My wife's Horror Story from Guangzhou,

[Gary & Xie]

Hi everybody.

 

I want to take a few moments of your time to bring everyone up to speed on everything that has transpired since my last plead for your help with my 20 year old Chinese step daughters situation. I have enrolled my daughter into an English school in Nanning China where she is excelling. I am so proud of her.

 

On September 08-14-2010 my wife received her packet from Guangzhou. On September 1st 2010 at 7:15am my wife had her first interview in Guangzhou where she was ask 4 questions.

 

These are the questions they ask her.

 

• Where is your husband?
• Why has your husband only been to China to see you just one time for only 62 days sense you got married?
• How did you meet your husband?
• How do you and your husband communicate with each other?

My wife answered all these questions very good and she was always very polite to the VO. She was given a blue slip of paper requesting more information and said our love and marriage was not a bona fide love and marriage, which is totally BS.

 

My wife and I were devastated by these results. My wife cried for a solid week until she was sick. I did my best to comfort her by telling her that we can fix this little problem and that it was just a little bump in our road of love.

 

We gather up all the information they requested and a lot more and she turned it into the Consulate Guangzhou on September 17th 2010. I sent everything they requested from me to my wife by DHL the fastest way possible.

 

Just as soon as the NVC had sent the case files to Guangzhou 05-14-2010. I sent my wife a copy of everything, the kitchen sink all 17lbs. My wife was so surprised of how much information she had setting in front of her. She got some help and started learning and studying all this information I sent to her. My wife probably knows more about all her immigration documents then I do now.

 

On 10- 29-2010 my wife received a letter from the consulate in Guangzhou for a second interview any Monday thru Wednesday between the hours of 1:30pm to 3:00pm. I thought this was strange. This is how my wife’s second interview went. My wife approached the VO and said good morning. She works in public relations so I do know how polite she is always. The VO never acknowledges her so she thought to VO never heard her so she said good morning again in English and was ignored once again. I thought this was very rude of the VO. The VO started reading some documents and NEVER asks her ANY questions at all. The only thing the VO said to my wife was for her to go to window No 30 to get the results. These are my wife’s exact words to the VO. How could you let my lonely husband live in America alone, for no body care. My wife insisted that he tell her why she was denied and received this white slip of paper. Now she was angry and she was screaming I love my American husband and how can you do this to us. Then it got ugly the VO ask security to take my wife away. She did go but not before saying what she wanted to say so everyone could here.

 

I know her actions were not acceptable in the Consulate, but any one of us who love our wife like I do would have done exactly the samething if this happened to one of us. I am trying to find away for her to send a letter of apology to the Consulate, or is this something that needs to be done? My wife is probably not the first Chinese woman to loose her cool over a white denial slip.

 

My question to everyone of you is there any way to overcome this white slip 221(g) not a bona fide relationship which is BS? I have already called DOS the NVC, and USCIS. I was told there is nothing I can do until the case files are sent back to the CIS. Is there anyway the case files can stay at Guangzhou and this problem be solved with out sending the case back to CIS for review and possibly termination of the case?

 

I was told by DOS that it could take up to 120 days for Guangzhou to just send the case to the CIS, which is also BS. No one cares if our wives and husbands have to wait all this time and be separated from the ones we love. My wife and I have no intention of defrauding anyone for any reason. We don’t expect anything for nothing. We try our best to do everything the right way the first time. I am still devastated by Guangzhou actions.

 

Now I am mad and want to do something so my wife and I can be together in the States. If anyone has any suggestion please feel free to give me your help or opinion. To my wife and me it may be possibly another 6 months to a year of separation.

 

I was told by DOS that once the case files are reviewed by CIS that they will notified me by mail of the exact reason for my wife’s denial. The CIS will give me a chance to try and prove that our love and marriage is true love and a bona fide relationship. Is this information correct that DOS told me? Or is this BS too?

 

I have got to the point where the only ones I truly believe in any more are the good people on these forms. So please if anyone knows what I need to do now please feel free to tell me. If anyone needs or wants to discuss my situation with me just ask for my email address and I will gladly give it to you. I love my wife with all my heart and she loves me back with the same enthusiasm are even more if that is possible.

 

Thank you for taking the time to read my plea for your help once again.

 

Gary.

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[xiaofeizhu]

I am sorry to hear about your troubles. Take some time to read others' stories...there are some good stories, and there are some bad stories. I cannot say that I know what it feels like, but I do know that many on this board do know the feelings you are experiencing and hopefully some of them will come along with better advice as to what you should do. We are all at the mercy of GUZ and all of the other people involved in the immigration process, and I am sure it is very frustrating to see you wife in this situation. If I am correct, all you really can do right now is wait. I know this is not the proactive approach you are probably hoping for, but with these things, sometimes it is all you can do. If you feel your wife was treated unfairly or discriminated against, it might make you feel better to put in a complaint or something, but you may not want that on your "record" (assuming that it will end up there). All of us believe that the love we have between our spouses/future spouses is true, and in your case, and yes, it seems unfair that we need to prove it to someone who may or may not believe us. However, this is a good time to "improve" your love in the eyes of GUZ. Visit her if you can, and try to do things to show that you are a bonafide couple. Any true bonafide couple on this board will not let GUZ come between them. Last of all, be there for you wife. I am sure she feels guilty or that she did something wrong, but she is not to blame, so make sure you are even more supportive of her during this emotional rollercoaster. I truly hope that you two are able to overcome this speed bump and I know that your love will help you make it through. I know this post was not much help, but I hope that it helped you feel better even in some small way.

[Wayne2010]

Hi Gary,

 

I am very sorry to hear this story, and for sure can relate to your frustration and the feeling of helplessness. There are so many people who either have been, or are currently experiencing similar results.

 

After my wife received her ¡°blue¡± slip at her initial K3 interview, I was certain it was a mistake, and it could be simply rectified by submitting the requested information. Less than 30 days later she received notice of the CR1 interview. The results were staggering. I could not believe the VO would not take the time to review the new information, or give her the opportunity to explain. She was quickly given a white slip and turned away. As of today we do not know anything more than the standard ¡°non-bonafide relationship¡± that appeared on the paper. That was 6 Feb 2010.

 

It was only after the shocking event at the second interview did I begin searching the internet for answers. Even more shocking was what I found.

 

During my search I ran across a few good articles which gave me hope to prevent the return of the documents to USCIS. I quickly made plane reservations for Chongqing (where my wife lives) so we could travel together to Guangzhou to plea our case during their weekly ¡°citizen¡± hour. You can read my posts under ¡°Frustration¡± for details, but the bottom line resulted in ¡°your case is going back to USCIS¡±. On 1 April 2010 the papers returned to USCIS.

 

The next day we hired an attorney, but it was too late to change the course. After about 4 months of waiting I contacted the local USCIS office in Dallas. They didn¡¯t and don¡¯t have a clue. The officer I spoke with said give it another 45 days. I walked away empty handed. After the time period passed I tried to call the office listed on the website. Punching every button on the keypad only resulted in disgust.

 

The next try was to contact my congressman. After three tries I finally was able to get enough attention that one office checked the status. I was given the same ¡°45¡± day story. I am now on my third try, still waiting and hoping that we will hear soon. If you have not tried the senator or Ombudsman approach, I would suggest you try. As long as you use common respect for their position I do not believe it will hurt your case. Judging by the ¡°touch date¡± on the USCIS website they record every action taken on your case, and the fact you show concern is positive. If you have an attorney please get his input, if you don¡¯t, you may want to contact someone so as to be prepared in the event you are sent an NOIR.

 

As for my wife, I feel totally responsible for being so naive. If I had done more research I ¡°may¡± have been able to avoid some of the grief. Although I do not know your specific circumstances, I do understand how such events can impact your life. Every single day that passes my wife dominates my thoughts. The wait is painful and as you ride the roller coaster of life with the government in control it almost seems unbearable. Try to be patient, and show unfaltering love to your wife for you are both in the boat together.

[warpedbored]

Time to lawyer up. You need an attorney who is familiar with the consulate in GZ and knows about NOIR. (white slips) The only lawyer I would consider is Marc Ellis. He is pretty much the authority on NOIR. Read every post in the forum "Ellis' Island" for a good idea of what you are up against.

Good luck.

[tsap seui]

Hi everybody. I want to take a few moments of your time to bring everyone up to speed on everything that has transpired since my last plead for your help with my 20 year old Chinese step daughters situation. I have enrolled my daughter into an English school in Nanning China where she is excelling. I am so proud of her. On September 08-14-2010 my wife received her packet from Guangzhou. On September 1st 2010 at 7:15am my wife had her first interview in Guangzhou where she was ask 4 questions. These are the questions they ask her. Where is your husband? Why has your husband only been to China to see you just one time for only 62 days sense you got married? How did you meet your husband? How do you and your husband communicate with each other? My wife answered all these questions very good and she was always very polite to the VO. She was given a blue slip of paper requesting more information and said our love and marriage was not a bona fide love and marriage, which is totally BS. My wife and I were devastated by these results. My wife cried for a solid week until she was sick. I did my best to comfort her by telling her that we can fix this little problem and that it was just a little bump in our road of love. We gather up all the information they requested and a lot more and she turned it into the Consulate Guangzhou on September 17th 2010. I sent everything they requested from me to my wife by DHL the fastest way possible. Just as soon as the NVC had sent the case files to Guangzhou 05-14-2010. I sent my wife a copy of everything, the kitchen sink all 17lbs. My wife was so surprised of how much information she had setting in front of her. She got some help and started learning and studying all this information I sent to her. My wife probably knows more about all her immigration documents then I do now. On 10- 29-2010 my wife received a letter from the consulate in Guangzhou for a second interview any Monday thru Wednesday between the hours of 1:30pm to 3:00pm. I thought this was strange. This is how my wife¡¯s second interview went. My wife approached the VO and said good morning. She works in public relations so I do know how polite she is always. The VO never acknowledges her so she thought to VO never heard her so she said good morning again in English and was ignored once again. I thought this was very rude of the VO. The VO started reading some documents and NEVER asks her ANY questions at all. The only thing the VO said to my wife was for her to go to window No 30 to get the results. These are my wife¡¯s exact words to the VO. How could you let my lonely husband live in America alone, for no body care. My wife insisted that he tell her why she was denied and received this white slip of paper. Now she was angry and she was screaming I love my American husband and how can you do this to us. Then it got ugly the VO ask security to take my wife away. She did go but not before saying what she wanted to say so everyone could here. I know her actions were not acceptable in the Consulate, but any one of us who love our wife like I do would have done exactly the samething if this happened to one of us. I am trying to find away for her to send a letter of apology to the Consulate, or is this something that needs to be done? My wife is probably not the first Chinese woman to loose her cool over a white denial slip. My question to everyone of you is there any way to overcome this white slip 221(g) not a bona fide relationship which is BS? I have already called DOS the NVC, and USCIS. I was told there is nothing I can do until the case files are sent back to the CIS. Is there anyway the case files can stay at Guangzhou and this problem be solved with out sending the case back to CIS for review and possibly termination of the case? I was told by DOS that it could take up to 120 days for Guangzhou to just send the case to the CIS, which is also BS. No one cares if our wives and husbands have to wait all this time and be separated from the ones we love. My wife and I have no intention of defrauding anyone for any reason. We don¡¯t expect anything for nothing. We try our best to do everything the right way the first time. I am still devastated by Guangzhou actions. Now I am mad and want to do something so my wife and I can be together in the States. If anyone has any suggestion please feel free to give me your help or opinion. To my wife and me it may be possibly another 6 months to a year of separation. I was told by DOS that once the case files are reviewed by CIS that they will notified me by mail of the exact reason for my wife¡¯s denial. The CIS will give me a chance to try and prove that our love and marriage is true love and a bona fide relationship. Is this information correct that DOS told me? Or is this BS too? I have got to the point where the only ones I truly believe in any more are the good people on these forms. So please if anyone knows what I need to do now please feel free to tell me. If anyone needs or wants to discuss my situation with me just ask for my email address and I will gladly give it to you. I love my wife with all my heart and she loves me back with the same enthusiasm are even more if that is possible. Thank you for taking the time to read my plea for your help once again. Gary.

 

 

Man, I am sorry to hear you and your wifes story. I sit here all alone on Christmas just as you and so many others who the criminal acts of the DOS hooligans in Guangzhou have affected our lives.

 

This whole "Homeland Security" crap and the potential for scamming by, mainly, Chinese women has been long ago taken way beyond any reasonable credibility.

 

The heartless acts of the Department of State officials, particularily, in China, and their singular "speculation and conjecture" on cases before them has become the REAL SCAM.

 

The term, "Did not prove a bona fide relationship at the interview" is nothing more than a bald face lie for the DOS personal to hide behind.

 

With that said, Gary....I have no other way to put it nicely or blunt the message for you and your wife...you are going to have to wait. Wait, until your case is sent back from the criminals in the State Department at the consulate in Guangzhou to the folks within your USCIS service center.

 

Then you will have to wait until the USCIS reviews your case, sends you the statements the DOS made against you and your wife, and gives you a limitied amount of time to rebut those charges, send it back to USCIS, and then they review your rebuttal.

 

I suggest you try all the congressional inquirys and other approaches you can dream up or are suggested....but...it's not going to make one bit of difference in your wait. What it will do is give you something to do, and it will show your wife you are trying your best.

 

Not trying to dampen your already ruined Christmas but openly and honestly speaking from years of experience...between you and me, your time would be much better off going out and flying a kite as the DOS is above reproach, they have no oversight, including your lame duck congressman (they ALL are impotent lame ducks in cases like this) and you will have to simply wait on the bastards.

 

Now, what can you look forward to? What can you hope for? Let's hope the DOS quickly sends your case back to the NVC, who will send it to your local USCIS service center you filed through. Then, let's hope the USCIS quickly looks at your case, sends you the rebuttal information, and adjucates your case quickly....and by quickly, I don't mean some governmental forked tongue speak like "timely manner"....that's just more bullshit.

 

The USCIS doesn't always adhere to the smoke screen "non bona fide relationship" sent to them by the DOS. No, they have their own mind and they know the DOS is full of shit. They may well reafirm your case, and then again, they could show you something you didn't have a cue about....I hate the DOS with a vengence, but it is NOT a blind hatred.

 

The DOS lets many more scammers through than they catch so their approach is a blank one....everybody is guilty until proven innocent....The catch-22 is simply this....as you've found out so clearly, the DOS doesn't give you and your girl the courtesy of looking at your evience, even when they ask for it, TO PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE.

 

To the DOS, innocence is only proven by YOU.....and here is that awful word again....WAITING. Waiting a year and a half, or TWO.

 

Brother, I don't have an easier way of putting it to you. There is NO magic formula! Miracles do happen, and you know how often they happen, but they do happen. So, you try everything you can find to make them happen. It keeps you busy... for awhile.

 

I know your wife is devastated now, as are you. I profusely apologize for not being able to be Santa Claus on this Christmas Day....hell, I struggle to keep my own spirits up on freakin' days like this, BUT the thing is, I DO, and my wife has learned to do the same. I well expect you and your wife will do the same, as many before you have done.

 

You NEVER let the f'in DOS win. You hang in there with each other. When one has a bad day the other boosts them up. Losing focus of your goals is NOT allowed.

 

The f'in DOS may have the power to slow down the time of your being together in America, and the bastards may make you lose many months of fruitful time that you could have spent together, but THEY can NEVER interfere with or break up "a bona fide relationship." Only you and your wife can do that.

 

Who the hell am I to write this? Well, I long ago stopped posting a timeline...it was too damn dreary, hurtful to me, and it looked like I was crying poor me. I stopped crying poor me years ago and I live my life one day at a time and look at each day as a joyful one when I talk to my wife or see her on MSN. We have grown more in the last 4 years apart, than we would ever have grown if she had been given the quick visa. We know what is important now, and petty bullshit ain't part of it anymore.

 

It's been 4 years and 3 months since I first met my wife in person. We tried a K-1 attempt in late 2006....

 

Took 10 months from filing the petition to the interview.

 

Interview: Treated like a rabid dog by the American VO and given a "no questions asked for" blue slip...told needed time to look at the case

 

Ten months after the interview: Case denied

 

Took the DOS 13 months to send the case back to NVC.

 

NVC sent the case to USCIS. USCIS took all of 3 days to reaffirm our case and sent it right back to NVC, on it's way back to China.

 

Without being able to even get a reply from DOS (in America, or China) about our case status, or even where it was, we married 10 months after the denial. I came home and 6 weeks later got a letter from USCIS saying our K-1 had been reaffirmed. Lots of laughter about that. The DOS case against us was so damn weak the USCIS didn't even bother telling me what the charges against us were, or asking me for a rebuttal letter, they simply reaffirmed the case and sent it back

 

Good luck to you Gary. I have nothing further to offer, no more advice, speculation on your case....just to say....GOOD LUCK. I feel your pain and I know the emptiness, this is my 4th Christmas alone....and the damn well LAST ONE. My wife will either be with me next year in America....or I will be with HER in China living in our home there.

 

The "wait" and the prison sentence of having the DOS be a part of my life will be over soon.

 

tsap seui

My middle name has been legally changed to .....Wait

[bullmastiff]

Hi everybody. I want to take a few moments of your time to bring everyone up to speed on everything that has transpired since my last plead for your help with my 20 year old Chinese step daughters situation. I have enrolled my daughter into an English school in Nanning China where she is excelling. I am so proud of her. On September 08-14-2010 my wife received her packet from Guangzhou. On September 1st 2010 at 7:15am my wife had her first interview in Guangzhou where she was ask 4 questions. These are the questions they ask her. Where is your husband? Why has your husband only been to China to see you just one time for only 62 days sense you got married? How did you meet your husband? How do you and your husband communicate with each other? My wife answered all these questions very good and she was always very polite to the VO. She was given a blue slip of paper requesting more information and said our love and marriage was not a bona fide love and marriage, which is totally BS. My wife and I were devastated by these results. My wife cried for a solid week until she was sick. I did my best to comfort her by telling her that we can fix this little problem and that it was just a little bump in our road of love. We gather up all the information they requested and a lot more and she turned it into the Consulate Guangzhou on September 17th 2010. I sent everything they requested from me to my wife by DHL the fastest way possible. Just as soon as the NVC had sent the case files to Guangzhou 05-14-2010. I sent my wife a copy of everything, the kitchen sink all 17lbs. My wife was so surprised of how much information she had setting in front of her. She got some help and started learning and studying all this information I sent to her. My wife probably knows more about all her immigration documents then I do now. On 10- 29-2010 my wife received a letter from the consulate in Guangzhou for a second interview any Monday thru Wednesday between the hours of 1:30pm to 3:00pm. I thought this was strange. This is how my wife’s second interview went. My wife approached the VO and said good morning. She works in public relations so I do know how polite she is always. The VO never acknowledges her so she thought to VO never heard her so she said good morning again in English and was ignored once again. I thought this was very rude of the VO. The VO started reading some documents and NEVER asks her ANY questions at all. The only thing the VO said to my wife was for her to go to window No 30 to get the results. These are my wife’s exact words to the VO. How could you let my lonely husband live in America alone, for no body care. My wife insisted that he tell her why she was denied and received this white slip of paper. Now she was angry and she was screaming I love my American husband and how can you do this to us. Then it got ugly the VO ask security to take my wife away. She did go but not before saying what she wanted to say so everyone could here. I know her actions were not acceptable in the Consulate, but any one of us who love our wife like I do would have done exactly the samething if this happened to one of us. I am trying to find away for her to send a letter of apology to the Consulate, or is this something that needs to be done? My wife is probably not the first Chinese woman to loose her cool over a white denial slip. My question to everyone of you is there any way to overcome this white slip 221(g) not a bona fide relationship which is BS? I have already called DOS the NVC, and USCIS. I was told there is nothing I can do until the case files are sent back to the CIS. Is there anyway the case files can stay at Guangzhou and this problem be solved with out sending the case back to CIS for review and possibly termination of the case? I was told by DOS that it could take up to 120 days for Guangzhou to just send the case to the CIS, which is also BS. No one cares if our wives and husbands have to wait all this time and be separated from the ones we love. My wife and I have no intention of defrauding anyone for any reason. We don’t expect anything for nothing. We try our best to do everything the right way the first time. I am still devastated by Guangzhou actions. Now I am mad and want to do something so my wife and I can be together in the States. If anyone has any suggestion please feel free to give me your help or opinion. To my wife and me it may be possibly another 6 months to a year of separation. I was told by DOS that once the case files are reviewed by CIS that they will notified me by mail of the exact reason for my wife’s denial. The CIS will give me a chance to try and prove that our love and marriage is true love and a bona fide relationship. Is this information correct that DOS told me? Or is this BS too? I have got to the point where the only ones I truly believe in any more are the good people on these forms. So please if anyone knows what I need to do now please feel free to tell me. If anyone needs or wants to discuss my situation with me just ask for my email address and I will gladly give it to you. I love my wife with all my heart and she loves me back with the same enthusiasm are even more if that is possible. Thank you for taking the time to read my plea for your help once again. Gary.

 

 

Man, I am sorry to hear you and your wifes story. I sit here all alone on Christmas just as you and so many others who the criminal acts of the DOS hooligans in Guangzhou have affected our lives.

 

This whole "Homeland Security" crap and the potential for scamming by, mainly, Chinese women has been long ago taken way beyond any reasonable credibility.

 

The heartless acts of the Department of State officials, particularily, in China, and their singular "speculation and conjecture" on cases before them has become the REAL SCAM.

 

The term, "Did not prove a bona fide relationship at the interview" is nothing more than a bald face lie for the DOS personal to hide behind.

 

With that said, Gary....I have no other way to put it nicely or blunt the message for you and your wife...you are going to have to wait. Wait, until your case is sent back from the criminals in the State Department at the consulate in Guangzhou to the folks within your USCIS service center.

 

Then you will have to wait until the USCIS reviews your case, sends you the statements the DOS made against you and your wife, and gives you a limitied amount of time to rebut those charges, send it back to USCIS, and then they review your rebuttal.

 

I suggest you try all the congressional inquirys and other approaches you can dream up or are suggested....but...it's not going to make one bit of difference in your wait. What it will do is give you something to do, and it will show your wife you are trying your best.

 

Not trying to dampen your already ruined Christmas but openly and honestly speaking from years of experience...between you and me, your time would be much better off going out and flying a kite as the DOS is above reproach, they have no oversight, including your lame duck congressman (they ALL are impotent lame ducks in cases like this) and you will have to simply wait on the bastards.

 

Now, what can you look forward to? What can you hope for? Let's hope the DOS quickly sends your case back to the NVC, who will send it to your local USCIS service center you filed through. Then, let's hope the USCIS quickly looks at your case, sends you the rebuttal information, and adjucates your case quickly....and by quickly, I don't mean some governmental forked tongue speak like "timely manner"....that's just more bullshit.

 

The USCIS doesn't always adhere to the smoke screen "non bona fide relationship" sent to them by the DOS. No, they have their own mind and they know the DOS is full of shit. They may well reafirm your case, and then again, they could show you something you didn't have a cue about....I hate the DOS with a vengence, but it is NOT a blind hatred.

 

The DOS lets many more scammers through than they catch so their approach is a blank one....everybody is guilty until proven innocent....The catch-22 is simply this....as you've found out so clearly, the DOS doesn't give you and your girl the courtesy of looking at your evience, even when they ask for it, TO PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE.

 

To the DOS, innocence is only proven by YOU.....and here is that awful word again....WAITING. Waiting a year and a half, or TWO.

 

Brother, I don't have an easier way of putting it to you. There is NO magic formula! Miracles do happen, and you know how often they happen, but they do happen. So, you try everything you can find to make them happen. It keeps you busy... for awhile.

 

I know your wife is devastated now, as are you. I profusely apologize for not being able to be Santa Claus on this Christmas Day....hell, I struggle to keep my own spirits up on freakin' days like this, BUT the thing is, I DO, and my wife has learned to do the same. I well expect you and your wife will do the same, as many before you have done.

 

You NEVER let the f'in DOS win. You hang in there with each other. When one has a bad day the other boosts them up. Losing focus of your goals is NOT allowed.

 

The f'in DOS may have the power to slow down the time of your being together in America, and the bastards may make you lose many months of fruitful time that you could have spent together, but THEY can NEVER interfere with or break up "a bona fide relationship." Only you and your wife can do that.

 

Who the hell am I to write this? Well, I long ago stopped posting a timeline...it was too damn dreary, hurtful to me, and it looked like I was crying poor me. I stopped crying poor me years ago and I live my life one day at a time and look at each day as a joyful one when I talk to my wife or see her on MSN. We have grown more in the last 4 years apart, than we would ever have grown if she had been given the quick visa. We know what is important now, and petty bullshit ain't part of it anymore.

 

It's been 4 years and 3 months since I first met my wife in person. We tried a K-1 attempt in late 2006....

 

Took 10 months from filing the petition to the interview.

 

Interview: Treated like a rabid dog by the American VO and given a "no questions asked for" blue slip...told needed time to look at the case

 

Ten months after the interview: Case denied

 

Took the DOS 13 months to send the case back to NVC.

 

NVC sent the case to USCIS. USCIS took all of 3 days to reaffirm our case and sent it right back to NVC, on it's way back to China.

 

Without being able to even get a reply from DOS (in America, or China) about our case status, or even where it was, we married 10 months after the denial. I came home and 6 weeks later got a letter from USCIS saying our K-1 had been reaffirmed. Lots of laughter about that. The DOS case against us was so damn weak the USCIS didn't even bother telling me what the charges against us were, or asking me for a rebuttal letter, they simply reaffirmed the case and sent it back

 

Good luck to you Gary. I have nothing further to offer, no more advice, speculation on your case....just to say....GOOD LUCK. I feel your pain and I know the emptiness, this is my 4th Christmas alone....and the damn well LAST ONE. My wife will either be with me next year in America....or I will be with HER in China living in our home there.

 

The "wait" and the prison sentence of having the DOS be a part of my life will be over soon.

 

tsap seui

My middle name has been legally changed to .....Wait

 

 

I am very sorry to hear your story . Why did it take so long for the review and returning the case to the US ,etc.... ?

It looks like they have put no time limit at all . Can do whatever they want . That's unfair.

 

Second, I do hope they train the Consular officer with most up to date info from the investigative field in China . Yes, I know that China is a high fraud country but don't assume that every one is a fraud ! Just because some one is hillbilly or Chinese peasants ,please don't assume he or she is surely fraudlent . Please, please, please, in my opinion, some Chinese with monies and status are more likely to take quick trips by buying a marriage. Having greencards are more like having securities for them just in case things go bad in China.

 

I am very sorry for those who are honest and good people who have been mistreated and suffered unreasonably due to lack of good judgement on the authority part. I am sure you'll prevail at the end.

Edited December 26, 2010 by bullmastiff (see edit history)

[Palladin]

Man, I am sorry to hear you and your wifes story. I sit here all alone on Christmas just as you and so many others who the criminal acts of the DOS hooligans in Guangzhou have affected our lives.

 

......

 

Good luck to you Gary. I have nothing further to offer, no more advice, speculation on your case....just to say....GOOD LUCK. I feel your pain and I know the emptiness, this is my 4th Christmas alone....and the damn well LAST ONE. My wife will either be with me next year in America....or I will be with HER in China living in our home there.

 

The "wait" and the prison sentence of having the DOS be a part of my life will be over soon.

 

tsap seui

My middle name has been legally changed to .....Wait

 

Sorry to hear your story, tsap seui. I was reading your long post and was hoping to read a happy ending by the last paragraph. It was so depressing to learn that after 4 years of separation you still have not got your case sorted out get your loved one to live with you in the USA.

 

How many 4 years does one have to live? What can we do something about this?

 

I am in the initial stage of K-1 visa processing and I surely do not hope the same thing happen to me and my loved one.

Edited January 14, 2011 by Palladin (see edit history)

[tsap seui]

Sorry to hear your story, tsap seui. I was reading your long post and was hoping to read a happy ending by the last paragraph. It was so depressing to learn that after 4 years of separation you still have not got your case sorted out get your loved one to live with you in the USA.

 

How many 4 years does one have to live? What can we do something about this?

 

I am in the initial stage of K-1 visa processing and I surely do not hope the same thing happen to me and my loved one.

 

Palladin....what a great name.

 

Buddy, first off thanks for your words. When you read a story like Gary's or mine, or any of the many others, don't get discouraged, okay? I know exactly how you feel just starting out and reading something like these storys.

 

When I started out there was this feller named chilton747 whose girl friend had recently gotten a white slip at her interview. Reading his case scared me to death. I felt terrible for him, I couldn't begin to imagine what that must feel like to both him and his girl friend.

 

The thing his story made me do was study my butt off to not have that happen to us. A little fear in life can be a healthy thing, both in visa applications, business, and in life in general. It makes you focus your energy and do your upmost to achieve your goal.

 

Okay, we got a no questions asked for type blue slip and waited ten long months, where my then girlfriend got denied. All the while we never knew what the problem was...still don't. THirteen months after the denial, GUZ finally sent our case back to hte USCIS, and low and behold, 3 days after they finally got it, they reafirmed us and sent the case back. Of course we had gotten married a few short months before I got the reafirmation decision which nullified the K-1.

 

chilton747 is still on here, his beautiful wife is here in America, he and I became good friends and we pretty much leaned on each other for support during our ordeals.

 

When I responded in this thread, I was pissed off. Not pissed at what my wife and I had endured, I was pissed at what Gary and his woman were just now having to start....THE WAIT.

 

I don't look for sympthay for what has happened to lil' rabbit and I. Quite honestly, we have had more good than bad come out of the whole ordeal. When the chips are down, when you feel the world is against you, when you feel like you can no longer breath from the hurt....that's when you see just what your relationship is truly all about. You find what you are made of, what she is made of, and how strong your relationship can become.

 

Everyone is happy when they get the easy visa, life is great. She moves to America and you set up house, the only trouble you've shared together is the silly little wait for the application to work it's way through the process.

 

Without my writing a few pages more, I hope you see where I am heading with this. As crazy as it may seem, my wife and I have taken GUZ's lemons and turned them into our lemonaide. We are thankful for the awareness of each other, within ourselves, and of our devotion in our relationship that we have found with what on the face looks like an insurmountable odds for a relationship.

 

We have REALLY gotten to know each other, oh have we gotten to know each other. We often laugh at what we have been through together. We have survived, man. We are still standing, together, hand in hand, and in laughter at the foolishness of the Department of State workers in Guangzhou, China.

 

Man, our relationship always was bona fide, GUZ tried to twist it any way they could....THEY have failed. And THEY were completely wrong from the get go. THEY nailed two innocent people with their misguided speculation and conjecture.

 

My wife and I are happier today than we ever were. Four years of the American government's nonsense has only made us stronger.

 

Please, take any fear you may feel from Gary's story, or mine, and use it to focus on your application. I was pissed to see Gary and his wife put into the waiting game, most likely over speculation and conjecture by uncaring and often misguided visa officers who have absolutely no oversight and control....I wasn't pissed at my wife and my situation...we are so far passed all of that.

 

Good luck to you in your journey. I wish you the best and hope for you to get a quick and easy visa. Just know, should the worst happen, you and your girlfriend CAN make it through a tough time. You pick yourself up out of the dust, wipe yourselves off, and NEVER but NEVER let the bastards win. You take their lemons and you make lemonaide....I know it sounds simplistic and hokey, but what is the alterative?

 

You and your girlfriend will make it.

 

tsap seui

 

I love my wife, her intelligence, her strength of will, her wacked out sense of humor, and her big caring heart, I love that lil' rabbit.

[Gary & Xie]

I want to thank all you good people on this forum. For all your support and care. It is people like you that makes people like my wife and myself that are going through these very difficult times with GUZ's decisions by not believing our love is true love and not a boni fide marriage and relationship bearable to some extent.

 

I want to say to tsap seui a special thanks to you and your wife. I hope you and your wife are finally together somewhere and are still happy and in love with each other. I also thank you for all the information you provided me. I did take your advice. I keep myself very busy learning everything I can. So if my wife is fortunate enough to have another interview with GUZ, hopefully we will be ready for anything that comes our way.

 

I did contact my Senator and to my surprise he acted quickly on this matter for me. I faxed him 13 pages on the brief history of my wifes ordeal in GUZ. We have nothing to hide and I mean nothing. I told him everything. Even the way that my wife was mistreated at GUZ. The Senator did contact GUZ. He also sent me the reply GUZ sent him. It said my wife did not provide proof of a boni fide relationship are marriage at her interviews. Which is totally BS. My wife was never given an opportunity too. She had 17 lbs. of documents for anything the VO might have wanted to know. I know this because this is the documents and information that I prepared for my wife. She had everything I sent to her translated from English to Chinese so she could completely understood everything and all the documents. My wife is a very smart woman.

 

Now my Senator has given me access to his immigration office and his middle office is doing a wonderful job providing me with information. They seem really sincere in helping me. I do not know actually what they can are can not do to help me, but it makes my wife and myself happy for the time being. As the wait continues from days to weeks to months. My wife is such a trooper. She tell me no matter what happens she will never give up on her American husband. She also told me we will be together one way are another, even if it means me selling everything and moving to China to live together. I really like China and the people, so this want be a problem for me, if this is what I have to do to be with my sole mate. We love each other very much and like tsap seui said, all this has made us a lot closer and we have really got to know each other a lot more. The more I learn about my wife the more I want to learn and the more I love her for who she is as a person and not just as my beautiful wife.

 

I also don't want our horror story to frighten anyone. But hopefully to really open everyone's eyes that has to go through GUZ. This can and unfortunately will happen to someone else. Do your home work and be as prepared as you can and even this may not be enough for GUZ.

 

Tsap seui if you happen to read this. I would really like to email you and share information together. Your horror story really hit home with my wife and me. Hopefully you have your wife in your arms and are living your lives to the fullest. Thank you again for everything you provided me.

Gary & Xie

[Lee VD]

For anyone that does make headway with their senator, its really important to point out that this is a systematic and serious problem with many others. If we can get one senator willing to support the cause, its a start.

 

You may also want to point them to the lawsuit filed for a vietnamese couple mentioned in the Ellis forum, it really states a lot of the same issues we have dealt with, especially yours, its very similar. I don't know of other cases currently in play. The concern is the law gives complete authority to the consulate with no right of due process for the citizen.

Edited January 22, 2011 by Lee VD (see edit history)

[tsap seui]

Good luck to you Gary. You are taking some positive steps with your case. Thanks for your words. I feel for you and your wife, and my wife and I empathize with you both. We well know the road you two have been placed on.

 

Lets hope your congressmans liason can somehow help to get your case "quickly" sent back to the USCIS. Then, with any luck the laison can help you to get it quickly processed by your service center, and you get to make your rebuttal to them. Hopefully this foolishness by the DOS is reafirmed on your side by the USCIS. Afterall, the USCIS has already approved you. You just show them the State Department is full of speculation and conjecture with your rebuttal.

 

It's all about luck, what happened to you could have happened to anyone that got a visa.

 

Good luck. Your proof of a bona fide relationship will be never losing each other. The bastards will never win unless you allow them to.

 

tsap seui

[Palladin]

Sorry to hear your story, tsap seui. I was reading your long post and was hoping to read a happy ending by the last paragraph. It was so depressing to learn that after 4 years of separation you still have not got your case sorted out get your loved one to live with you in the USA.

 

How many 4 years does one have to live? What can we do something about this?

 

I am in the initial stage of K-1 visa processing and I surely do not hope the same thing happen to me and my loved one.

 

Too bad it's now my turn for bad luck. I canceled the K-1 and we got married early in the year, filed a CR1 petition and then at the beginning of November, my wife got a visa denial at her interview. They did not even give her a chance to supplement document or anything.

 

I am very sad and very mad, and tried all ways to contact the Consulate. I don't know what will happen next.

[concert500]

After our intial "Not a Bona-fide Relationship" on March 15, 2010 it took eighteen months before the second interview on September 22, 2011 in Guangzhou. The second time around we were not denied and got the old "Administrative Processing" line. We thought this was positive and felt a little relief but this has turned to misery since we're now going on three months since that rotten day. We just celebrated our three year anniversay apart. What would it hurt them to tell all of us what's happening with our cases? Are they afraid of hurting the feelings we have left? What a nightmare. God Bless all of you!!

 

 

[tsap seui]

After our intial "Not a Bona-fide Relationship" on March 15, 2010 it took eighteen months before the second interview on September 22, 2011 in Guangzhou. The second time around we were not denied and got the old "Administrative Processing" line. We thought this was positive and felt a little relief but this has turned to misery since we're now going on three months since that rotten day. We just celebrated our three year anniversay apart. What would it hurt them to tell all of us what's happening with our cases? Are they afraid of hurting the feelings we have left? What a nightmare. God Bless all of you!!

 

Hang in there buddy. Let's hope your wait will soon be over. I can't wait to read of your and Palladin's success. It may take awhile but you guys will both get your wimmin over here.

 

Good luck guys.

 

tsap seui

[concert500]

Has Gary and Xie posted anything recent? Man what an upsetting story. Thanks Tsap.