Green card needs to be carried at all time

[knloregon]

"...As long as the Chinese dishwasher has his papers then all is well, right?.."

 

Papers? What papers?

 

He (she) is legally in the US as a Permanent Resident. Why should she need more than: Valid driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance?

Edited May 1, 2010 by dnoblett (see edit history)

[knloregon]

HEY WHO DELETED MY POST ??? HOPE IT WASN'T A MOD.

 

Here is the info that was deleted. The EXACT wording referred to when my wife got her green card (http://www.uscis.gov): "Permanent residents are issued a valid Permanent Resident Card (Form I-551) as proof of their legal status in the United States. Some people call this a "Green Card". If you are a permanent resident who is 18 years or older, you must carry proof of your immigrant status. You must show it to an immigration officer if asked for it."

 

Thats it-----NO, you don't have to carry the green card, just: "proof of your immigrant status.." NO, you don't have to produce this proof to satisfy state, county, or city police. Only: "..an immigration officer if asked for it." (Federal)

 

Again, (since it was deleted) if Arizona wants to try to issue their own state green cards to Foreign Permanent Residents, good luck with that. But they don't get to legally appropriate (and require) the Federally issued green card as a form of ID to satisfy state interests.

 

And for whoever deleted my last post on this, (almost identical to this one) ----how about showing a little maturity? This is a valid point. If you want to take issue with it, fine; free and fair debate. But don't delete it just because you don't like it.

Edited May 1, 2010 by dnoblett (see edit history)

[shenzhen]

Actually here is what a LPR is required to do in order to stay in the USA (see page 8)

 

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/M-618.pdf

 

There is a requirement to obey federal, state, and local laws.

 

The wording says:

 

"Permanent residents are issued a valid Permanent Resident Card (Form I-551) as proof of their legal status in the United States. Some people call this a "Green Card". If you are a permanent resident who is 18 years or older, you must carry proof of your immigrant status. You must show it to an immigration officer if asked for it."

 

The GC is PROOF of one's legal status. One must carry PROOF of one's legal status. This would seem to imply that one must carry the GC as proof of LPR status at all time. What else would be the proof of the LPR status? Note that is does not say you must carry a COPY of PROOF.

 

The AZ law has noting to do with LPR carrying or not carrying proof of their status. It makes it easier for local and state police to deal with any illegal immigrants they catch by not having to call and then wait for Border Security or some other jackass Fed. agency to put down a cup of coffee and stop looking at internet porn and come deal with an illegal immigration issue that they so clearly could care less about.

 

From an Immigration Lawyer's website:

 

http://immigrationroad.com/blog/do-i-have-...en-card-around/

 

Many people ask this question after becoming a permanent resident. The official answer is: Yes, you do. In fact, Form I-797 that came with your fresh new green card says:

 

When you receive your card you must carry it with you at all times if you are 18 or older. It is the law.

 

So there you go. The perfect answer.

Edited May 1, 2010 by shenzhen (see edit history)

[knloregon]

I disagree. CIS could have clearly stated that said proof was specifically the green card----throughout if that was the intent.

 

Pretty clear they didn't intend to limit "proof of immigrant status" to the green card.

 

But near as I can tell, doesn't matter as it relates to the Arizona immigration law, since CIS makes it quite clear: Green card is only for Federal use, and you need only show it to: "an immigration officer."

 

Quite sure that aint including an Arizona immigration officer, since the Feds probably quite jealously reserve the right to determine who is, or is not a foreign legal resident of the US ----

 

Arizona wants green cards, they need to print their own (and can't imagine they would be green---more like sun bleached tans and yellows). ---and good luck not clashing with the Feds on that.

 

-----but yeah, Alan, could not agree more that ICE even though they protect their turf they also do a lousy job of enforcement. Blame both political parties for that---Big Ag on the right----bleeding heart liberals on the left----cheap (illegal) domestic help, and child care at the highest levels of both parties..

[dnoblett]

Split this from the Diplomat beating topic because a diplomat does NOT carry a green-card, they are NOT an LPR.

 

Does not relate to other topic.

[C4Racer]

"...As long as the Chinese dishwasher has his papers then all is well, right?.."

 

Papers? What papers?

 

He (she) is legally in the US as a Permanent Resident. Why should she need more than: Valid driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance?

 

Because the documents you mention are not acceptable proof of immigrant status. You can get these documents while your status is legal, but still have them after your status changes. Example, you are here on a two year green card and while your status is legal, you acquire an Oregon drivers license. ODL's are vaild for 8 years. Now you file for removal of conditions, but are denied. So you are no longer legal, but you still have your valid ODL.

 

The only document which shows proof of your immigrant status is your I-551 card or green card. So, yes technically you must carry this card with you at all times.

[sweattrl1]

my wife never carry her card , and i told her no need to , if the need ever arise , then we will deal with it at that time ,no matter what the law states,cards are a pain in the ass to replace ,if lost or stolenso why fuss , about what something state,get on with your life and relaz

[Am4wag]

my wife never carry her card , and i told her no need to , if the need ever arise , then we will deal with it at that time ,no matter what the law states,cards are a pain in the ass to replace ,if lost or stolenso why fuss , about what something state,get on with your life and relaz

 

Same here......

[Michael]

my wife never carry her card , and i told her no need to , if the need ever arise , then we will deal with it at that time ,no matter what the law states,cards are a pain in the ass to replace ,if lost or stolenso why fuss , about what something state,get on with your life and relaz

 

Same here......

 

Same here. Think about the cost of replacing it. This was a Diplomat that was wrong and what he did. And the ploice officer also. Bottom line find the rules on Diplomats. That will answer all your questions.

[tsap seui]

my wife never carry her card , and i told her no need to , if the need ever arise , then we will deal with it at that time ,no matter what the law states,cards are a pain in the ass to replace ,if lost or stolenso why fuss , about what something state,get on with your life and relaz

 

Same here......

 

Not picking onm you two guys here, because I agree with you about the costs and hassle of replacing a lost green card...how about a good color copy to carry? Some cops would let you go with that, and for the anal ones you could go home and get the danged card.

 

tsap seui

[credzba]

my wife never carry her card , and i told her no need to , if the need ever arise , then we will deal with it at that time ,no matter what the law states,cards are a pain in the ass to replace ,if lost or stolenso why fuss , about what something state,get on with your life and relaz

 

Same here......

 

Not picking onm you two guys here, because I agree with you about the costs and hassle of replacing a lost green card...how about a good color copy to carry? Some cops would let you go with that, and for the anal ones you could go home and get the danged card.

 

tsap seui

 

I just don't see the issue ..

Bottom line is either way you are taking a risk:

1) If you carry it, something will happen and you will loose it. Then your out 500$ and a hassle getting it replaced

2) You don't carry it, and some anal person demands to see it.

 

Each person just has to decide for themselves which is the lesser risk, and go with their decision.

 

My only question is how they decide to ask for it?

If I only speak mandarin, and I have dark skin, then I will be asked for a green card?

 

If I am a citizen, with no passport, and I LONG ago lost my birth certificate, will they lock me up in jail for the 6 weeks it takes to request and get my birth certificate?

 

As a citizen, what requirements ARE placed on me to "prove" my citizenship.

 

This discussion has ben about greencard holders, but it seems VERY arbitrary to allow anyone to start asking people for citizenship proof, and you have to presume some percentage of the people asked for "proof" will be citizens.

[knloregon]

"...1) If you carry it, something will happen and you will loose it. Then your out 500$ and a hassle getting it replaced

2) You don't carry it, and some anal person demands to see it.

 

1) don't want the hassle. don't want to pay $500.00

 

2) don't like anal persons who exceed their authority. (only Federal immigration agents have a right to see Wife's green card)

 

 

"This discussion has ben about greencard holders, but it seems VERY arbitrary to allow anyone to start asking people for citizenship proof, and you have to presume some percentage of the people asked for "proof" will be citizens. "

 

Exactly the point isn't it? "Some percentage" ???

 

My guess is that the overwhelming percentage of those who state that they are US Citizens ----and then go on to present their: Driver's licenses, registration, and proof of insurance -------------- are in fact, US Citizens, legally in the country.

 

NOW: My guess is that the overwhelming percentage of those who state that they are Permanent Residents----and then go on to present their: Driver's licenses, registration and proof of insurance ----------- are in fact, Permanent Residents, legally in the country.

 

Do we really want to support the extra hassle ---and yes, in some instances, racial profiling, and as a result--- police possibly asking for favors---- (after midnight on a rural road) ---of our SOs or ANY legal immigrant??

 

{edit} Placed quote tags. Please use the reply button in the quote so that the post is less confusing.

Edited May 10, 2010 by dnoblett (see edit history)

[Randy W]

------------------ Sorry, out a here ----------------------

Edited May 10, 2010 by Randy W (see edit history)

[Kyle]

the cost is $370 to replace the card - not $500.

 

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...00048f3d6a1RCRD

Edited May 10, 2010 by Kyle (see edit history)

[dnoblett]

"...1) If you carry it, something will happen and you will loose it. Then your out 500$ and a hassle getting it replaced

2) You don't carry it, and some anal person demands to see it.

 

1) don't want the hassle. don't want to pay $500.00

 

2) don't like anal persons who exceed their authority. (only Federal immigration agents have a right to see Wife's green card)

 

 

"This discussion has ben about greencard holders, but it seems VERY arbitrary to allow anyone to start asking people for citizenship proof, and you have to presume some percentage of the people asked for "proof" will be citizens. "

 

Exactly the point isn't it? "Some percentage" ???

 

My guess is that the overwhelming percentage of those who state that they are US Citizens ----and then go on to present their: Driver's licenses, registration, and proof of insurance -------------- are in fact, US Citizens, legally in the country.

 

NOW: My guess is that the overwhelming percentage of those who state that they are Permanent Residents----and then go on to present their: Driver's licenses, registration and proof of insurance ----------- are in fact, Permanent Residents, legally in the country.

 

Do we really want to support the extra hassle ---and yes, in some instances, racial profiling, and as a result--- police possibly asking for favors---- (after midnight on a rural road) ---of our SOs or ANY legal immigrant??

 

 

the cost is $370 to replace the card - not $500.

 

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...00048f3d6a1RCRD

Yep, $370

 

As for proof of US citizenship, they will not and cannot ask for this. However showing a state ID like a drivers license is enough to satisfy anyone. States do not give out ID's or Driver's license unless legal presence is demonstrated. A green-card holder that presents a State ID or DL will more than likely be treated the same as a US Citizen and waived on. An Illegal Alien more than likely will not have a State ID, or DL. Even if green-card holder or citizen has no ID on them, the authority can quickly verify who you are by looking you up, the states do share this information.