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[djwalker60]

My wife adopted her brothers daughter and now i need to know what other forms i need? I know i list her daughter on the I-130, but can't see anywhere else to list her for the CR1/CR2 Visa, oh besides the DS-230 the Application for Immigrant Visa an Alien Registration form. But i am confused about the portion for "Father" on this form. She told me on adoption form shows no father,,, so i am a bit confused..

 

Thanks

Dan

[dnoblett]

You file two I-130 forms one for spouses CR-1 and one for her child CR-2 as well as pay a fee for each petition.

 

Child's I-130 will need proof of legal custody.

[djwalker60]

You file two I-130 forms one for spouses CR-1 and one for her child CR-2 as well as pay a fee for each petition.

 

Child's I-130 will need proof of legal custody.

 

So, $355 each?? and each a separate I-130. Thank You, but still confused on the fathers name.. If no name on adoption documents, then you will or will NOT need to list a father on the I-130 and the DS-230? that is the most confusing part? or should i attempt a call to the USCIS and ask them?

 

thanks again

Dan

[warpedbored]

My wife adopted her brothers daughter and now i need to know what other forms i need? I know i list her daughter on the I-130, but can't see anywhere else to list her for the CR1/CR2 Visa, oh besides the DS-230 the Application for Immigrant Visa an Alien Registration form. But i am confused about the portion for "Father" on this form. She told me on adoption form shows no father,,, so i am a bit confused..

 

Thanks

Dan

How long ago did she adopt her niece? There may be some complications if it was too recent.

[djwalker60]

My wife adopted her brothers daughter and now i need to know what other forms i need? I know i list her daughter on the I-130, but can't see anywhere else to list her for the CR1/CR2 Visa, oh besides the DS-230 the Application for Immigrant Visa an Alien Registration form. But i am confused about the portion for "Father" on this form. She told me on adoption form shows no father,,, so i am a bit confused..

 

Thanks

Dan

How long ago did she adopt her niece? There may be some complications if it was too recent.

 

 

over two years ago... Any issues with this? so it was not that recent.

[Randy W]

My wife adopted her brothers daughter and now i need to know what other forms i need? I know i list her daughter on the I-130, but can't see anywhere else to list her for the CR1/CR2 Visa, oh besides the DS-230 the Application for Immigrant Visa an Alien Registration form. But i am confused about the portion for "Father" on this form. She told me on adoption form shows no father,,, so i am a bit confused..

 

Thanks

Dan

How long ago did she adopt her niece? There may be some complications if it was too recent.

 

over two years ago... Any issues with this? so it was not that recent.

 

 

The complication would come if a VO that that the birth parents had their child adopted off in order to make her eligible for a visa.

 

Just something to be aware of. Maybe take extra care with the pictures to show the relationship

Edited December 23, 2009 by Randy W (see edit history)

[djwalker60]

My wife adopted her brothers daughter and now i need to know what other forms i need? I know i list her daughter on the I-130, but can't see anywhere else to list her for the CR1/CR2 Visa, oh besides the DS-230 the Application for Immigrant Visa an Alien Registration form. But i am confused about the portion for "Father" on this form. She told me on adoption form shows no father,,, so i am a bit confused..

 

Thanks

Dan

How long ago did she adopt her niece? There may be some complications if it was too recent.

 

over two years ago... Any issues with this? so it was not that recent.

 

 

The complication would come if a VO that that the birth parents had their child adopted off in order to make her eligible for a visa.

 

Just something to be aware of. Maybe take extra care with the pictures to show the relationship

 

 

In other words, be sure the wife has photos of her and her adopted daughter from many years ago to show it was not a scam to get the girl a visa, correct? Also, still having thoughts about these forms. The DS-230 and her G325a,, on the adoption documents indicates no father.. But of course the girl has a birth father.. So the question is: What to put as the father? should i call our friends at USCIS for guidance? Other than this part, i believe i have ( i hope ) everything else figured out..

 

thanks Again,

[Randy W]

 

In other words, be sure the wife has photos of her and her adopted daughter from many years ago to show it was not a scam to get the girl a visa, correct? Also, still having thoughts about these forms. The DS-230 and her G325a,, on the adoption documents indicates no father.. But of course the girl has a birth father.. So the question is: What to put as the father? should i call our friends at USCIS for guidance? Other than this part, i believe i have ( i hope ) everything else figured out..

 

thanks Again,

 

 

Sorry - that part of your question was apparently dropped. I don't think we've seen that before, but maybe someone has and can chime in.

 

My own guess would be that the adoption terminated parental rights and you would NOT list the birth father - this person has no legal say or contribution to her life, as would be expected of a legal guardian/parent.

 

Also - NO - do NOT call USCIS

Edited December 23, 2009 by Randy W (see edit history)

[djwalker60]

 

In other words, be sure the wife has photos of her and her adopted daughter from many years ago to show it was not a scam to get the girl a visa, correct? Also, still having thoughts about these forms. The DS-230 and her G325a,, on the adoption documents indicates no father.. But of course the girl has a birth father.. So the question is: What to put as the father? should i call our friends at USCIS for guidance? Other than this part, i believe i have ( i hope ) everything else figured out..

 

thanks Again,

 

 

Sorry - that part of your question was apparently dropped. I don't think we've seen that before, but maybe someone has and can chime in.

 

My own guess would be that the adoption terminated parental rights and you would NOT list the birth father - this person has no legal say or contribution to her life, as would be expected of a legal guardian/parent.

 

Also - NO - do NOT call USCIS

 

Thank You again for the help. Just when I thought i had all of my ducks in a row.... one decides to step out of line..

[djwalker60]

 

In other words, be sure the wife has photos of her and her adopted daughter from many years ago to show it was not a scam to get the girl a visa, correct? Also, still having thoughts about these forms. The DS-230 and her G325a,, on the adoption documents indicates no father.. But of course the girl has a birth father.. So the question is: What to put as the father? should i call our friends at USCIS for guidance? Other than this part, i believe i have ( i hope ) everything else figured out..

 

thanks Again,

 

 

Sorry - that part of your question was apparently dropped. I don't think we've seen that before, but maybe someone has and can chime in.

 

My own guess would be that the adoption terminated parental rights and you would NOT list the birth father - this person has no legal say or contribution to her life, as would be expected of a legal guardian/parent.

 

Also - NO - do NOT call USCIS

 

Thank You again for the help. Just when I thought i had all of my ducks in a row.... one decides to step out of line..

 

what about putting in the statement where i would put the fathers name "see attached supplement" and give explanation and also attach copy of and translated copy of the adoption documents.. you think this would be sufficient?

 

thanks

[C4Racer]

 

In other words, be sure the wife has photos of her and her adopted daughter from many years ago to show it was not a scam to get the girl a visa, correct? Also, still having thoughts about these forms. The DS-230 and her G325a,, on the adoption documents indicates no father.. But of course the girl has a birth father.. So the question is: What to put as the father? should i call our friends at USCIS for guidance? Other than this part, i believe i have ( i hope ) everything else figured out..

 

thanks Again,

 

 

Sorry - that part of your question was apparently dropped. I don't think we've seen that before, but maybe someone has and can chime in.

 

My own guess would be that the adoption terminated parental rights and you would NOT list the birth father - this person has no legal say or contribution to her life, as would be expected of a legal guardian/parent.

 

Also - NO - do NOT call USCIS

 

Thank You again for the help. Just when I thought i had all of my ducks in a row.... one decides to step out of line..

 

what about putting in the statement where i would put the fathers name "see attached supplement" and give explanation and also attach copy of and translated copy of the adoption documents.. you think this would be sufficient?

 

thanks

 

I would be extremely careful with this. This is where too much information could hurt your chances. I checked into adoption a while back. My wife wanted to bring her nephew to live with us in the US. Just because China recognizes the adoption does not mean it will be recognized by the US for immigration purposes. The general rule of thumb is the child must be considered abandoned. This is not usually case within family to another family member adoptions. This does not mean yours could not happen. Another rule is for previous adoptions like hers, the child must have lived with her for two years.

 

Since the adoption happened before the two of you met and the child has lived with her for two years, I would expect the abandoned rule not to be an issue. If you explain this was an inter-family adoption, they still could refuse the visa. I would simply submit any K2 CR-2 paperwork with adoption papers as evidence. If you submit the explanation to USCIS and they approve the case, this may take it out of the hands of the consulate. Then they could decide to look for something else to cause you problems. I would treat it like any normal mother - child relationship. Only explain if asked about by the consulate.

 

 

{edit} Correction not K-2, OP is CR-1 CR-2

Edited December 24, 2009 by dnoblett (see edit history)

[djwalker60]

 

In other words, be sure the wife has photos of her and her adopted daughter from many years ago to show it was not a scam to get the girl a visa, correct? Also, still having thoughts about these forms. The DS-230 and her G325a,, on the adoption documents indicates no father.. But of course the girl has a birth father.. So the question is: What to put as the father? should i call our friends at USCIS for guidance? Other than this part, i believe i have ( i hope ) everything else figured out..

 

thanks Again,

 

 

Sorry - that part of your question was apparently dropped. I don't think we've seen that before, but maybe someone has and can chime in.

 

My own guess would be that the adoption terminated parental rights and you would NOT list the birth father - this person has no legal say or contribution to her life, as would be expected of a legal guardian/parent.

 

Also - NO - do NOT call USCIS

 

Thank You again for the help. Just when I thought i had all of my ducks in a row.... one decides to step out of line..

 

what about putting in the statement where i would put the fathers name "see attached supplement" and give explanation and also attach copy of and translated copy of the adoption documents.. you think this would be sufficient?

 

thanks

 

I would be extremely careful with this. This is where too much information could hurt your chances. I checked into adoption a while back. My wife wanted to bring her nephew to live with us in the US. Just because China recognizes the adoption does not mean it will be recognized by the US for immigration purposes. The general rule of thumb is the child must be considered abandoned. This is not usually case within family to another family member adoptions. This does not mean yours could not happen. Another rule is for previous adoptions like hers, the child must have lived with her for two years.

 

Since the adoption happened before the two of you met and the child has lived with her for two years, I would expect the abandoned rule not to be an issue. If you explain this was an inter-family adoption, they still could refuse the visa. I would simply submit any K2 CR-2 paperwork with adoption papers as evidence. If you submit the explanation to USCIS and they approve the case, this may take it out of the hands of the consulate. Then they could decide to look for something else to cause you problems. I would treat it like any normal mother - child relationship. Only explain if asked about by the consulate.

 

 

{edit} Correction not K-2, OP is CR-1 CR-2

 

Thank You, I guess the old saying if you are not asked, do not offer anymore information than they are asking for. Yes, she has been living with her since 1999 so i hope there will not be any issues. One note, I've been reading a lot here and sure seems as if the US Embassy in Guangzhou is really tuff. Sometimes from what i read i almost feel as if the US Embassy is trying to prevent people from being together with their wives,, maybe they should be more concerned with the border to the south,, but do not get me started on that one. Gheez, only 14 million illegal and here we are trying to do this right and all we get is grief, the "spanish inquisition" and almost the interrogation of our wives to see if we have "bona fide" relationship. Sorry, i got on my soap box,, but i think OUR government should be more cooperative..

 

We'll I hope all will go well for us, I am tempted to get an info pass appointment and ask "them" what information is best to put on the forms. But isn't that like going into the enemies strong hold....

 

Oh, if i have offended anyone with my comments, i apologize. But i just get upset when i think of how our "immigration" policies work in the US...

[amberjack1234]

Oh, if i have offended anyone with my comments, i apologize. But i just get upset when i think of how our "immigration" policies work in the US...

 

I don't think that you will get any argument on this one it does indeed seem as though our government does not dispense the law with the same brush. In defense if I lived in Mexico I would be trying to do the same thing. Everone wants a better life for their families. So you can't blame them. My problem is how our immigration service discriminates. That is just my opinion.

 

Larry

 

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Edited December 25, 2009 by dnoblett (see edit history)

[C4Racer]

 

In other words, be sure the wife has photos of her and her adopted daughter from many years ago to show it was not a scam to get the girl a visa, correct? Also, still having thoughts about these forms. The DS-230 and her G325a,, on the adoption documents indicates no father.. But of course the girl has a birth father.. So the question is: What to put as the father? should i call our friends at USCIS for guidance? Other than this part, i believe i have ( i hope ) everything else figured out..

 

thanks Again,

 

 

Sorry - that part of your question was apparently dropped. I don't think we've seen that before, but maybe someone has and can chime in.

 

My own guess would be that the adoption terminated parental rights and you would NOT list the birth father - this person has no legal say or contribution to her life, as would be expected of a legal guardian/parent.

 

Also - NO - do NOT call USCIS

 

Thank You again for the help. Just when I thought i had all of my ducks in a row.... one decides to step out of line..

 

what about putting in the statement where i would put the fathers name "see attached supplement" and give explanation and also attach copy of and translated copy of the adoption documents.. you think this would be sufficient?

 

thanks

 

I would be extremely careful with this. This is where too much information could hurt your chances. I checked into adoption a while back. My wife wanted to bring her nephew to live with us in the US. Just because China recognizes the adoption does not mean it will be recognized by the US for immigration purposes. The general rule of thumb is the child must be considered abandoned. This is not usually case within family to another family member adoptions. This does not mean yours could not happen. Another rule is for previous adoptions like hers, the child must have lived with her for two years.

 

Since the adoption happened before the two of you met and the child has lived with her for two years, I would expect the abandoned rule not to be an issue. If you explain this was an inter-family adoption, they still could refuse the visa. I would simply submit any K2 CR-2 paperwork with adoption papers as evidence. If you submit the explanation to USCIS and they approve the case, this may take it out of the hands of the consulate. Then they could decide to look for something else to cause you problems. I would treat it like any normal mother - child relationship. Only explain if asked about by the consulate.

 

 

{edit} Correction not K-2, OP is CR-1 CR-2

 

Thank You, I guess the old saying if you are not asked, do not offer anymore information than they are asking for. Yes, she has been living with her since 1999 so i hope there will not be any issues. One note, I've been reading a lot here and sure seems as if the US Embassy in Guangzhou is really tuff. Sometimes from what i read i almost feel as if the US Embassy is trying to prevent people from being together with their wives,, maybe they should be more concerned with the border to the south,, but do not get me started on that one. Gheez, only 14 million illegal and here we are trying to do this right and all we get is grief, the "spanish inquisition" and almost the interrogation of our wives to see if we have "bona fide" relationship. Sorry, i got on my soap box,, but i think OUR government should be more cooperative..

 

We'll I hope all will go well for us, I am tempted to get an info pass appointment and ask "them" what information is best to put on the forms. But isn't that like going into the enemies strong hold....

 

Oh, if i have offended anyone with my comments, i apologize. But i just get upset when i think of how our "immigration" policies work in the US...

 

I agree with you that immigration is all screwed up, but fixing it isn't as simple as just watching the Mexican border. Yes, the southern borders need to be more secure. almost locked down. But remember, the 911 terrorists were granted visitor and student visas into the US. So all visa must be hard to get, including family. If the terrorists thought it would be easy, they would get married in a heart beat to reach their goals. Besides, the number of those who apply for family visas that are not truly families would stagger your mind. I have personally met two people who were paid to bring someone over as their spouse. I have also met a third who paid to come here on a work visa to have her child and never worked a single day in the US. These are all ones that slipped through the cracks, even with all the hard line policies in place for family and work visas. So, it is a difficult task to allow families to come together while trying to keep others from abusing the right given to us. Just because you show up as a family at the consulate, does not mean you are who you say you are. It is up to you to provide enough proof that you truly are a family. Once you do, yes it seems like not everyone gets the same laws applied evenly. So this is a big part of what is reallt screwed up.

 

If you want some input or wish to support those pushing for reform, you should join a family action organization. I am very surprised the one Carl posted did not get very much attention. Seems most like to bitch about the problem, but no one wants to be part of the solution.

Edited December 25, 2009 by C4Racer (see edit history)

[djwalker60]

 

In other words, be sure the wife has photos of her and her adopted daughter from many years ago to show it was not a scam to get the girl a visa, correct? Also, still having thoughts about these forms. The DS-230 and her G325a,, on the adoption documents indicates no father.. But of course the girl has a birth father.. So the question is: What to put as the father? should i call our friends at USCIS for guidance? Other than this part, i believe i have ( i hope ) everything else figured out..

 

thanks Again,

 

 

Sorry - that part of your question was apparently dropped. I don't think we've seen that before, but maybe someone has and can chime in.

 

My own guess would be that the adoption terminated parental rights and you would NOT list the birth father - this person has no legal say or contribution to her life, as would be expected of a legal guardian/parent.

 

Also - NO - do NOT call USCIS

 

Thank You again for the help. Just when I thought i had all of my ducks in a row.... one decides to step out of line..

 

what about putting in the statement where i would put the fathers name "see attached supplement" and give explanation and also attach copy of and translated copy of the adoption documents.. you think this would be sufficient?

 

thanks

 

I would be extremely careful with this. This is where too much information could hurt your chances. I checked into adoption a while back. My wife wanted to bring her nephew to live with us in the US. Just because China recognizes the adoption does not mean it will be recognized by the US for immigration purposes. The general rule of thumb is the child must be considered abandoned. This is not usually case within family to another family member adoptions. This does not mean yours could not happen. Another rule is for previous adoptions like hers, the child must have lived with her for two years.

 

Since the adoption happened before the two of you met and the child has lived with her for two years, I would expect the abandoned rule not to be an issue. If you explain this was an inter-family adoption, they still could refuse the visa. I would simply submit any K2 CR-2 paperwork with adoption papers as evidence. If you submit the explanation to USCIS and they approve the case, this may take it out of the hands of the consulate. Then they could decide to look for something else to cause you problems. I would treat it like any normal mother - child relationship. Only explain if asked about by the consulate.

 

 

{edit} Correction not K-2, OP is CR-1 CR-2

 

Thank You, I guess the old saying if you are not asked, do not offer anymore information than they are asking for. Yes, she has been living with her since 1999 so i hope there will not be any issues. One note, I've been reading a lot here and sure seems as if the US Embassy in Guangzhou is really tuff. Sometimes from what i read i almost feel as if the US Embassy is trying to prevent people from being together with their wives,, maybe they should be more concerned with the border to the south,, but do not get me started on that one. Gheez, only 14 million illegal and here we are trying to do this right and all we get is grief, the "spanish inquisition" and almost the interrogation of our wives to see if we have "bona fide" relationship. Sorry, i got on my soap box,, but i think OUR government should be more cooperative..

 

We'll I hope all will go well for us, I am tempted to get an info pass appointment and ask "them" what information is best to put on the forms. But isn't that like going into the enemies strong hold....

 

Oh, if i have offended anyone with my comments, i apologize. But i just get upset when i think of how our "immigration" policies work in the US...

 

I agree with you that immigration is all screwed up, but fixing it isn't as simple as just watching the Mexican border. Yes, the southern borders need to be more secure. almost locked down. But remember, the 911 terrorists were granted visitor and student visas into the US. So all visa must be hard to get, including family. If the terrorists thought it would be easy, they would get married in a heart beat to reach their goals. Besides, the number of those who apply for family visas that are not truly families would stagger your mind. I have personally met two people who were paid to bring someone over as their spouse. I have also met a third who paid to come here on a work visa to have her child and never worked a single day in the US. These are all ones that slipped through the cracks, even with all the hard line policies in place for family and work visas. So, it is a difficult task to allow families to come together while trying to keep others from abusing the right given to us. Just because you show up as a family at the consulate, does not mean you are who you say you are. It is up to you to provide enough proof that you truly are a family. Once you do, yes it seems like not everyone gets the same laws applied evenly. So this is a big part of what is reallt screwed up.

 

If you want some input or wish to support those pushing for reform, you should join a family action organization. I am very surprised the one Carl posted did not get very much attention. Seems most like to bitch about the problem, but no one wants to be part of the solution.

 

 

True on all points, I (we) have no issues with showing or proving our bona fide relationship. I guess it was a bad night last night, especially during the holidays being separated. I hope all goes well so next holiday we are together. We'll I guess the only thing i can do is to give proof. Just hard to determine how much is too much. Case in point, by the time we get to the interview i am sure i will have over a thousand pages of emails, and chat sessions, hundreds of pages of phone call logs.. I guess to give some from the beginning, middle and time right before the interview. But I will be there for the interview and if i have too, i'll bring another suitcase full of all our proof. I have nothing to hide..

 

We'll with that said, about the "active" part in the immigration laws. Hard to determine who to really talk to about this. I would be willing to write letters and talk to senators as i have already done. But even after talking with Senators, they told me it was not a high priority for them politically as the health care issue has higher visibility for them now. Only thing I can do is to keep writing to them.

 

Oh we'll all take care.. I'll do all I can to ensure a successful interview.

 

Cheers

Dan