izus Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 does anyone know if there is a program out that types pinyin? i mean with the tones over the vowels not the numbers at the end of the words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy W Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Check here http://www.mandarintools.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnoblett Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 (edited) try this one http://tools.google.com/pinyin/That is an IME, what izus is looking for produces roman characters with the accent marks above the vowels. ¨¡ ¨¢ ¨£ ¨¤ ¨¥ ¨¦ ¨§ ¨¨ ¨© ¨ª ¨« ¨¬ ¨ ¨® ¨¯ ¨° ¨± ¨² ¨³ ¨´ I ran into this a while ago when doing a web page for a Chinese class, I ended up using character map application in windows and making a table of all the vowel characters, and then cut and pasted the characters into my text. A quick search for pinyin tone marks came up with this: http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=13005 Note: this post may be better in the Chinese ESL and "pinyin" forum. http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?showforum=16 I just checked out the tool I posted link to, it works like a charm type ni1 and you get n¨© type ni2 and you get n¨ª the tool is called P¨©n¨©put and is an IME used in MS language bar. VERY COOL, works with Vista too. Edited August 12, 2008 by dnoblett (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izus Posted August 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 i installed the forst link http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=13005and it seems to work well. now will it allow me to post these symbols is my next question zh¨¨ g¨¨ ru¨£n ji¨¤n f¨¥i ch¨¢ng y¨¯u y¨¬ si Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnoblett Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 i installed the forst link http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=13005and it seems to work well. now will it allow me to post these symbols is my next question zh¨¨ g¨¨ ru¨£n ji¨¤n f¨¥i ch¨¢ng y¨¯u y¨¬ siSure looks like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_dawei Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 ¨¡ ¨¢ ¨£ ¨¤ ¨¥ ¨¦ ¨§ ¨¨ ¨© ¨ª ¨« ¨¬ ¨ ¨® ¨¯ ¨° ¨± ¨² ¨³ ¨´geez... you forgot the neutral characters: a e i o u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izus Posted August 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 i installed the forst link http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=13005and it seems to work well. now will it allow me to post these symbols is my next question zh¨¨ g¨¨ ru¨£n ji¨¤n f¨¥i ch¨¢ng y¨¯u y¨¬ siSure looks like it! B) the more i use it the more bugs i find in it.i gotta find another one i think. when it works it works great but there are too many times i try to type something and it just doesnt.like for instance shen2 me shi2 hou4 doesnt let allow the last 4th tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_dawei Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 everyone realize that pinyin accent is just for western wannabes... Why not bite the big one and just type IME simplified... wouldn't you rather learn the character anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izus Posted August 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 everyone realize that pinyin accent is just for western wannabes... Why not bite the big one and just type IME simplified... wouldn't you rather learn the character anyways? i am learning basic hanzi although children learn to speak before they learn how to spell the word.and actually without pinyin chinese computers would be impossible, plus by learning pinyin this is the next step to learning hanzi. im convinced i will learn it one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy W Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 (edited) and actually without pinyin chinese computers would be impossible, ??!?? Chinese computers don't use pinyin, except as one of several input methods Chinese characters are stored in memory by their unicode representations. Edited August 14, 2008 by Randy W (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izus Posted August 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 (edited) and actually without pinyin chinese computers would be impossible, ??!?? Chinese computers don't use pinyin, except as one of several input methods Chinese characters are stored in memory by their unicode representations.pinyin however is by far a more practical way i would think.i suppose the other way is called wu bi, the computer will select the correct word according to the words next to it but you have to memorize a chart before, one english letter represents one chinese character stroke.kind of time consuming i would think. Edited August 14, 2008 by izus (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy W Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 (edited) pinyin however is by far a more practical way i would think.i suppose the other way is the computer will select the correct word according to the words next to it but you have to memorize a chart before, one english letter represents one chinese character stroke.kind of time consuming i would think. We're talking about IME's here, not the OS. Professional typists use a coded system (there is more than 1) - where they memorize key sequences of 2 to 4 keys that represent the Chinese characters. This is faster than our keyboard system, since fewer characters (and hence fewer keystrokes) are needed. There are keyboard overlays for some that help out. One method from the past is the telegraphic codes. Writing pads and character recognition are also popular, and fairly fast since fewer characters are required than in English. During the Cultural Revolution, pinyin and foreign languages were not taught. Since then, however, most students have learned the pinyin and it is most popular among them. With either the pinyin or the writing pad IME's, you select the correct character from a list of possible matches. I think either method is slightly slower than ours because of this. Edited August 14, 2008 by Randy W (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izus Posted August 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 pinyin however is by far a more practical way i would think.i suppose the other way is the computer will select the correct word according to the words next to it but you have to memorize a chart before, one english letter represents one chinese character stroke.kind of time consuming i would think. We're talking about IME's here, not the OS. Professional typists use a coded system (there is more than 1) - where they memorize key sequences of 2 to 4 keys that represent the Chinese characters. This is faster than our keyboard system, since fewer characters (and hence fewer keystrokes) are needed. There are keyboard overlays for some that help out. One method from the past is the telegraphic codes. Writing pads and character recognition are also popular, and fairly fast since fewer characters are required than in English. During the Cultural Revolution, pinyin and foreign languages were not taught. Since then, however, most students have learned the pinyin and it is most popular among them. With either the pinyin or the writing pad IME's, you select the correct character from a list of possible matches. I think either method is slightly slower than ours because of this. p¨©n y¨©n ju¨¦ du¨¬ sh¨¬ de zu¨¬ sh¨°u hu¨¡n y¨ªng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy W Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 p¨©n y¨©n ju¨¦ du¨¬ sh¨¬ de zu¨¬ sh¨°u hu¨¡n y¨ªng Just for ju¨¦ - many to choose from before you have an actual Chinese character ¾ó ju¨¦ crabby; toughØã ju¨¦ chisel; engraveØÊ ju¨¦ his; itsàå ju¨¦ loud laughter½À ju¨¦ to chewæÞ ju¨¦ larvae of mosquitoŒÖ ju¨¦ hemp sandalsáÈ ju¨¦ towering as a peakŽ@ ju¨¦ sacrificial vessel‘Ý ju¨¦ fear; be in awe; sudden glance¾ñ ju¨¦ dig; pick¾ò ju¨¦ dig¾ð ju¨¦ seize (bird or animal)èö ju¨¦ rafter; malus toringoéÓ ju¨¦ a peg; low post›Q ¾ö ju¨¦ breach (a dyke); to decide; to determineˆ ju¨¦ bubble upìß ju¨¦ torch¾ô ju¨¦ nobility; (ancient wine holder with 3 legs and loop handle)â± ju¨¦ unruly; rude«P ju¨¦ a large ape found in W. China«i ju¨¦ half-circle jade ring«k çå ju¨¦ gems mounted togetherW ju¨¦ half-circle jade ring¯‹ ju¨¦ to hiccup; the humours of the bodyÛÇ ju¨¦ (surname); glance fearfully½^ ¾ø ju¨¦ cut short; extinct; to disappear; to vanish; absolutely; by no meansÄ_ ½Å ju¨¦ roleÄ” ju¨¦ palate; sausageÊ… ju¨¦ coarse grass used to show rankÞ§ ju¨¦ Pteridium aquilinumÏp ju¨¦ the Siberian jerboaÓX ¾õ ju¨¦ feel; find that; thinking; awake; aware½Ç ju¨¦ Chinese musical note; angle; hornõû ju¨¦ dissatisfiedÓ ju¨¦ buckle; clasp; ringÔE ¾÷ ju¨¦ farewell; secrets (of an art)×H ÚÜ ju¨¦ deceitfulØ ju¨¦ (ape)Ú‘ ju¨¦ to gallopõê ju¨¦ stumble; trample; to kick (as a horse)Üj ju¨¦ bend; leapâf ju¨¦ to pierce, to stab; to takeè‘ ju¨¦ a mattock; a billhookø` ju¨¦ shrike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izus Posted August 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 (edited) p¨©n y¨©n ju¨¦ du¨¬ sh¨¬ de zu¨¬ sh¨°u hu¨¡n y¨ªng Just for ju¨¦ - many to choose from before you have an actual Chinese character ¾ó ju¨¦ crabby; toughØã ju¨¦ chisel; engraveØÊ ju¨¦ his; itsàå ju¨¦ loud laughter½À ju¨¦ to chewæÞ ju¨¦ larvae of mosquitoŒÖ ju¨¦ hemp sandalsáÈ ju¨¦ towering as a peakŽ@ ju¨¦ sacrificial vessel‘Ý ju¨¦ fear; be in awe; sudden glance¾ñ ju¨¦ dig; pick¾ò ju¨¦ dig¾ð ju¨¦ seize (bird or animal)èö ju¨¦ rafter; malus toringoéÓ ju¨¦ a peg; low post›Q ¾ö ju¨¦ breach (a dyke); to decide; to determineˆ ju¨¦ bubble upìß ju¨¦ torch¾ô ju¨¦ nobility; (ancient wine holder with 3 legs and loop handle)â± ju¨¦ unruly; rude«P ju¨¦ a large ape found in W. China«i ju¨¦ half-circle jade ring«k çå ju¨¦ gems mounted togetherW ju¨¦ half-circle jade ring¯‹ ju¨¦ to hiccup; the humours of the bodyÛÇ ju¨¦ (surname); glance fearfully½^ ¾ø ju¨¦ cut short; extinct; to disappear; to vanish; absolutely; by no meansÄ_ ½Å ju¨¦ roleÄ” ju¨¦ palate; sausageÊ… ju¨¦ coarse grass used to show rankÞ§ ju¨¦ Pteridium aquilinumÏp ju¨¦ the Siberian jerboaÓX ¾õ ju¨¦ feel; find that; thinking; awake; aware½Ç ju¨¦ Chinese musical note; angle; hornõû ju¨¦ dissatisfiedÓ ju¨¦ buckle; clasp; ringÔE ¾÷ ju¨¦ farewell; secrets (of an art)×H ÚÜ ju¨¦ deceitfulØ ju¨¦ (ape)Ú‘ ju¨¦ to gallopõê ju¨¦ stumble; trample; to kick (as a horse)Üj ju¨¦ bend; leapâf ju¨¦ to pierce, to stab; to takeè‘ ju¨¦ a mattock; a billhook?#96; ju¨¦ shrikethats why you need to speak chinese to understand the context if you see it together with du¨¬ you know it means ¾ø¶Ô or absolutely Edited August 14, 2008 by izus (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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