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Sorry, my question had to do with a residence permit and that was the only existing appropriate thread I found. Correct it did not include going to the USA.
I promise to be more careful in the future to make sure my questions follow the exact --not just general-- scope of the thread.
Split this from the other thread, the other thread had to do with residence permit and eventually filing for a visa at the consulate for spouse to immigrate to the USA.
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Strength of Chinese culture lies in understanding of human heart
Shanghai Daily
I received a response to my "Online amenities create utopia of idiots, curb serious thinking" (November 12, Shanghai Daily), from a "paper book" loving gentleman who hates audio books and has difficulties "reading on a screen for a long time."
His children also grew up with books and are to this day addicted to them. But it is a different story with his grandchildren, aged 10 and 13.
His question is, among others, "Are they less happy and less fulfilled (than we)?"
The question I asked myself is: Is happiness really "our being's end and aim" (Alexander Pope)?
And what is happiness in the first place?
We must confess that happiness, as it is widely seen today, is elusive, largely conceived in terms of Western "affluence" and "prosperity." The Chinese people felt more contented and grateful before they were initiated into this kind of "happiness."
We used to have a saying that "the pains of life start with literacy," because education was first of all about rituals, constraints, and obligations.
It exacted respect from us for heaven, the earth, and the Way of the world, and in so doing instilled in us a kind of humility.
Our forefathers were warned that insincerity and hubris would incur the wrath of heaven.
Even the English "happiness" has its origin in "hap," which means chance. Alas, most people missed their chance, did not get their deserts, got trapped on an endless treadmill. How then can the masses of people avoid a life of "quiet desperation" (Henry David Thoreau)?
By comparison, the life poisoned by the opiate of religion affords the consolation of hope, of an afterlife. Faith and belief is much more powerful than knowledge.
It was belief that prompted Buddhist monk Xuan Zang (Chen Yi) (600-664) to embark on a 17-year trip to India.
But on the whole, we Chinese are said to have no religion. We make up for that by having great reverence for the teachings of our forefathers.
Unlike the glory of an afterlife hinted at by major religions, we aspire to the governance by Yao, Shun, and Yu, ancient monarchs of the distant past. So the challenge of later generations is to strive to approximate the blissful conditions of the good old age of Yao, Shun, and Yu.
That's why it has been observed that all the six Confucian classics are essentially historical.
You can imagine our surprise that about 30 years ago, a scholar named Francis Fukuyama proclaimed the "end of history" by suggesting that Western liberalism is the final form of human governance and represents the ultimate phase of the human ideological evolution.
The past decades have been an unending mockery of that prophesy.
This blissfully ignorant prophet derived much of his confidence from his understanding of a proposition of French philosopher Alexandre Kojeve, who explained in his "Introduction to the Reading of Hegel" (1934) that the end of human Time or History suggests the disappearance of wars and bloody revolutions.
Philosophy would also go. Since Man himself no longer changes essentially, there is no longer any reason to change the way he understands the world and himself. So the ultimate Man would be kept in a perpetual state of bliss by art, love, play, etc.
In criticizing Hegelian philosophy, a French sinologist once observed that philosophy must be conceived in the context of history, and failing that it can easily get bogged down in the abyss of abstraction, as in the case of Hegel.
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What you are talking about is the "Chinese green card", which you may be eligible for after living in China for five years. As with ALL "in China" visa questions, the only place to get the correct answer is at your PSB.I hope to get an endless residence permit that allows me to stay and work in China when my contract ends at my current work. I already have with my Z visa and residence permit at my current job. I got married in December and I'm living and working in China. I would like my residence permit to not depend on my current job and allow me to change jobs without affecting my working residence permit. Any input?
In the meantime, you are eligible for one year residence permits, work visas tied to a specific employer, or one year L-visa. The residence permit or L-visa issued by the PSB for spouses come with unlimited stays.
As always, check with your local PSB for the actual answers.
I think the L-visa/residence permit do not allow work, but I can get one that allows me an unlimited stay; but to work here my employer needs to give me a work visa? So to stay here I will be set, just have work through a company that can give me a work visa?
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I hope to get an endless residence permit that allows me to stay and work in China when my contract ends at my current work. I already have with my Z visa and residence permit at my current job. I got married in December and I'm living and working in China. I would like my residence permit to not depend on my current job and allow me to change jobs without affecting my working residence permit. Any input?
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My advice would be to not mention marriage AT ALL. Go and meet her and assess the situation with a clear head. DON'T MARRY upon the first meeting. Don't even hint at it or insinuate that you're thinking of it. Play possum to see which way the wind blows. She may be the one but don't let on. There is time.
Be the tourist and sightseer. Keep your radar alert. Posters here will comment on all your comments with clear advice. You state with certainty that "She hasn't dated for 14 years so must be something about me that pulls at her heart." This is without meeting her or knowing facts. I don't want to pour cold water but, you know... Just my two cents.
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Quite a detailed post, thanks and congratulations on the joyous outcome!
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IMO, cleanliness preaching from some Chinese ladies surpasses that from other cultures in my experience. Even washing down with soap and water after every bathroom visit, no sitting on the bed in street clothes, of course the shoes thing, etc.
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...I was surprised to see that a job as a flight attendant is not viewed as a favorable job by Chinese people. However, a school teacher gets high marks.
Wait, are you saying that a flight attendant should get higher marks than a school teacher?
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Flight attendants recruitment attracts beautiful young applicants
http://english.people.com.cn/mediafile/201303/11/F201303111440281787028726.jpg
China East Airlines Jiangsu office began to recruit flight attendants from applicants from Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Shandong, Jiangxi and others places in Nanjing on March 9, 2013. Besides the examination of the applicants' appearances and English level, the office also pays special attention to examination of their service awareness, communication skills and other "soft power" which are essential for building affinity in flight services.
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A memorable scene from David Lynch's Blue Velvet (1986). With Laura Dern & Kyle MacLachlan.
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This looks like our setup and our fan/stove:
http://www.gome.com.cn/ec/homeus/jump/product/9112730189.html
http://img3.gomein.net.cn/image/prodimg/productDesc/descImg/201208/desc151/9112730189/10_02.jpg
"Herbalife 220w high power hermetically sealed double ball bearing brushless motor, turbine diameter of 24 cm, 60 12 cm curved side wind page speed up to 1720 rpm. Speed operation, the outlet and the inlet of the turbine to form a pressure difference, to achieve the rapid flow of the air."
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I have no idea what our fan's cfm is but it clears our kitchen fine (no small task). It is a Cando (guangdong canbo electrical co., ltd. in shunde city) "Luxuriance" and even has an oil runoff bin.
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Note: Normal woks must be able to get RED HOT if they are to be used correctly, typically about twice the flame of American stove models I owned (of course many make do with what they have). Hence the need for high flame and good ventilation for the smoke/steam. My girl's wok emits enough smoke and steam to be an environmental hazard matching any factory smokestack.
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2013-03/08/content_16291578.htm
Celebrating women all over China Photos By (chinadaily.com.cn)http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20130308/0023ae606e6612a39c9c03.jpg
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We already celebrated the western version of "international women's day" , we call it St. Valentine's Day. After that, comes Mother's Day if our lovely ladies have children. (and don't say anything about Father's Day, it usually is an after thought lumped in with graduations.) I'll concider this when there is an "international men's day".
I think you are comparing apples to oranges. The Chinese have a Valentine's day in August and many of them also celebrate it on the western world's date too. That is more of a couple's individual love/romance day (like sweetest day) rather an international day of women in general.
"In different regions the focus of the celebrations ranges from general celebration of respect, appreciation and love towards women to a celebration for women's economic, political and social achievements... In other regions, however, the original political and human rights theme designated by the United Nations runs strong, and political and social awareness of the struggles of women worldwide are brought out and examined in a hopeful manner." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day
I guess it is a day for we men to express to women that we know of their struggles, respect how far they have come and how much we support them in every way going forward.
BTW, there is an international men's day... "... focusing on men's and boys' health, improving gender relations, promoting gender equality, and highlighting positive male role models. It is an occasion to highlight discrimination against men and boys and to celebrate their achievements and contributions, in particular for their contributions to community, family, marriage, and child care. The broader and ultimate aim of the event is to promote basic humanitarian values." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Men%27s_Day
[although some may say that every day is men's day in this male-dominated world]
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The importance, or not, of International Women's Day in China
Six local ladies discuss the impact of March 8, International Women's Day and a Chinese national holiday, on their lives
We’ve often wondered how many Chinese women celebrate International Women’s Day as anything more than a half day of work. Though many companies reward their female employees with time off or gifts on March 8, celebrations of San Ba Fu Nu Jie are low-key, even if it is a national holiday.
Adding to the holiday confusion, the pronunciation of March 8 in Chinese, “san ba”, sounds exactly like a slur word to describe nosy, gossipy women. It’s an unfortunate coincidence that has given this holiday a bad rap.
So, is International Women’s Day the Chinese equivalent of our President’s day, a holiday that is mostly meaningful because you get a day off work? Or do the women of China, often seen as equal to men, celebrate it with more significance? We took to the streets to find out.
Name: Jasmine Chen
Native of: Liaoning
Age: 29
Profession: Jazz vocalist/pianist
CNNGo: Is International Women's Day important to Chinese women?
Jasmine Chen:
Yes, because it has symbolic significance.
CNNGo: Do you think Chinese women are seen as equal to men in China?
Jasmine Chen:
In big cities, women are quite equal to men. But in the countryside, men have higher status then women.
CNNGo: How has the social status of Chinese women changed from your grandmother’s to your mother’s generation and to yours?
Jasmine Chen:
In my grandmother’s generation, women had little power. From my mom’s generation, they had the ability to make many more decisions. Still, when it came to choosing careers and husbands, men always had the final say. But I get to make all the decisions in my life.
Actually I didn’t want to be a nu qiang ren [a 'superwoman': a woman who is independent and successful in her career but still single], I wanted to be with a superman, but since that hasn’t happened yet, I’ve been forced to be this strong!
CNNGo: Is there a limit to what Chinese women can do?
Jasmine Chen:
No. It’s about how hard you can work, not gender or race.
CNNGo: What do you plan to do on International Women's Day?
Jasmine Chen:
It’s my mother’s birthday, so we’ll go shopping and I’ll treat her to a nice dinner.
Name: Pan Tangxie
Native of: Shanghai
Age: 48
Profession: Government representative, Changning District
CNNGo: Is International Women's Day important to Chinese women?
Pan Tangxie:
Yes, there are not many other holidays that honor women. People are more respectful to [women] on that day.
CNNGo: Do you think Chinese women are seen as equal to men in China?
Pan Tangxie:
From an economic, family and political perspective, it’s equal. That’s especially true for Shanghai. We joke that women here are lifting two-thirds of the sky, while men are lifting one-third! But really, Shanghainese men are just very respectful and nice enough to give in to women’s wishes.
CNNGo: How has the social status of Chinese women changed from your grandmother’s to your mother’s generation and to yours?
Pan Tangxie:
Our grandmothers' generation of women had no power in society. When their husbands died, they had to listen to their sons. My mom’s generation basically was told that as women, they couldn’t compare to men. Now the education is different. If it’s not that women and men are equal, it’s that we are better! To us [shanghainese] having a girl is a very happy event -- they are more cute and obedient. Who needs naughty boys?
CNNGo: Is there a limit to what Chinese women can do?
Pan Tangxie:
There is a limit on what anyone can do, whether they are men or women.
CNNGo: What do you plan to do on International Women's Day?
Pan Tangxie:
I’ll be off to KTV and a nice dinner with my colleagues.
Name: “Xiao Pengke” (Little Punk)
Native of: Jiangxi
Age: 22
Profession: Rock star, vocalist of Boys Climbing Ropes
CNNGo: Do you think International Women's Day is important to Chinese women?
Little Punk:
Symbolically, yes. But it mattered to me more when I was in school, when we got half days off. Back then we were filled with gratitude to every woman in China!
CNNGo: Are Chinese women seen as equal to men in China?
Little Punk:
How can you measure something like equality? You really can’t. But I have a theory that the more people get along in one place, the more equal the people are. So I’d say men and women are pretty equal in Shanghai.
CNNGo: How has the social status of Chinese women changed from your grandmother’s to your mother’s generation and to yours?
Little Punk:
I’m certain that the women of my parents and my grandparents’ generations were happier than mine. Many things were arranged for them, but now, every woman has to make her own choices and find her own way in the world.
CNNGo: Who wears the pants in Chinese relationships?
Little Punk:
The person who is less attached of course! It doesn't have anything to do with gender.
CNNGo: What do you plan to do on International Women's Day?
Little Punk:
Work.
Name: Kiki Qi
Native of: Shanghai
Age: 27
Profession: Waitress at Issimo
CNNGo: Do you think International Women's Day is important to Chinese women?
Kiki Qi:
Yes it is very important. I remember, when I was a kid, my mom’s danwei [work unit] would give her a day off and a present just for her, even though, at that time, nobody had much to share. That never happened during Chinese New Year or other holidays.
CNNGo: Are Chinese women seen as equal to men in this society?
Kiki Qi:
I can’t say so for all women, but for me personally, I never look down at myself in comparison to men. I think it is because my parents didn’t try to raise me to fit in with other girls, they just taught me practical skills and how to be an honest person.
CNNGo: Who wears the pants in Chinese relationships?
Kiki Qi:
In Shanghai, it’s definitely the women. I got feedback from some male colleagues who come from other parts of China, and it seems that their girlfriends will buy shoes or gifts for them. But that would never happened in Shanghai. No way, men only give presents here.
CNNGo: How has the social status of Chinese women changed from your grandmother’s to your mother’s generation and to yours?
Kiki Qi:
My grandma was very old-fashioned. She raised four children, had no job and was committed to spending the rest of her life with my grandpa no matter what. With my mom, when she saw my dad do something wrong, she would never say anything in front of the family so he could save face. But I’d never let a man keep me quiet like that!
CNNGo: What do you plan to do on International Women's Day?
Kiki Qi:
First of all, I’ll call one of my guy friends, mention that it is International Women’s Day and drop a hint that I deserve something!
Name: Yang Jingyi
Native of: Shanghai, China
Age: 52
Profession: Elementary school teacher
CNNGo: Do you think International Women's Day is important to Chinese women?
Yang Jingyi:
Yes, of course.
CNNGo: Are Chinese women seen as equal to men in China?
Yang Jingyi:
There’s still a difference. I feel that men can find jobs more easily. In the countryside, women are just there to support men, but in the big cities, it is closer to equal.
CNNGo: How has the social status of Chinese women changed from your grandmother’s to your mother’s generation and to yours?
Yang Jingyi:
You have to talk about women's status in terms of before and after the Cultural Revolution. From my grandma’s generation (pre-CR) to my mother’s generation (post-CR), women gained a lot more decision-making ability. In these modern times, females are more and more valued by society.
CNNGo: What do you plan to do on International Women's Day?
Yang Jingyi:
I plan to enjoy myself, watch a movie and do a little shopping around the neighborhood with my co-workers.
Name: Wang Lili
Native of: Henan
Profession: Novelist
Age: Twenties
CNNGo: Do you think International Women's Day is important to Chinese women?
Wang Lili:
No.
CNNGo: Do you think the image of Shanghainese women as dominant over their men is a good or a bad thing?
Wang Lili:
It’s not good, but at the same time, it makes Shanghai one of best places for Chinese women to live in. Shanghai is a city for women, but, as everybody knows, women in Shanghai are not really friendly.
CNNGo: How has the social status of Chinese women changed from your grandmother’s to your mother’s generation and to yours?
Wang Lili:
My grandma and my mom lived in the countryside, as I did before. But now I live in a global village. They couldn’t choose their husbands, but they got good husbands by accident. I can find a husband from anywhere in the world, but I haven’t got one so far.
CNNGo: What do you plan to do on International Women's Day?
Wang Lili:
What I’ve been doing every day: feed my stomach with good, home-cooked food, feed my eyes with green trees and plants, feed my nose with the fabulous smell of flowers in the city’s free parks, feed my ears with music, give myself a massage and request a deep sleep from the God of sleep.
http://travel.cnn.com/shanghai/none/stoked-san-ba-chinese-women-international-womens-day-244829I'm taking my girl and her mother to dinner.
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Court tells cheated wives to get more evidence
(Chinadaily.com.cn)Women who believe their husbands are cheating should get more evidence as most face a disadvantage in divorce cases.
Beijing Second Intermediate People's Court has seen a rise in the number of women wanting a divorce for adultery, but they often lack the evidence needed by the court.
Most women just provide text messages, online chat or phone records as evidence, but this is normally not accepted by court.
In one case, a woman kept her husband's full online chat history detailing his adultery, but while the court showed sympathy the evidence was not enough.
The court has reminded women to keep written forms of evidence or collect video, recordings, photos or hotel records, considered strong proof.-
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Smoking Issue Wafts At Great Hall Of People
By SHAN JUAN ( China Daily)
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-03/05/content_16275713.htm
To smoke or not to smoke? That remains a question at the annual sessions of the National People's Congress and the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, a forum of China's elites.
On Sunday afternoon at the gate of the Great Hall of the People, where the CPPCC annual session opened, I saw more than 10 CPPCC members in succession smoking.
Swirling smoke occasionally blurred the entrance into the great building where, ironically, China's top legislature approved the World Health Organization Framework Convention on Tobacco Control in 2005.
Yet although it is the place where China pledged to take measures to curb tobacco use, eight years later the nation's elite, those who influence and decide the country's future, still feel free to smoke there.
"Personally, I just feel awkward in such a smoky scene, and here I call on all CPPCC members to take the lead in quitting smoking," Beijing health chief Fang Laiying, a CPPCC member, said at the first group discussion of the CPPCC sessions.
Wang Guoqiang, vice-minister of health and a CPPCC member as well, suggested a "clear-up campaign" starting around the Great Hall of the People.
"Ashtrays within and at the gate of the hall should be removed at least," he said.
During my three years' experience covering the two sessions, I saw many proposals to fight smoking, and quite a lot were from female members or deputies.
One complaint still resonates in my mind.
"Occasionally I meet some (CPPCC member) smoking at the dining table simply ignoring my frowns," she said.
Improvements, however, have been seen, and some smoking members have begun to sign proposals for strict bans in public places.
China has more than 300 million smokers, with more than half of adult males lighting up.
Of the 2,237 CPPCC members, more than 80 percent this year are male and have an average age of 56.1.
Also, they are powerful people and can easily get pricey brand-name cigarettes as gifts, so it's reasonably hard for them to quit, according to Wu Yiqun, deputy director of the Think Tank Research Center for Health Development, a Beijing-based NGO committed to tobacco control.
Besides, people under great work pressure tend to smoke to relax, and patience and time are needed to combat smoking, said Vice-Minister of Health Huang Jiefu.
"I think the key task now is to protect non-smokers from passive smoke, particularly at public places," said Huang, who is also head of the Chinese Association on Tobacco Control.
Still, even after persuading myself that his step-by-step approach was the most practical one, I saw a CPPCC member wandering in the hotel lobby smoking a cigarette — despite the no-smoking signs not far from him.
Quickly, I took out my mobile phone and snapped a shot of him, though on second thought I held back the idea of posting the photo on a micro blog.
But I still insist that the question "to smoke or not to smoke?" should no longer be asked, at least at the venues of the two sessions.Here we go again...
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a little more about China...
Having only one official time does cause practical problems, especially for people in the western provinces. Beijing is about 3.5 hours ahead of the far Western provinces, meaning that in some cases, the official time is already 10 AM when the sun rises in places like Xinjiang and Tibet. Since many of the people in those provinces are ethnic minorities, they sometimes feel that the use of BST is oppressive and unnecessary. Additionally, many farming communities throughout the country just use their own time zone, since agricultural work has to be done when the sun is out, regardless of the time
Hong Kong and Macau both use their own time, called Hong Kong Time (HKT) and Macau Standard Time (MST), both of which are Coordinated Universal Time, plus 8 hours (UTC+8). Neither region uses daylight savings time. Many areas in Western China, particularly Xinjiang, also work on their own unofficial time zone. Though this sometimes has political implications, it's usually more of a practical move. For instance, stores sometimes work on modified times so that people can conveniently shop in them.
Before the establishment of the PRC, China was divided into five time zones. From east to west, they were Changpai Time Zone, Chungyuan Standard Time Zone, Kansu-Szechuan Time Zone, Sinkiang-Tibet Time Zone, and Kunlun Time Zone, ranging from GMT + 8.5 to 5.5 respectively. After the single time zone was introduced, China did use daylight savings time for a while, from 1986 to 1991, but it was considered inconvenient and dropped.
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Living in Montana is not helping her
partial joke because while I love Montana I know it is "white people" country and there seems to be engrained racism there.Montana Democratic Governor Brian Schweitzer told the Ohio Democratic Party recently that Montanans are “white, racist rednecks.”:
“All over Montana, you can walk into a bar, a café or even a school or a courthouse and just listen for a while as people talk to each other,” Schweitzer explained, shortly after noting 93 percent of his state’s population is classified as Caucasian. “And you will hear somebody, before very long, say something outrageously racist about the people who’ve lived in Montana for 10,000 years.”
Having a thick skin is mandatory. Just my ten cents, go griz go cats
I'm yellow people...
Lao po is feeling the press of discrimination; some real and some not.
I struggling to keep her positive.
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Daylight Saving Time? What is that?
Of course there is no such thing in China where changing the clock does not affect the amount of daylight saved or lost. Japan, India, and China are the only major industrialized countries that do not observe some form of daylight saving. 
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I am preparing a case, with a letter from my mom's doctor to me saying she is dying. I think I can make a compelling case. My wife does have one visa stamp in her book, Thailand. 70 year old mother has none.
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we have experience in Wuhan - we own one completed apartment and an unfininished townhouse. My wife's brother and my mother in law have just finished apartments too and we know of good contractors here. I think we need to talk about it. my wife is great about getting things done here - we are here for one more week so let's get together - e-mail me
Marty
Yes sir, I got the blueprint.
Then my girl headed off to a show of 400 contractors all vying to get work. Of course I was ordered to NOT GO. She narrowed it down to eight, interviewed them (read: grilled), then went for a package costing 99999RMB that normally cost a bunch more. She knew this company but thought it was too expensive but they made her a deal she could not pass. Yes, Marty, it is the same one we talked about that day we met.The link to their deal is here: http://www.jhzs.com.cn/Cases/Cases-430.aspThis is an example:http://www.jhzs.com.cn/Images/UpFile/2011628161215969.jpgAnyway, they do everything and we pick the details. Kudos to my lady for pulling the trigger! Word is we will move in this October.
Marriage certificate in May. Official celebration in October?
in General Visa Discussion & First Steps
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No immigration here but got the marriage registered 12.12.12 and the wedding is 13.05.18