... :D

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Are these recent ?

 

I was talking with another member about a month ago.. we were discussing the idea of doing something offsite to allow people to enter their timelines and then people could sort by various ways.

 

It is clear that timelines are extremely useful and could be used in a searchable and sorting means.

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David,

 

having a comprehensive site that enabled a user to register and enter personal information relating to their timeline would be incredibly useful. I've seen a few attempts at this, but most lack the ability to perform a true controlled time study.

 

The variables are pretty straight-forward it seems and it should not be too hard to develop an input system that could be queried and charted so that it provides historical information. I've seen the Chart on VJ but it fails to provide an easy method for extracting and charting.

 

The timelines you see from many that use the signature block contain a lot additional information that is of personal importance, but of little significance to a statistical study. I would be happy to lend a hand in such an effort should there be an interest....

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can you do a spread sheet based on the variables so they can be queried easily???? Will it more easily allow for comparisons that way?

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In my observation and following timelines of friends who have completed the process... Nine months seems to be the norm for K1.

 

The person who has helped my fiancee and many other Nanning ladies, told me when I was there in Nanning the first visit last August that 9 months average for completion once the process starts. Sure enough, timelines I notice for K1 averages 9 months.

 

The overall concensus seems to be that Guangzhou is very impartial and fair even though we all want our cases to be unique. I just complain about the wait because their is so many illegal's coming into the USA and we all are following the rules and have to wait and endure frustrations of due process. DavidZixuan once posted that good things come to those who wait... I agree and have had more than my share of blessings since this all began 1 year ago!

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It wouldn't be that difficult to build a form for people to input this data to track timelines.

 

One problem is of course the data is entered wrong either by mistake or intentionally.

 

The milestones would first have to be agreed on for each type of visa, like "Received notice of Approval from BCIS in Nebraska", or "P4 received". All would have date values associated with it.

 

Then you'd have to get the members to fill it all in, as the timeline signatures are of little value and would be next to impossible to parse the meanings.

 

But after that, the reports or raw data dumps into say an excel sheet would be easy.

 

Anybody want to define the milestones and rally people to enter the info, I could build it with moderator approval. <_<

 

Jeff

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K1 Required entry:

1) Date petition (I-129F) sent to visa center

2) Visa center sent to (VSC, TSC, CSC, NSC)

3) NOA1 date

4) NOA2 date

5) P3 date entered in GUZ computer (most reliable in case delay in the return) ; secondary = date P3 sent back ; last option = date received.

6) P4 date

7) Interview date

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Nooneufo and David, I see that you have both entered the Matrix. Somehow you have become 1 with your data. Don't forget to take the red pill to get out, or was it the blue, whatever.

 

Let's call it all good, and say it takes a year or so. :hug: :wub: :lol:

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One problem is of course the data is entered wrong either by mistake or intentionally.

 

 

Jeff

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I am all for a form to enter the data in by the users. Unfortunately, look at every other site that does this, and look more specifically at the data compared to manually compiling the data at CFL, you will have even less accuracy for (in my opinion) the most critical thing people want to know, which is when will their interview be scheduled.

For example, there are at least four different interpretations for what is the proper P3 date that is entered on 001, and this is reflected in the averages. Will a form include this, and will people enter the right information into the right block. Based on what I see, the answer will be no. I wish the answer was yes, because it would be a lot easier.

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K1 Required entry:

 

5) P3 date entered in GUZ computer (most reliable in case delay in the return) ; secondary = date P3 sent back ; last option = date received.

 

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This is incorrect.

 

The data is clear that the most important dates are the ones in the upper right hand corner of the P3 letter and on the P4 letter.

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K1 Required entry:

 

5) P3 date entered in GUZ computer (most reliable in case delay in the return) ; secondary = date P3 sent back ; last option = date received.

 

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This is incorrect.

 

The data is clear that the most important dates are the ones in the upper right hand corner of the P3 letter and on the P4 letter.

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Every form received is important, especially when a Notice of Action. What starts getting murky is when dates are communicated to others using inconsistent methods. The I-797C---Notice of Action has two fields for dates. These are both on the left side directly over one another as:

 

Received Date: ___________

 

Notice Date: __________

 

Additionally, if you go to USCIS.gov other dates appear as to when the current package was last updated. With this in mind, it's EXTREMELY important to stipulate the name of the date field (e.g., Notice Date, Received Date, etc.) on the specific form.

 

To keep consistency you must throw out any date that does not appear on a form. Verbal dates, check cashed dates, post marked dates, etc., are not acceptable.

 

The benchmark date should be the Notice Date appearing on the Notice of Action form.

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K1 Required entry:

 

5) P3 date entered in GUZ computer (most reliable in case delay in the return) ; secondary = date P3 sent back ; last option = date received.

 

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This is incorrect.

 

The data is clear that the most important dates are the ones in the upper right hand corner of the P3 letter and on the P4 letter.

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I understand that the form date is best for predicting the projections.. the only reason to have the entered date (maybe in addition), is that it shows up those who took over the average to return the P3 and therefore might have to be adjusted out (?).

 

I think it would be helpful to have a second P3 date, either the "entered" date for the reason just given or name check complete, so we can try to see if at what point a delayed namecheck pushes the interview date out.

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FYI:

 

Here is the data that I have for the last K1s getting interviews.. if the submission date was not given, this was backed into.

 

CFL member………..........Ctr……Submission..…Interview……Days…Months

pkroger...................................7/12/2004......8/9/2005......387......12.9

F & L......................................8/24/2004......8/5/2005......341......11.3

alaskagypsy............................9/27/2004......8/1/2005......304......10.1

DocMarin817................nsc......8/6/2004…....6/28/2005.....322......10.7

yuehan123...................csc......9/1/2004…....6/23/2005......292......9.7

krjchen...................................3/22/2004.....6/21/2005.....449......14.9

Feathers268..................csc....3/18/2004......6/18/2005......450......15

Johns90.......................vsc.....10/15/2004.....6/17/2005......242......8

Dan R..........................csc......7/20/2004.....6/15/2005......325......10.8

hlin...............................csc.....7/19/2004......6/6/2005.......317......10.5

nousername..................nsc......4/4/2004.......6/2/2005........418......13.9

jimglot.....................................8/19/2004......5/31/2005......282......9.4

petercat........................csc.....4/27/2004......5/31/2005......394......13.1

Keith-N-Min...................vsc.....10/6/2004......5/25/2005......229......7.6

squid............................tsc......8/25/2004......5/25/2005…...270......9

Vibes1313....................tsc......6/28/2004......5/24/2005.......326......10.8

markd...........................nsc......6/9/2004......5/15/2005…....336......11.2

Cliff..............................vsc......7/31/2004......4/28/2005......268......8.9

springmud.....................nsc......5/20/2004.....4/21/2005......331......11

nooneufo......................csc......7/7/2004.......4/18/2005......281......9.3

Bandj............................vsc......6/10/2004.....4/12/2005......302......10

G-man..........................tsc.......8/1/2004.......4/11/2005......250......8.3

c4racer........................nsc......5/4/2004.......4/8/2005........334......11.1

yav20b....................................5/17/2004......3/31/2005…...314......10.4

animatormark................vsc......7/5/2004…....3/30/2005......265......8.8

John & Hai Yan.............vsc......6/15/2004......3/24/2005......279......9.3

Lele..............................vsc......6/10/2004.......3/3/2005......263......8.7

Razbre.........................vsc......4/28/2004......1/11/2005......253......8.4

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FYI:

 

Here is the data that I have for the last K1s getting interviews.. if the submission date was not given, this was backed into.

 

CFL member………..........Ctr……Submission..…Interview……Days…Months

pkroger...................................7/12/2004......8/9/2005......387......12.9

F & L......................................8/24/2004......8/5/2005......341......11.3

alaskagypsy............................9/27/2004......8/1/2005......304......10.1

DocMarin817................nsc......8/6/2004…....6/28/2005.....322......10.7

yuehan123...................csc......9/1/2004…....6/23/2005......292......9.7

krjchen...................................3/22/2004.....6/21/2005.....449......14.9

Feathers268..................csc....3/18/2004......6/18/2005......450......15

Johns90.......................vsc.....10/15/2004.....6/17/2005......242......8

Dan R..........................csc......7/20/2004.....6/15/2005......325......10.8

hlin...............................csc.....7/19/2004......6/6/2005.......317......10.5

nousername..................nsc......4/4/2004.......6/2/2005........418......13.9

jimglot.....................................8/19/2004......5/31/2005......282......9.4

petercat........................csc.....4/27/2004......5/31/2005......394......13.1

Keith-N-Min...................vsc.....10/6/2004......5/25/2005......229......7.6

squid............................tsc......8/25/2004......5/25/2005…...270......9

Vibes1313....................tsc......6/28/2004......5/24/2005.......326......10.8

markd...........................nsc......6/9/2004......5/15/2005…....336......11.2

Cliff..............................vsc......7/31/2004......4/28/2005......268......8.9

springmud.....................nsc......5/20/2004.....4/21/2005......331......11

nooneufo......................csc......7/7/2004.......4/18/2005......281......9.3

Bandj............................vsc......6/10/2004.....4/12/2005......302......10

G-man..........................tsc.......8/1/2004.......4/11/2005......250......8.3

c4racer........................nsc......5/4/2004.......4/8/2005........334......11.1

yav20b....................................5/17/2004......3/31/2005…...314......10.4

animatormark................vsc......7/5/2004…....3/30/2005......265......8.8

John & Hai Yan.............vsc......6/15/2004......3/24/2005......279......9.3

Lele..............................vsc......6/10/2004.......3/3/2005......263......8.7

Razbre.........................vsc......4/28/2004......1/11/2005......253......8.4

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Where did you get these?

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FYI:

 

Here is the data that I have for the last K1s getting interviews.. if the submission date was not given, this was backed into.

 

CFL member………..........Ctr……Submission..…Interview……Days…Months

pkroger...................................7/12/2004......8/9/2005......387......12.9

F & L......................................8/24/2004......8/5/2005......341......11.3

alaskagypsy............................9/27/2004......8/1/2005......304......10.1

DocMarin817................nsc......8/6/2004…....6/28/2005.....322......10.7

yuehan123...................csc......9/1/2004…....6/23/2005......292......9.7

krjchen...................................3/22/2004.....6/21/2005.....449......14.9

Feathers268..................csc....3/18/2004......6/18/2005......450......15

Johns90.......................vsc.....10/15/2004.....6/17/2005......242......8

Dan R..........................csc......7/20/2004.....6/15/2005......325......10.8

hlin...............................csc.....7/19/2004......6/6/2005.......317......10.5

nousername..................nsc......4/4/2004.......6/2/2005........418......13.9

jimglot.....................................8/19/2004......5/31/2005......282......9.4

petercat........................csc.....4/27/2004......5/31/2005......394......13.1

Keith-N-Min...................vsc.....10/6/2004......5/25/2005......229......7.6

squid............................tsc......8/25/2004......5/25/2005…...270......9

Vibes1313....................tsc......6/28/2004......5/24/2005.......326......10.8

markd...........................nsc......6/9/2004......5/15/2005…....336......11.2

Cliff..............................vsc......7/31/2004......4/28/2005......268......8.9

springmud.....................nsc......5/20/2004.....4/21/2005......331......11

nooneufo......................csc......7/7/2004.......4/18/2005......281......9.3

Bandj............................vsc......6/10/2004.....4/12/2005......302......10

G-man..........................tsc.......8/1/2004.......4/11/2005......250......8.3

c4racer........................nsc......5/4/2004.......4/8/2005........334......11.1

yav20b....................................5/17/2004......3/31/2005…...314......10.4

animatormark................vsc......7/5/2004…....3/30/2005......265......8.8

John & Hai Yan.............vsc......6/15/2004......3/24/2005......279......9.3

Lele..............................vsc......6/10/2004.......3/3/2005......263......8.7

Razbre.........................vsc......4/28/2004......1/11/2005......253......8.4

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Where did you get these?

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Ultimately peoples timelines. It's the only place to extract the data from... At one time, I did a thread asking for info and collected some.

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