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chilton747

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"...1) If you carry it, something will happen and you will loose it. Then your out 500$ and a hassle getting it replaced

2) You don't carry it, and some anal person demands to see it.

 

1) don't want the hassle. don't want to pay $500.00

 

2) don't like anal persons who exceed their authority. (only Federal immigration agents have a right to see Wife's green card)

 

 

"This discussion has ben about greencard holders, but it seems VERY arbitrary to allow anyone to start asking people for citizenship proof, and you have to presume some percentage of the people asked for "proof" will be citizens. "

 

Exactly the point isn't it? "Some percentage" ???

 

My guess is that the overwhelming percentage of those who state that they are US Citizens ----and then go on to present their: Driver's licenses, registration, and proof of insurance -------------- are in fact, US Citizens, legally in the country.

 

NOW: My guess is that the overwhelming percentage of those who state that they are Permanent Residents----and then go on to present their: Driver's licenses, registration and proof of insurance ----------- are in fact, Permanent Residents, legally in the country.

 

Do we really want to support the extra hassle ---and yes, in some instances, racial profiling, and as a result--- police possibly asking for favors---- (after midnight on a rural road) ---of our SOs or ANY legal immigrant??

 

 

the cost is $370 to replace the card - not $500.

 

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...00048f3d6a1RCRD

Yep, $370

 

As for proof of US citizenship, they will not and cannot ask for this. However showing a state ID like a drivers license is enough to satisfy anyone. States do not give out ID's or Driver's license unless legal presence is demonstrated. A green-card holder that presents a State ID or DL will more than likely be treated the same as a US Citizen and waived on. An Illegal Alien more than likely will not have a State ID, or DL. Even if green-card holder or citizen has no ID on them, the authority can quickly verify who you are by looking you up, the states do share this information.

 

Whatever happened to the deal where CA was thinking about giving drivers licenses to illegals ?

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shenzhen

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"...1) If you carry it, something will happen and you will loose it. Then your out 500$ and a hassle getting it replaced

2) You don't carry it, and some anal person demands to see it.

 

1) don't want the hassle. don't want to pay $500.00

 

2) don't like anal persons who exceed their authority. (only Federal immigration agents have a right to see Wife's green card)

 

 

"This discussion has ben about greencard holders, but it seems VERY arbitrary to allow anyone to start asking people for citizenship proof, and you have to presume some percentage of the people asked for "proof" will be citizens. "

 

Exactly the point isn't it? "Some percentage" ???

 

My guess is that the overwhelming percentage of those who state that they are US Citizens ----and then go on to present their: Driver's licenses, registration, and proof of insurance -------------- are in fact, US Citizens, legally in the country.

 

NOW: My guess is that the overwhelming percentage of those who state that they are Permanent Residents----and then go on to present their: Driver's licenses, registration and proof of insurance ----------- are in fact, Permanent Residents, legally in the country.

 

Do we really want to support the extra hassle ---and yes, in some instances, racial profiling, and as a result--- police possibly asking for favors---- (after midnight on a rural road) ---of our SOs or ANY legal immigrant??

 

 

the cost is $370 to replace the card - not $500.

 

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...00048f3d6a1RCRD

Yep, $370

 

As for proof of US citizenship, they will not and cannot ask for this. However showing a state ID like a drivers license is enough to satisfy anyone. States do not give out ID's or Driver's license unless legal presence is demonstrated. A green-card holder that presents a State ID or DL will more than likely be treated the same as a US Citizen and waived on. An Illegal Alien more than likely will not have a State ID, or DL. Even if green-card holder or citizen has no ID on them, the authority can quickly verify who you are by looking you up, the states do share this information.

So what is the big deal about this new law again? When I read it I saw that they would only ask for proof of immigrant status if one was stopped for a legal/valid reason AND they suspected, due to various factors, that the person was in the country illegally.

 

How did that go to our Chinese spouses being pulled over at midnight and raped in addition to locking down threads???? I am so confused ...

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amberjack1234

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This kind of action concerns me much more that a policeman asking a possible illegal for their ID. Here is a guy carrying a sign like this in the streets of America and a dollar to a doughnut says that he is here illegally. I guess that if we allow it there is no one to blame but ourselves. We have allowed this go beyond being able to rectifying the situation now anyway I think.

 

 

Larry

 

{edit} I will allow the comment, however the photo had to be removed, source unknown, I had it in my email, but it can easily be a photo-shop job.

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amberjack1234

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Ok, here are SOME of my true feelings on the matter of illegal¡¯s in America. I have mixed feelings about the issue.

 

CONS

 

1. If you are illegal you should be deported or if you are well established here and have never had any trouble with the law and have been a positive member of the community that you live in you should be given one/two years to go through the immigration process just like everyone else that is here legally had to do. If you fail you leave.

 

2. If you don¡¯t have a job, are not presently fully supporting your family and are not willing to pay taxes into our system if you are legalized, then out you go. I think that you should support the country that you are earning a living in.

 

3. Should have some kind of retribution for being here illegally. Say, $1,000 for every year that they were here illegally and did not pay taxes.

 

PROS

 

1. I don¡¯t blame any one of them for trying to make a better living for their family legally. We don¡¯t need their thugs though we are all full up here already. Most that I see and meet seem like decent hard working folks.

 

2. Apparently Americans have gotten so soft , upper class or are career welfare people that they will no longer do the work that illegal¡¯s are doing. Can you imagine the increase in grocery prices alone. 88 cents each for one cucumber and $2.50 for one bell pepper now. Suppose we had to pay an American $20 an hour to pick ¡®em.

 

3. Many that have gone through the immigration process have become valuable members of our country. Many more would do the same thing if they were given the opportunity.

 

 

Something has to be done though. The United States can not support many more 11,000,000 illegal¡¯s. We just can not stand this kind of drain on the economy without them helping to support the system that feeds them.

 

We are a forgiving country aren't we? If course we could just give them all amnesty and let all of them stay and legalize them like we did after the Vietnam War to our draft dodgers that left America and went to other countries. They were AMERICANS though weren't they? Wouldn't that be a slap in our faces for all of us here that went through the visa process and paid so much in pain and money?

 

Larry

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warpedbored

warpedbored

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Well thought out post Larry. I agree with much of what you are saying. Lot's of illegals do pay taxes though. If they are using someone else's SSN they are paying into the system without filing for a refund. They also pay sales taxes and taxes at the pump. I do agree that there should be no amnesty. If they can demonstrate that they have been contributing members to society then I wouldn't be against fining them and sending them to the back of the line to come here legally. The vast majority of us want something done about illegal immigration. I'm not sure most of us realize how much inflation that will cause though. IMO that is a bitter pill we will have to swallow. As I've said countless times regardless of what laws we pass if we don't go after the employers who hire them in a serious manner they will continue to come.

 

Any serious immigration reform should include the following items.

 

Serious fines for companies that hire illegal aliens, including prison time for CEOs

 

An opportunity to pay a fine and go to the back of the line for illegal aliens that can demonstrate they are contributing members of society.

 

Faster processing times for those who come here legally with less red tape.

 

More family based legislation making it easier for family members of US citizens to be reunited. I find it ridiculous that the parents of a US citizen can come here in less than a year yet it takes 5 + years to bring over their unmarried adult children.

 

Straighten out the mess of deporting K-2 visa holders simply because the USCIS can't process AOS applications in a timely manner. While they are at it they should make the rules the same for both K-2, K-4 and CR visa recipients. It's stupid that the child of a K-1 can get a visa up until they are 21 yet the child of a CR-1 has to be under 18 at the time of marriage.

 

Personally I think they should do away with K-visas all together and only have marriage based visas.

 

 

Feel free to add to my list.

 

Carl

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dnoblett

dnoblett

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Why can't they all get visas and come here legally? :)

Visa limits on immigrations visa. Not willing to wait the years it sometimes takes to get a visa number.
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steveandrong

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And as for the area to which this thread has drifted, i will say i agree with you on this larry, but, I think you are being too soft on item #3 in your CONS section...i think the following is someones guesstimation on this, but it seems to me that is probably fairly correct......"You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jos¨¦ Illegal". Both families have two parents,two children, and live in California.

 

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

 

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

 

Ready? Now pay attention...

 

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

 

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has$31,200.00.

 

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

 

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

 

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

 

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

 

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

 

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

 

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

 

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

 

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

 

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

 

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

 

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

 

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

 

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay."....and as others here have said, it does not mean this problem is exclusive to our friends to the south...i know all ethnic groups are included in this, including whites...just puts a perspective on all this as to what it is costing the average joe taxpayer in comparison to the "Illegals" and how our government sponsors them at the taxpayer expense!....so, I say, $1,000 per year penalty is way too soft.

 

Ok, here are SOME of my true feelings on the matter of illegal¡¯s in America. I have mixed feelings about the issue.

 

CONS

 

1. If you are illegal you should be deported or if you are well established here and have never had any trouble with the law and have been a positive member of the community that you live in you should be given one/two years to go through the immigration process just like everyone else that is here legally had to do. If you fail you leave.

 

2. If you don¡¯t have a job, are not presently fully supporting your family and are not willing to pay taxes into our system if you are legalized, then out you go. I think that you should support the country that you are earning a living in.

 

3. Should have some kind of retribution for being here illegally. Say, $1,000 for every year that they were here illegally and did not pay taxes.

 

PROS

 

1. I don¡¯t blame any one of them for trying to make a better living for their family legally. We don¡¯t need their thugs though we are all full up here already. Most that I see and meet seem like decent hard working folks.

 

2. Apparently Americans have gotten so soft , upper class or are career welfare people that they will no longer do the work that illegal¡¯s are doing. Can you imagine the increase in grocery prices alone. 88 cents each for one cucumber and $2.50 for one bell pepper now. Suppose we had to pay an American $20 an hour to pick ¡®em.

 

3. Many that have gone through the immigration process have become valuable members of our country. Many more would do the same thing if they were given the opportunity.

 

 

Something has to be done though. The United States can not support many more 11,000,000 illegal¡¯s. We just can not stand this kind of drain on the economy without them helping to support the system that feeds them.

 

We are a forgiving country aren't we? If course we could just give them all amnesty and let all of them stay and legalize them like we did after the Vietnam War to our draft dodgers that left America and went to other countries. They were AMERICANS though weren't they? Wouldn't that be a slap in our faces for all of us here that went through the visa process and paid so much in pain and money?

 

Larry

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amberjack1234

amberjack1234

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And as for the area to which this thread has drifted, i will say i agree with you on this larry, but, I think you are being too soft on item #3 in your CONS section...i think the following is someones guesstimation on this, but it seems to me that is probably fairly correct......"You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jos¨¦ Illegal". Both families have two parents,two children, and live in California.

 

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

 

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

 

Ready? Now pay attention...

 

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

 

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has$31,200.00.

 

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

 

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

 

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

 

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

 

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

 

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

 

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

 

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

 

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

 

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

 

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

 

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

 

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

 

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay."....and as others here have said, it does not mean this problem is exclusive to our friends to the south...i know all ethnic groups are included in this, including whites...just puts a perspective on all this as to what it is costing the average joe taxpayer in comparison to the "Illegals" and how our government sponsors them at the taxpayer expense!....so, I say, $1,000 per year penalty is way too soft.

 

Ok, here are SOME of my true feelings on the matter of illegal¡¯s in America. I have mixed feelings about the issue.

 

CONS

 

1. If you are illegal you should be deported or if you are well established here and have never had any trouble with the law and have been a positive member of the community that you live in you should be given one/two years to go through the immigration process just like everyone else that is here legally had to do. If you fail you leave.

 

2. If you don¡¯t have a job, are not presently fully supporting your family and are not willing to pay taxes into our system if you are legalized, then out you go. I think that you should support the country that you are earning a living in.

 

3. Should have some kind of retribution for being here illegally. Say, $1,000 for every year that they were here illegally and did not pay taxes.

 

PROS

 

1. I don¡¯t blame any one of them for trying to make a better living for their family legally. We don¡¯t need their thugs though we are all full up here already. Most that I see and meet seem like decent hard working folks.

 

2. Apparently Americans have gotten so soft , upper class or are career welfare people that they will no longer do the work that illegal¡¯s are doing. Can you imagine the increase in grocery prices alone. 88 cents each for one cucumber and $2.50 for one bell pepper now. Suppose we had to pay an American $20 an hour to pick ¡®em.

 

3. Many that have gone through the immigration process have become valuable members of our country. Many more would do the same thing if they were given the opportunity.

 

 

Something has to be done though. The United States can not support many more 11,000,000 illegal¡¯s. We just can not stand this kind of drain on the economy without them helping to support the system that feeds them.

 

We are a forgiving country aren't we? If course we could just give them all amnesty and let all of them stay and legalize them like we did after the Vietnam War to our draft dodgers that left America and went to other countries. They were AMERICANS though weren't they? Wouldn't that be a slap in our faces for all of us here that went through the visa process and paid so much in pain and money?

 

Larry

Very well written and many good points. I didn't take that much time but you certainly got the point that I was trying to make. I hope that others did as well.

Yes $1,000 a year is probably way to lenient but I was thinking of the illegals at the bottom of the pay scale.

 

Larry

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amberjack1234

amberjack1234

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Green card, the law says carry it if you don't and get caught without it you can always come here and cry about it and you will still have to satisfy the uSCIS folks. It is everyone's choice just if you get caught without it you'll have to pay the piper. I have done things like this in my life and most of the time didn't get caught. When I did get caught I just smiled and paid the fine. Why not, after all I ask for it didn't I?

 

I carried my wife's card in my wallet as she never went anywhere without me until she became a U. S. Citizen.

 

So carry it or don't carry it. It is your individual decision.

 

Larry

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Dan de mingzi

Dan de mingzi

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On the whole Joe vs. Jose comparison:

 

No offense meant to anybody, but I hate seeing all this misinformation being passed around as if it is true. This is a great example of an emotional issue that brings out poorly thought out or researched arguments like this Joe vs. Jose example. I was going to respond to it, but happened on a much better online rebuttal; sorry it is long but this author does a great job of demolishing this example point by point. I think the lesson here is that if you look into the reality of things it is seldom so simple as cute internet chain mail rants would have you believe. Here is the quote:

 

"I received this email a few days ago. Normally, I don¡¯t bother to look at forwards before I delete them; this one, however, caught my eye. I can see how one might be upset and ready to jump on the bandwagon¡­if that person had no capacity for thinking, and was willing to blindly follow the crowd. It has been my experience that following the crowd will often put you on the winning team, but it doesn¡¯t always make you right.

 

While I¡¯m not sure who the original author is, their reason for writing it is quite evident; racism and ethnocentrism, with a bit of ignorance mixed in.

 

I include racism based on ¡°Jose¡±, an obvious dig at illegal immigrants originating in Mexico. Of course the author of this propaganda has done some research; I wonder why he/she didn¡¯t compare Joe with Jahan. Surely s/he realizes that according to usimmigrationsupport.org:

 

¡°¡­individuals from India actually make up the group with the largest percentage increase in illegal immigration since 2000.¡±

 

It seems this email has been making the rounds, indicating a number of people are willing to ¡°educate¡± the rest of us. I hope you will be as willing to forward this one as you were the original.

 

This scenario is set up with ¡°Jose¡± having NO Social Security Number. The following is a direct quote:

 

¡°Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number,

and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".¡±

 

There are two problems with this right from the beginning. First, this implies that Jose is doing the same job as Joe is, for $15.00 while Joe gets paid $25.00. While this could be the case, it is unlikely. In fact, the majority of illegal aliens seldom work at jobs that are equal to those of Americans. But for the sake of argument, we¡¯ll let that go.

 

Second, Jose is being paid less money for performing the same duties as Joe, but he is being paid cash, ¡°under the table¡±. Besides the fact that Jose is being paid less for doing the same job, his employer seems to be doing something illegal. Because the writer is obviously a law abiding citizen of this country, why was no more said about that? Maybe it¡¯s because Joe is an American and the things he does illegally should go unnoticed. Did you notice Jose¡¯s employer is a criminal, and were you willing to look the other way so we could stay focused on Jose¡¯s iniquities?

 

At any rate, the important part of this sentence is that Jose has NO Social Security Number and his income is undocumented.

 

Next, we are reminded to ¡°Pay attention¡±. I did; did you? The email states:

 

¡°Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00

per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has

$31,231.00.¡±

 

Maybe this is the new math I¡¯m unfamiliar with, but 30% of 52,000 is 15,600. When I subtract that from 52,000, I get 36,400. That¡¯s 5,169 more than we are told. But, for the sake of argument, we¡¯ll let that go too.

 

Next, we are told how much Joe pays for medical and dental insurance and that he gets limited coverage for his family, and how much money he has left over.

 

Then we are told, and this is a quote:

 

¡°Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and

local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.¡±

 

Do you really believe this? Do you think Jose and his family get to see the same doctor Joe and his family sees? Does Jose really have full medical and dental coverage, or is it just the emergency care that we are all (including Joe and his family) entitled to? I have to wonder, if Jose has such a great deal, why doesn¡¯t Joe and his family use the state and county medical services, just like Jose does; that would save him $7,200 per year.

 

Now we are told that Joe makes too much money for food stamps, while

 

¡°Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare.¡±

 

Remember the first quote I took from this scenario? Here it is again:

 

¡°Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number,

and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".¡±

 

Now here¡¯s a quote from the California Department of Social Services:

 

¡°Non-citizens who are in the U.S. temporarily, such as students, are not eligible.¡±

 

Illegal immigrants are not eligible. Period.

 

In regards to:

 

¡°Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy.¡±

 

Here is a quote from the Section 8 Program Fact Sheet, by the Housing & Urban Development Department.

 

¡°Eligibility for a rental voucher or certificate is determined by the HA based on the total annual gross income and family size and is limited to U.S. citizens and specified categories of non-citizens who have eligible immigration status.¡±

 

Remember, Jose ¡°has NO Social Security Number¡±. Did any of you stop to think about how Jose was able to qualify for this $500 per month Federal rent subsidy without a Social Security Number or income documentation?

 

I also have to wonder why we have Jose paying $500 per month, while Joe has to pay $1200. Is there a requirement for Americans to pay more than twice what illegal immigrants pay, or is this something Joe decided to do for himself? If he made that choice, I really don¡¯t think he should be complaining about it; nor do I feel sorry for him.

 

Then we are told Jose doesn¡¯t have insurance. I¡¯m sure he doesn¡¯t, he doesn¡¯t own a car either (at least not one that is registered in California), or a California driver¡¯s license.

 

We are told:

 

¡°Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200..00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.¡±

 

I¡¯m not sure why Jose sends his money out of the country every month. It was established, was it not, that his wife and two children are here with him?

 

We are then told that at the end of the school day:

 

¡°Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.¡±

 

I don¡¯t understand the complaint here. Is it because Jose¡¯s children attend an ESL program, or is it because Joe¡¯s children do not. Surely all-American Joe¡¯s children already speak fluent English, so the problem must lie with Jose¡¯s children attending the ESL program. Why, I wonder; maybe it¡¯s because some of us are only happy when immigrants can¡¯t speak English- gives us something to complain about.

 

Now, nearing the end, we are reminded:

 

¡°Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.¡±

 

Hmmm, let¡¯s think about that for a minute. All of this, I think, is really getting at the idea of the taxes that illegal immigrants don¡¯t pay, and how much they don¡¯t contribute to this country (or at least to not to California).

 

The fact is, Jose pays sales taxes on everything he buys, and that, I believe is where the funds originate for police and fire services.

 

Okay, now you have my first thoughts on each point brought up in this nonsense. Now, let¡¯s get back to reality. The fact is, Jose probably isn¡¯t working for cash ¡°under the table¡± at a discounted rate.

 

More likely, Jose has a fake Social Security number. It won¡¯t work to get him on food stamps, or housing assistance, but it¡¯s good enough for his employer. This means Jose is having all the same taxes, unemployment insurance, workers compensation, social security, medicare, etc. deducted from his pay as Joe is (by the way, do you think Jose will ever see a social security check?). However, what happens at tax time? Any idea? I know; April 15 is just another day for Jose. He won¡¯t be filing his taxes¡­and he won¡¯t be getting a refund.

 

Joe, on the other hand, will more than likely have all his tax deductions returned to him.

 

According to Shikha Dalmia of the Reason Foundation,

 

In 2005, ¡°the revenues from these fake numbers ¡ª that the Social Security administration stashes in the "earnings suspense file" ¡ª added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.¡±

 

The money Joe paid in, he will get back, what do you think will happen to the money Jose paid in¡­maybe that will be sent to Mexico for the rest of Jose¡¯s family."

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