Richard & Li Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 I surprisingly haven't seen any reference to this. You may consider it B) But, when discussing 'scandals' in China, I think this is important to remember. All the information you have is being 'filtered' through the Western News organizations who have recently demonstrated a strong anti-China bias that has gone to the extent of blatant lies in their campaign to keep public opinion against anything Chinese. Yes, there has been a melamine problem. Has it been as bad as reported? IMHO, probably not. Link to comment
rogerluli Posted November 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Absolutely not so...All these stories are being widely reported in the Chinese news sources as well... Link to comment
IllinoisDave Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Absolutely not so...All these stories are being widely reported in the Chinese news sources as well... Exactly. Even the Chinese gov't is beginning to acknowledge the depth of this scandal (as reported in the Chinese medai) and to start down the road to correcting it. IMHO this supposed anti-China bias in the Western media is way over-stated and too often a convenient meme to fall back on when folks don't happen to like the news coming out of China. Sometimes things ARE as bad as reported. Link to comment
Richard & Li Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Perhaps. However, I've lost faith in the reliability of the news media. I'm now hopelessly jaded in that regard. In any event, I hope China is able to enforce standards in industry through; legislation, regulation, rigorous inspection and quality controls. The threat of 'severe punishment' if caught 'cheating' is clearly not effective. Link to comment
Guest ShaQuaNew Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Perhaps. However, I've lost faith in the reliability of the news media. I'm now hopelessly jaded in that regard. In any event, I hope China is able to enforce standards in industry through; legislation, regulation, rigorous inspection and quality controls. The threat of 'severe punishment' if caught 'cheating' is clearly not effective. The people of China are working very hard to ensure the safety of their food, but as Joanne mentioned, it's quite tough to keep up with, but they are indeed making strong headway. China takes it's image very seriously, even though it may seem to many Westerners that it's never enough Link to comment
rogerluli Posted November 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Perhaps. However, I've lost faith in the reliability of the news media. I'm now hopelessly jaded in that regard. In any event, I hope China is able to enforce standards in industry through; legislation, regulation, rigorous inspection and quality controls. The threat of 'severe punishment' if caught 'cheating' is clearly not effective. The people of China are working very hard to ensure the safety of their food, but as Joanne mentioned, it's quite tough to keep up with, but they are indeed making strong headway. China takes it's image very seriously, even though it may seem to many Westerners that it's never enough Forget the image... As a major food exporter China MUST get its act together WHATEVER IT TAKES to insure the safety of its food...Not to mention making it safe for its own people... Link to comment
Richard & Li Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Perhaps. However, I've lost faith in the reliability of the news media. I'm now hopelessly jaded in that regard. In any event, I hope China is able to enforce standards in industry through; legislation, regulation, rigorous inspection and quality controls. The threat of 'severe punishment' if caught 'cheating' is clearly not effective. The people of China are working very hard to ensure the safety of their food, but as Joanne mentioned, it's quite tough to keep up with, but they are indeed making strong headway. China takes it's image very seriously, even though it may seem to many Westerners that it's never enough I did not mean to come off as critical of China's efforts. But, after re-reading my statement, I can see I should have taken more time writing it. What I meant was: I know China is in the process of instituting modern and proven means of ensuring quality and safety. I understand that the rapid growth of the country's industries has exceeded the government's ability to legislate and enforce regulation. I wish China success in narrowing this gap rapidly and efficiently. We have seen that punitive measures, even severe ones, leveled against those who undermine the world's confidence in Chinese goods is not an effective deterrent to others who see quick and large profit in activities ultimately harmful to all Chinese industries. I hope the need for such measures will be unnecessary in the near future. Link to comment
Guest ShaQuaNew Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Perhaps. However, I've lost faith in the reliability of the news media. I'm now hopelessly jaded in that regard. In any event, I hope China is able to enforce standards in industry through; legislation, regulation, rigorous inspection and quality controls. The threat of 'severe punishment' if caught 'cheating' is clearly not effective. The people of China are working very hard to ensure the safety of their food, but as Joanne mentioned, it's quite tough to keep up with, but they are indeed making strong headway. China takes it's image very seriously, even though it may seem to many Westerners that it's never enough I did not mean to come off as critical of China's efforts. But, after re-reading my statement, I can see I should have taken more time writing it. What I meant was: I know China is in the process of instituting modern and proven means of ensuring quality and safety. I understand that the rapid growth of the country's industries has exceeded the government's ability to legislate and enforce regulation. I wish China success in narrowing this gap rapidly and efficiently. We have seen that punitive measures, even severe ones, leveled against those who undermine the world's confidence in Chinese goods is not an effective deterrent to others who see quick and large profit in activities ultimately harmful to all Chinese industries. I hope the need for such measures will be unnecessary in the near future. I didn't see you as being critical at all. You seem to have a good sense of both the people and the culture when it comes to dealing with something as important as the food supply in China. As you mentioned, they are making headway, and considering the scale it's just not going to happen overnight. I won't be soon enough for anyone, but to be sure by the time Roger moves here, if he does, things will be even better. One thing for sure, is the people that live here, do watch the news and are keenly aware of what's going on. They are also quite sensitive to criticism. The quickest way to piss off a Chinese citizen, is to voice complaint about their country; again, I don't see you doing that. A new generation is emerging that will rival and surpass the safeguard system used in other Western countries. Link to comment
Richard & Li Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I didn't see you as being critical at all. You seem to have a good sense of both the people and the culture when it comes to dealing with something as important as the food supply in China. As you mentioned, they are making headway, and considering the scale it's just not going to happen overnight. I won't be soon enough for anyone, but to be sure by the time Roger moves here, if he does, things will be even better. One thing for sure, is the people that live here, do watch the news and are keenly aware of what's going on. They are also quite sensitive to criticism. The quickest way to piss off a Chinese citizen, is to voice complaint about their country; again, I don't see you doing that. A new generation is emerging that will rival and surpass the safeguard system used in other Western countries. Thanks! I'm actually very supportive of China. If the Chinese young people I know are any example: You're right! They're some of the best & brightest, and they're are very dedicated to improving and advancing their country. I think China's future is very bright! Link to comment
Sebastian Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Well, the USA FDA is soon opening inspection offices in China. Maybe they have other tests to accurately peg melamine. One can hope. Link to comment
rogerluli Posted November 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 but to be sure by the time Roger moves here, if he does, things will be even better. Oh I'm a comin' Jesse... Do you think we bought 4 houses in China for the fun of it??? Link to comment
rogerluli Posted November 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...62.html?sub=new The whole ugly, greedy story... Link to comment
IllinoisDave Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...62.html?sub=new The whole ugly, greedy story... So babies were sickened and killed because corrupt officials covered it up to save the Olympics the embarrassment. Sad doesn't begin to describe it. Link to comment
Sebastian Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...62.html?sub=new The whole ugly, greedy story... Roger - well. there ya go. Personally I hope all 'brokers' get the death sentence. Link to comment
rogerluli Posted November 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 The US FDA is now requiring every product being imported from China that contains any milk product to be tested for melamine BEFORE it can enter the country... http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/13/news/14fda.php Link to comment
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