Renouncing CCP Membership (aka quitting the party)

[scovitz]

(Not sure if this is the right forum, if not please move.)

My fiancee has received the P5 for her K-1 and we are preparing for her to finally arrive in the U.S. She wants to and believes she needs to quit the Communist Party (CCP). Interestingly, she cannot find a bunch of information about this. Does anyone know what is the best way to quit the Communist Party? Is there a formal process to follow? I read the CCP FAQ on this site which states that you just stop paying and then after some time you just stop being a member. Just curious if anyone had some new or recent information about this.

Thanks,

-scovitz

[dnoblett]

No need to do this. There are many members of this site that dealt with the CCP issue when interviewing for visa that never formally renounced membership.

[dnoblett]

The process of issuing withdrawal statements is referred to in Chinese as "Tuìdǎng" (退党), which can be translated as "withdraw from the party" or "quit the party." The term is something of a misnomer, as average citizens aren't able to officially leave the party and risk imprisonment if they speak out against it. Many participants feel, however, that leaving the CCP is a moral act, one that separates them from the CCP's history of violence and corruption. This is analogous to a German living under Nazi rule formally stating that he (or she) does not support the actions of the Nazi regime, and is not a part of that political movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuidang_movement#Withdrawing_from_the_Party

 

If she wants to make a statement after arriving in the USA, then perhaps could make it here:

http://tuidang.epochtimes.com/

[Randy W]

(Not sure if this is the right forum, if not please move.)

 

My fiancee has received the P5 for her K-1 and we are preparing for her to finally arrive in the U.S. She wants to and believes she needs to quit the Communist Party (CCP). Interestingly, she cannot find a bunch of information about this. Does anyone know what is the best way to quit the Communist Party? Is there a formal process to follow? I read the CCP FAQ on this site which states that you just stop paying and then after some time you just stop being a member. Just curious if anyone had some new or recent information about this.

 

Thanks,

 

-scovitz

 

 

To formally quit the party involves an interaction WITH the party - which may be counter-productive since it may require additional investigation.

[Randy W]

 

The process of issuing withdrawal statements is referred to in Chinese as "Tuìdǎng" (退党), which can be translated as "withdraw from the party" or "quit the party." The term is something of a misnomer, as average citizens aren't able to officially leave the party and risk imprisonment if they speak out against it. Many participants feel, however, that leaving the CCP is a moral act, one that separates them from the CCP's history of violence and corruption. This is analogous to a German living under Nazi rule formally stating that he (or she) does not support the actions of the Nazi regime, and is not a part of that political movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuidang_movement#Withdrawing_from_the_Party

 

If she wants to make a statement after arriving in the USA, then perhaps could make it here:

http://tuidang.epochtimes.com/

 

 

 

It's not clear that we want to be advising people to be joining this movement, Dan - from the Wikipedia article

 

Communist Party response

The Communist Party authorities and public security agencies have responded to the Tuidang movement through censorship and coercive measures, including the arrest of dozens of participants.

 

[dnoblett]

Just pointing out no easy way to renounce, and doing so can have negative consequences with regard to the home country.

 

If fiance is not a political type, then best to leave it be, renouncing membership is not a requirement of residency.

[Randy W]

While we're at it, we can mention Tibet, Taiwan Independence, and the Falun Gong all the same sentence and see if we can't really rattle the Great Firewall.

 

 

A more level-headed response might be more helpful, especially if they're interested in possibly getting a visa without the usual blue slip delay -

 

Download MS Word Document contributed by member, Cathy & Bruce: CCP Essay

[Randy W]

The John F.Roth and Associates law firm was able to research the applicable standards for review, and counsel their client on how to present her Communist Party membership during the Consular interview. - "Laurie's memorandum" is apparently no longer available, but many of the applicable standards are covered in Cathy & Bruce's Word Document.

 

CCP and Consular Processing

 

Many people believe that recent Communist Party membership will unavoidably lead to a lengthy delay in visa issuance after the Consular interview. This is not necessarily the case. Recently we helped a client obtain a K-1 visa at the Guangzhou U.S. Consulate even though she was still a member of the Chinese Communist party on the day of the interview. We had helped clients in the past obtain visas who had left the Party months earlier, but this was our first attempt at a visa for a beneficiary who was still a CCP member when interviewed (although she was in the process of letting the membership lapse). Because this was a particularly challenging case, I asked a young attorney on my staff, Laurie Wu¹ to research and write a legal memorandum on the applicable standards for review in such cases, and we used these results to counsel our client on how to present her Communist Party membership during the Consular interview. The beneficiary fiancee's visa was approved on the day of the interview. The Consulate was apparently convinced by our presentation that the beneficiary's participation was "non-meaningful", and thus they did not feel the need to order a Security Advisory Opinion from the State Department (which would have delayed visa issuance by several weeks). So, the visa could be approved immediately. I attach Laurie's memorandum hereto for the benefit of those struggling with similar issues.