Bparks777

www.FlyChina.com Got me my 1 year multiple entry within 5 days, also answered many questions via phone, two thumbs up!

Never thought there was such thing as too much information, just trying to being as thorough, and informed as possible.

Just another question. For a while we heavily used Facebook to communicate. Many of you know that Facebook is blocked in much of China. She is a big technology enthusiast, and so has used VPNs to access many blocked websites including youtube, Hulu, etc. My concern is, we will use Facebook as part of our proof of Bona Fide relationship. Even though it is an American consulate, do you think they will care that she has used VPNs to access parts of the web that are otherwise off limits? I mean I don't want her getting into any trouble... We lately have been using Ipod messenger, Yahoo mail, Skype, Face time, as well as hand written postage, all of which are not blocked. Facebook was mostly in the early parts of communication.

I have only been here about a month, but dnoblett has helped me in numerous ways already. I look forward to going forward with his and many others guidance... Thank you CFL.

Does anybody have any tips, or hints as how to keep organized through this? At the end of every month I step back and pull/download, and archive our Emails Facebook chats Iphone texts Skype call logs Facebook profile pages Print out finances that reflect expenses attributing (bank statements, receipts) Any applicable travel itineraries Mail Maybe I am just over worrying but I still feel as if I'm lacking an organizational side to this...... any tips? I

Noted, thank you! I technically asked her to be mine which she agreed to... I made it apparent that I wanted to do it properly, and make it special for her. We will be sure to talk everything out so we are positive about being on the same page. I'll be sure to briefly mention the disconnection, but not dig too deep into the subject. Thanks for the concern and tips.

I would like to add just for details sake, something I might of overlooked making known. We have talked in depth about us intending to be together, how to properly go about it, and the details involved. In spite of this there has not be an official proposal, and we are not technically engaged. I wanted to wait, and make it nice for her, bring a ring, get on a knee at Shanghai's pearl tower you know the whole 9 yards. I already have 3 trips planned to go back to Shanghai this year. In conclusion of 2012 I will have been with her in January, May, August, and December. I am planning on making a proper proposal, and engagement in either August or December. We will have had about a year from our first physical meeting, and 3/4 trips before we are properly engaged and file our petition. I believe this should help in removing us from an impuslive category? I would describe : Met in a chat room, Kept in contact through electronic means Facebook, Skype, IMessage. June 2011 started talking at an increasingly frequent basis, January 2012 physically met in Shanghai to celebrate the Chinese new year, after 2/3 returning trips decided we wanted to marry, August/December became engaged, filed petition shortly afterwards.

I think I am starting to understand better. I am really starting to try to break down how I want to theme, and convey our case. I am starting to feel more confident, I know we will get the visa, just a matter of time, and persistence. I refuse to believe the idea that Guangzhou consulates are monsters. I can't imagine they wake up with hopes of ruining good peoples relationships, and because we have a legit relationship, with nothing to hide, it's only a matter of properly portraying that. Im sure someone wouldn't live on the other side of the planet to do their job poorly, and the weight of our case being approved, is really in our hands, not to chance. From what I have been studying we are far from any potential common red flags. She will have adequate financial support. All of our friends and family know, and support our decisions and would be willing to show this. We have plenty of evidence as to the validity of our relationship, will have proof of intent to marry (rings, engagement ceremonies (in traditional Chinese style, and dress "IM PUMPED how cool is that"), booked venues with floating dates, etc). We decided to be smart, rather then impulsive and wait to finish some matters before hand (school, getting some money saved) by time of interview, our relationship will have had time to properly mature. I will have 6-8 trips to see her under my belt, will be at the embassy for the interview. Her english is very proper which cannot hurt, no kids, no major age difference, no criminal background, a dislike towards the CCP. Documents will be front loaded and organized as well as possible. I figure if I can properly, and precisely present all the above, without wasting their time I'm sure she wont have a problem. Correct me if I am wrong, but general consensus is that the consulates decision will more than likely decided before even entering the interview. Based on the cold hard facts of the paper work , and proper front loaded documents. The interview is a chance to endorse their decision, or lose their decision. I cant imagine that they would simply deny our case, maybe at most issue a RFE, and in that case If I'm not mistaken for the most part, RFE's are sufficed and cases are overcome. Sorry if the above is a bit fragmented. I am at work juggling papers, and researching this

Ok so K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid. Straight forward, to the point got it.

To me... your back to a distracting point... can you prove you have known each other for 5 years? Can you prove it is the same lady you knew before? I would be careful of stating exact time unless you can show it with some proof. I would keep the prior thing very simply stated; not as how long you have known each other. I think your trying to use that as leverage as a length of the relationship but without really hard proof I think you'll have to keep it a little more simple as others have advised. The VO is known to ask to see 'early' communication... what if they asked for something from the 'first meeting'... you can see how it can get denied real quick if you press a point which cannot be supported with evidence. Then it's game over. You want the VO to believe what you write. And they are willing to... but sometimes they want to 'verify' with some simple questions or request for evidence. So in my situation would you just hold the first time we can provide physical evidence as our first meeting? I know I'm pretty much asking you to spoon feed me, please bare with me.

Perfect, thanks for the advice. Im feeling more and more confident in our case . After some thinking and talking about timing, we decided to start the petition in August - December. By the time we have our interview come around, we will have known each other for near 5 years, and would have been romantically involved for about 1 1/2 years. Given our situation, I cant think of any reason they could find to deny us a K1. With proper planning, and patience this can only go right, again thanks for the all the help, now and future.

Like I've said, explanations often come across as excuses. You might mention it as an initial contact, which was resumed later on Facebook. No reason at all to paint it as a disconnect of any kind. It's your choice - just remember that you want to paint a picture of what you've got. The information you give here is a believable explanation, but, in my judgement, needlessly distracts from your story. Oh ok, sorry I wasn't really following on this matter. So if I were to pretty much explain that "we met on a fun anonymous chat site, exchanged info, continued speaking on myspace, which then later transcended to us speaking on FaceBook, we became more interested in each other, leading to our first meeting in Shanghai and so on". Rather than drawing attention to the fact that we lost contact. Just illustrate the course our communication has taken. Point is to give what is asked, summarizing, and not over answering a question right? Sorry I wasn't completely following on your earlier tips.

A question? See we met on a fun little anonymous chat room. We hit it off, exchanged info, and started talking on a regular basis on myspace. My account was hacked, and some very inappropriate emails were sent out. In my attempt to stop them from reaching their destinations I deleted my account, meanwhile out of the rush to stop the emails, I forgot to write down her info. At the time she didn't have access to Facebook, but she knew some basic info about me, where I lived, my name, etc. Fast forward a couple years, she now has a Facebook, and probably about 6 months after registering she messaged me, I added her as a friend, we started talking again, I visited her to experience the Chinese New Year, and thus sparked a relationship. I do not have evidence of an initial meeting, how would you guys suggest I present that aspect? The only real thing I can prove is that a girl from Shanghai messaged me in May 2011. Would it come off as fishy if I just simply explained what happen? Losing contact, then regaining contact?

I just want to take a moment to really thank all of you. Even though we are strangers you guys have been the source for a lot of my comfort. I know I came off as freaking out, I was. Who can blame me? My life, and priorities have changed so drastically. It can go a bit ballistic in the head. Thanks for your support, and thank you for the knowledge. I am taking this slow, and will be sure to make this case as organized and logical as humanly possible. I know we will be together, we are dedicated and understand it may take some time. We understand the first time around may not go as we hope, and that this process may get messy. I wish you all could meet her. As of now I am trying to stop worrying so much, and I am just simply enjoying knowing I have a wonderful woman, and taking happiness in that we are together, and that even if there is distance that's simply logistical. Once again thank you all, and thanks in advance for all the help, support, and encouragement you will offer in the future. With love, and hope. -Brian

So my question? We technically did meet 3 years ago, but I don't think we can even prove that. So do I start from where we picked back up with no mention of previous events? We started talking again consistantly again in May 2011, I will file for the petition I'm lookin at the end of August-December. I am planning on properly proposing to her with a ring and everything in August. So by the time our interview rolls around we would have about 2 years of consistant daily communication, with plenty of evidence. including probably 6 or so trips of me visiting. I keep on trying to explain to myself, that the consulates at GUZ are logical, reasonable people. I tell myself that, we both are clean no records, we have a legit relationship, have nothing to hide, no kids, no previous spouses, no previous petitions, our age is similiar, she speaks perfect English, we waited, and took our time, have financial support, family support, and that we are simply two people that happen to love eachother, we dont really raise any red flags, and with proper preparing we have nothing to worry about. So in your honest opinion, with proper preparing, and utilization of info and support here. We will be just fine don't you think? Whether it be her going through her k1 visa the first time, or us resorting to using a cr-1 / k3 of some sort. Reason we wanted to use a k1 was becaus it would allow extra time for planning, and we could put together 2 nice ceremonies. But just for my minds sake, I think this is a solid case, and we will be fine?

I heard about it on the news while in China. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-01/20/c_131370380.htm To say if it will actually help or not is debatable....

I just want to mention, most of my posts are done while at work. So I tend to type quickly and maybe make couple grammatical mistakes. I am usually running between 1,000 things. Just to address 1. She found me once. She didn't stalk me down, she knew I had a Facebook, but at the original time we met, she didn't have access to it. Some time after we lost contact she ended up being able to access facebook, and new enough about me to find me pretty easily. On my part sifting through myspace to find a Shen, Chen in Shanghai was not that simple. But people make it sound like she is hunting me down, on the prowl for my visa, there is no real reason to believe that. People lose contact, and people find each other again. 2. I am going to ditch the lawyer, in favor of the knowledge here. 3. Correct me if I am wrong but any co sponsors, even if my income is adequate would be helpful right? 4. I plan on consolidating evidence into its most powerful form, but I also plan on presenting the quantity also. 5. We are waiting for her to Finish her degree, and it's mainly because its something she WANTS to do, whether it be peace of mind or whatever reason, I told her I would respect any needs she has. I figure we have time on our side as of now and any length from us meeting in person to when we file will just be beneficial?. I would love to marry her, and whatever way it needs to be done, will be done. We are both committed, and understand this wont be easy. I'm here to gather as much information as possible before hand to make educated decisions. From what I have heard the best way to do this would be wait for the K1 visa, but if need be, we have no problem pursuing a k3. It's all about playing the game of chess strategically, as to not play cards when not necessary at the moment. 6. With much research, and talking to different groups on the phone, it's actually not very difficult for say a Chinese nurse to become qualified to work here, it's mainly just certification, but she would not be required to retake her classes. I am sorry if I come off worried, but I am. I have found someone very dear to me. It should be between (Me, and her) our relationship now has Uncle Sam putting his big boot in, I understand why. I need encouragement, because I tend to beat myself up, because people always look to me for the one with answers, or solutions and right now I don't have any. To be completely honest. I am like you said " I am stuck in overdrive" and I don't know how to stop it? Problem is I am a very goal, and action oriented person. Waiting games get to me, I want to at least have a sailing course, so even if not "sailing" I at least know the details of what needs to be done. I cant help but spend all my time researching material, and the overwhelming presence of everything just gets me lost sometimes. I found someone very dear to me. I want to be with her, but that keeps forcing me I'm trying to sleep, get up and open the computer to read. The real question is, how did all of you do it? How were you able to keep from going nuts with worry? Does it get easier? How do you guys handle shutting the computer and resting? Please keep in mind not to get upset with me, I am moldable, I not set on any path yet. I will do whatever is best, You guys are the experts, I am not. Encourage me, and please educate me.

So one question? Around next summer June or July she will have a bit of time off, I was hoping to see if I could get her to come here on a tourist visa, so she could meet more of my family, I would like to take her to Disney, Universal studios you know... do the tourist, Florida things. She might be interested in visiting campuses to specialize her nursing in various aspects. How impossible do you think it would be for her to get a tourist visa for a 2 week stay? I hear that the United States is trying to lax up non immigrant approvals in countries like China and so forth, claiming that over 90% will be granted? What do you guys think? 21 year old Chinese girl... Think she even has a chance to get a tourist visa?

A legitimate question, what would you consider adding to my list? A serious question

Cool, In my case I researched the process and followed a couple guides. Used VJ's guide to organize the petition here: http://www.visajourn...om&page=k1guide Studied the process in this book: http://www.amazon.co...n/dp/1413312543 From a quick search of Amazon I spotted this one: http://www.amazon.co.../dp/1453889620/ (from quick look it may be helpful) Our case was simple, no prior marriages, she was an English teacher, my income was stable and sufficient, we had a good length of online relationship, so no issues. I did the paperwork from I-129F petition to Adjustment of status, Removal of conditions, and Naturalization, no problems, just study the process before making the big jump. Purchased them, will be sure to read and understand them. I have already been studying on Visa Journey, very helpful. Thanks Dnoblett!

Also I am becoming more and more comfortable with the idea of approaching this without a lawyer. I am finding this site very helpful and nurturing in this area. Please understand my concern as this is a huge process! I my worry of hurting my chances, by making a stupid clerical error.

As I said in the begging, I as of now have Travel itinerary for at least 5 trips in a yaer. Hotel bills. Resteraunt bills. Mailing receipts Tons of pictures Over 1800 pages of contact showing at least 10-12 hours of daily conversing (this will not be presented at a treasure hunt, I will context if they are interested in searching in detail) Evidence of me meeting her ETIRE family, spending time with them. Letters hand written between us. Screen shots of Skype, face time. Evidence of proposal. Intent to marry, Including booked venues with floating dates Family support of relationship. Letters, from teachers, bosses mentors. This list will continue until this interview actually comes. Which we are going to shoot for about july august next year. Although I entirely appreciate your concern, and not to start a poo fight like most forums end up as. No disrespect meant, but it seems you two may have taken some things out of context without following to the rest of the conversation, so just to clear up this matter. As a disclaimer *The video was presented as entertainment purpose on this website, I know that the consulate will not care about it, and I never intended to present it as evidence, this was started as a little fun way to keep in contact with her from a far.*

First, the only reason I mentioned the passport having other countries in it, was because Amero proposed that my passport ONLY having China in it might present some concern, as to this might be some kind of connection to fraud Second none of this will be even started until at soonest may, but more likely August. Im not rushing into anything here, its been thought through more than you can begin to know, and there is still time. I Don't see what the problem is trying to harvest as much information about this project before jumping in. Wouldn't that be the proper thing to do? I never mentioned that I wanted to submit the video as evidence, I couldn't as electronic possessions have to be left outside....? The only reason I put it up was just for entertainment purposes period.

Probably not an error, forum settings are for a max of 3 quote blocks, to reduce on runaway nested quotes.. Noted for future posts, thank you.

I keep hearing absolute horror stories about how the consulates in Guangzhou are monsters that find joy in denying visas... Is this true? Should I be super worried? Do you guys think I have honest, pretty safe case? I also see shreds of comfort where people with a decent amount of relationship proof, pictures, daily contacts, chats, proof of marriage intent, so on. Proof of decent financial support, where the beneficiary enters the room, the interviewer asks 4 questions then says, Congratulations! I hope you two have a great life together! Is it that the Guangzhou consulates are really horror monsters, or just like any other consulates? I know Guangzhou deals with frequent fraud. The question is if its organized, and legit do I really have to worry to death? Am I running into the horror stories because after approval many people fall out of the loop? I cannot find any real stats on approvals in Guangzhou.... I have checked what causes red flags, we don't fit any of them. My financial support is good, we have a ton of relationship proof, and daily contact! What do you guys really think? Am I going to get crushed in 12 or so months? Or do you think this will work out?