Li & John Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) In a country where one race think they are more prestigious than the others, the government doesnt have a right to bash other countries about human rights. I think most of the members know exactly what I am talking about after their SO experience all the hardship of going through all the visa process, applying for jobs.....end of argument. Edited January 9, 2009 by Li & John (see edit history) Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) In a country where one race think they are more prestigious than the others, the government doesnt have a right to bash other countries about human rights. I think most of the members know exactly what I am talking about after their SO experience all the hardship of going through all the visa process, applying for jobs..... Yeah, yeah... white power... yawn.. You find what you look for. Edited January 9, 2009 by Jeikun (see edit history) Link to comment
Guest jin979 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 what i find interesting is that china has 1000's of years of shaping its culture and political identity and beliefs. yet again we see here western expressing a "superiority belief" that it is better to "enjoy" your system, freedoms and beliefs. Roger my family "enjoy" the chinese way, please feel free to enjoy your way, but please stop telling us yours is better.maybe for you it is but then you are not chinese. 1000 years just ain't what it used to be, especially when 950 of them was under some sort of authoritarian rule. Nobody is telling anybody what to "enjoy" see post #22 But I'm sorry if it's laughable to suggest that the Chinese people enjoy anything approaching what Americans have in the arena of human rights, freedoms, and guarantee of the rule of law..The word "enjoy" is used in a different context - the Chinese (and American) people have what rights they have ("enjoy" them, as Roger put it) - whether they receive pleasure from them is a different matter the context "enjoys" implies better not pleasure . something china needs to reach. implies a superoir position. Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 what i find interesting is that china has 1000's of years of shaping its culture and political identity and beliefs. yet again we see here western expressing a "superiority belief" that it is better to "enjoy" your system, freedoms and beliefs. Roger my family "enjoy" the chinese way, please feel free to enjoy your way, but please stop telling us yours is better.maybe for you it is but then you are not chinese. 1000 years just ain't what it used to be, especially when 950 of them was under some sort of authoritarian rule. Nobody is telling anybody what to "enjoy" see post #22 But I'm sorry if it's laughable to suggest that the Chinese people enjoy anything approaching what Americans have in the arena of human rights, freedoms, and guarantee of the rule of law..The word "enjoy" is used in a different context - the Chinese (and American) people have what rights they have ("enjoy" them, as Roger put it) - whether they receive pleasure from them is a different matter the context "enjoys" implies better not pleasure . something china needs to reach. implies a superoir position. Actually it means by definition in this case "to have the use or benefit of". No position superior or otherwise implied. Link to comment
Guest jin979 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 In a country where one race think they are more prestigious than the others, the government doesnt have a right to bash other countries about human rights. I think most of the members know exactly what I am talking about after their SO experience all the hardship of going through all the visa process, applying for jobs..... Yeah, yeah... white power... yawn.. You find what you look for. to deny racism to chinese in usa is the same as denying you breath air Link to comment
Guest jin979 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 what i find interesting is that china has 1000's of years of shaping its culture and political identity and beliefs. yet again we see here western expressing a "superiority belief" that it is better to "enjoy" your system, freedoms and beliefs. Roger my family "enjoy" the chinese way, please feel free to enjoy your way, but please stop telling us yours is better.maybe for you it is but then you are not chinese. 1000 years just ain't what it used to be, especially when 950 of them was under some sort of authoritarian rule. Nobody is telling anybody what to "enjoy" see post #22 But I'm sorry if it's laughable to suggest that the Chinese people enjoy anything approaching what Americans have in the arena of human rights, freedoms, and guarantee of the rule of law..The word "enjoy" is used in a different context - the Chinese (and American) people have what rights they have ("enjoy" them, as Roger put it) - whether they receive pleasure from them is a different matter the context "enjoys" implies better not pleasure . something china needs to reach. implies a superoir position. Actually it means by definition in this case "to have the use or benefit of". No position superior or otherwise implied. of course the implication is of a superior position. Link to comment
Randy W Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Sorry if we fail your English lesson . . . Link to comment
amberjack1234 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Jin, I think that it is great that you have stated and stuck by your beliefs here in this discussion. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. So having said that don't take my next statement as inflammatory. Just my opinion for what it's worth, which is nothing. It is obvious where you and your family are situated in the hierarchy of China's society. I can tell you that my wife and her family does not share your joy. Larry what i find interesting is that china has 1000's of years of shaping its culture and political identity and beliefs. yet again we see here western expressing a "superiority belief" that it is better to "enjoy" your system, freedoms and beliefs. Roger my family "enjoy" the chinese way, please feel free to enjoy your way, but please stop telling us yours is better.maybe for you it is but then you are not chinese. Link to comment
Guest jin979 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 sorry, you all are following the British and French in past in the belief you are best and rest of world should follow your beliefs and system(make the world american), which we see work so well this years.time for america to mature and realise they are not #1 or best, have no right to dictate to others, soon usa will be behind china, India, europe as economys , the others will maybe will be shaping you to change. maybe it will mean president and govenment "for the people" not busniss, a socialist america, not run by freemasons and rich business men.america needs to learn from others too Link to comment
Guest jin979 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Jin, I think that it is great that you have stated and stuck by your beliefs here in this discussion. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. So having said that don't take my next statement as inflammatory. Just my opinion for what it's worth, which is nothing. It is obvious where you and your family are situated in the hierarchy of China's society. I can tell you that my wife and her family does not share your joy. Larry what i find interesting is that china has 1000's of years of shaping its culture and political identity and beliefs. yet again we see here western expressing a "superiority belief" that it is better to "enjoy" your system, freedoms and beliefs. Roger my family "enjoy" the chinese way, please feel free to enjoy your way, but please stop telling us yours is better.maybe for you it is but then you are not chinese. my baba was truck driver. mother work in factory. brother worker in stell factory. common people not rich in money. Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Sorry if we fail your English lesson . . . Just shining the light of linguistic truth into the darkness of emotional misinterpretation pard'ner. It wasn't my quote being questioned anyway. I saw no reason to pick on a poor little word though. Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 sorry, you all are following the British and French in past in the belief you are best and rest of world should follow your beliefs and system(make the world american), which we see work so well this years.time for america to mature and realise they are not #1 or best, have no right to dictate to others, soon usa will be behind china, India, europe as economys , the others will maybe will be shaping you to change. maybe it will mean president and govenment "for the people" not busniss, a socialist america, not run by freemasons and rich business men.america needs to learn from others too If the whole world was American, it wouldn't be worth living in, so thank goodness it isn't. I do agree with you that many americans, and many Americal foreign policies push our agenda on others. So has every world power, traditionally. Hopefully when China is #1 it will carry the torch better than we, but humans are humans regardless of nationality, and those in power tend to manuver to stay that way, so I won't hold my breath. I don't think this thread had to be about that though. It's sad it couldn't be discussed on charter 08 itself. It's democratic in nature, yes, but it is also Chinese. There are Chinese people who want, and advocate democracy, just as there are Americans who do not. Democracy is not an American invention, after all. I would find that to be the more interesting discussion. I personally enjoy the freedoms my country provides me, so of course I look at life through that filter. But I am not dictating foreign policy to China, I am merely giving my opinion. Reality won't warp itself to fit or oppose my view regardless of how eloquently or foolishly I state my opinion. We can share different views, opinions, and desires and benefit from reading those of others without the antipathy that brings out the defensiveness and attacks... well theoretically we could. And sorry, Jin. I quoted you, but my reply started to you, then became more general. I'm not pointing a finger at you or anything. Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 In a country where one race think they are more prestigious than the others, the government doesnt have a right to bash other countries about human rights. I think most of the members know exactly what I am talking about after their SO experience all the hardship of going through all the visa process, applying for jobs..... Yeah, yeah... white power... yawn.. You find what you look for. to deny racism to chinese in usa is the same as denying you breath air I must breathe water then. Are there racist individuals? Of course there are. Just as there are everywhere. But John's post carried an implication that it was institutionalized and/or epidemic in that it made our country hypocritical to "bash" other countries on human rights (which was off topic and out of left field anyway). That I wholeheartedly deny, and I am sorry if your experience has been a negative one with regards to racism, there is no excusing it. But I hold a firm belief that the majority of Americans will judge you by your actions and personality before they judge you by your race. Link to comment
Jeikun Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 what i find interesting is that china has 1000's of years of shaping its culture and political identity and beliefs. yet again we see here western expressing a "superiority belief" that it is better to "enjoy" your system, freedoms and beliefs. Roger my family "enjoy" the chinese way, please feel free to enjoy your way, but please stop telling us yours is better.maybe for you it is but then you are not chinese. 1000 years just ain't what it used to be, especially when 950 of them was under some sort of authoritarian rule. Nobody is telling anybody what to "enjoy" see post #22 But I'm sorry if it's laughable to suggest that the Chinese people enjoy anything approaching what Americans have in the arena of human rights, freedoms, and guarantee of the rule of law..The word "enjoy" is used in a different context - the Chinese (and American) people have what rights they have ("enjoy" them, as Roger put it) - whether they receive pleasure from them is a different matter the context "enjoys" implies better not pleasure . something china needs to reach. implies a superoir position. Actually it means by definition in this case "to have the use or benefit of". No position superior or otherwise implied. of course the implication is of a superior position. Webster's dictionary would disagree with you. Link to comment
Randy W Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Sorry if we fail your English lesson . . . Just shining the light of linguistic truth into the darkness of emotional misinterpretation pard'ner. It wasn't my quote being questioned anyway. I saw no reason to pick on a poor little word though. I meant hers not yours - I just thought it ironic that we would be held to the meaning of the word "enjoy" chosen by a Chinese. Link to comment
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