Retiring in China?

[Dan R]

 

 

Rule number one: Don't ever let the white man take over your country.

 

tsap seui

 

 

Uh.... I don't think the Hawaiians let us take over. They just were not prepared for the U.S. Marines to back the U.S. plantation owners coup. Queen Liliuokalani abdicated while under house arrest only to avoid the massacre of the Royal Guards who were planning to retake the Palace. The last crowned Princess was kept in a Sanitarium until she was allowed out in 1973. She was then too feeble to be feared as a figure head of the Hawaiian people. Today a group of Hawaiians still protest on the Iolani Palace grounds. The Island of Niihau still remains closed to non-Hawaiians.

[tsap seui]

 

 

Rule number one: Don't ever let the white man take over your country.

 

tsap seui

 

 

Uh.... I don't think the Hawaiians let us take over. They just were not prepared for the U.S. Marines to back the U.S. plantation owners coup. Queen Liliuokalani abdicated while under house arrest only to avoid the massacre of the Royal Guards who were planning to retake the Palace. The last crowned Princess was kept in a Sanitarium until she was allowed out in 1973. She was then too feeble to be feared as a figure head of the Hawaiian people. Today a group of Hawaiians still protest on the Iolani Palace grounds. The Island of Niihau still remains closed to non-Hawaiians.

 

Good histoy lesson Dan. Thanks!!

 

I just never saw any white faces living two familys in one 850-1,200 sq. ft. house. It was an eye opener to see the average Hawiian could not afford to own their own home in their own country. But then again, that's just life. I'm over it. Shucks, those natives were just lucky to have those marines to protect them...er...ah..the US plantation owners.

 

tsap seui

[rogerluli]

So Rog ... I'd say the equivalent in the current depressed SoCal real estate market might run about 2 to 2.5 million factoring in an ocean view, of course.

 

I certainly hope you're happy in Hainan and we intend to visit you bringing a housewarming gift of California cheese.

 

 

Ah sorry Jim we don't have an ocean view being 10 km from the South China Sea...In Hainan all the east coast cities are built back from the sea (or they aren't there anymore) because this stretch of real estate is known as the TYPHOON COAST... Of course that didn't stop the government from building their complex at Boao right up the Wanquan River about 200 meters and about 3 meters above sea level... In Qionghai we are at the extreme elevation of 28 meters...

 

We'll leave the light on for your visit and there must be some practical use for California cheese...

[GZBILL]

Yes, America has personal doctors which help keep a good follow up, but it is very expensive, especially after retirement. While in China, everything is very affordable. Co_pay is only 2.5 yuan, and I dont think there is much different in medical techology,except we have more people which will wear everything out much faster.

 

The co-pay you refer to is for people who are government employees and have government-employee health insurance. Nobody else is covered by that type of insurance -- especially someone who isn't Chinese.

 

That said, health care in China is much more affordable for routine matters and the quality of care is pretty good in most cases if you choose your health care providor cautiously.

 

For major health issues, I'd go to Hong Kong or Singapore.

 

Co_pay is the same to anyone, no matter who and what you are, a government worker, a citizen, a farmer, or a foreigner... the only difference is 2.5 for general visit, 20 for specialist.

 

You are confused.

 

The total price just to see a doctor in China for a consultation is extremely cheap -- maybe 2 or 3 RMB. This is in no way a co-pay; it is the total price.

 

Diagnostic tests and medication are also relatively cheap.

 

However, you need to be careful where you seek medical attention as there are many, many hopsitals and clinics that really suck and a lot of plain incompetent doctors. Again, you need to search for the good ones.

[ken88]

Yes, America has personal doctors which help keep a good follow up, but it is very expensive, especially after retirement. While in China, everything is very affordable. Co_pay is only 2.5 yuan, and I dont think there is much different in medical techology,except we have more people which will wear everything out much faster.

 

The co-pay you refer to is for people who are government employees and have government-employee health insurance. Nobody else is covered by that type of insurance -- especially someone who isn't Chinese.

 

That said, health care in China is much more affordable for routine matters and the quality of care is pretty good in most cases if you choose your health care providor cautiously.

 

For major health issues, I'd go to Hong Kong or Singapore.

 

Co_pay is the same to anyone, no matter who and what you are, a government worker, a citizen, a farmer, or a foreigner... the only difference is 2.5 for general visit, 20 for specialist.

 

You are confused.

 

The total price just to see a doctor in China for a consultation is extremely cheap -- maybe 2 or 3 RMB. This is in no way a co-pay; it is the total price.

 

Diagnostic tests and medication are also relatively cheap.

 

However, you need to be careful where you seek medical attention as there are many, many hopsitals and clinics that really suck and a lot of plain incompetent doctors. Again, you need to search for the good ones.

 

 

Do doctors and hospitals and labs really charge much more from Americans, than from the local people, as the rumor goes?

[GZBILL]

Yes, America has personal doctors which help keep a good follow up, but it is very expensive, especially after retirement. While in China, everything is very affordable. Co_pay is only 2.5 yuan, and I dont think there is much different in medical techology,except we have more people which will wear everything out much faster.

 

The co-pay you refer to is for people who are government employees and have government-employee health insurance. Nobody else is covered by that type of insurance -- especially someone who isn't Chinese.

 

That said, health care in China is much more affordable for routine matters and the quality of care is pretty good in most cases if you choose your health care providor cautiously.

 

For major health issues, I'd go to Hong Kong or Singapore.

 

Co_pay is the same to anyone, no matter who and what you are, a government worker, a citizen, a farmer, or a foreigner... the only difference is 2.5 for general visit, 20 for specialist.

 

You are confused.

 

The total price just to see a doctor in China for a consultation is extremely cheap -- maybe 2 or 3 RMB. This is in no way a co-pay; it is the total price.

 

Diagnostic tests and medication are also relatively cheap.

 

However, you need to be careful where you seek medical attention as there are many, many hopsitals and clinics that really suck and a lot of plain incompetent doctors. Again, you need to search for the good ones.

 

 

Do doctors and hospitals and labs really charge much more from Americans, than from the local people, as the rumor goes?

 

No, prices are pretty much standard and there are official price lists. There are, however, private medical facilities -- some good, some crap -- that charge much higher prices and that are often frequented by expats.

 

Where local hospitals gouge you is by pushing you into unnecessary but expensive diagnostic examinations, surgery and traditional Chinese medicine which is often useless.

 

There are two types of insurance that pay directly to the hospital. One is that traditionally reserved for civil servants in which the patient pays approximately 20% and the other 80% absorbed by the hospital. Another is a social security type in which only certain limited medical treatments are paid for by the government, but only for inpatient care. For example, this type of insurance covers up to 50 RMB per day for a shared hospital room.

 

You do need to be very careful here when it comes to medical care. Generally, unless expat operated, private medical facilities are to be avoided at all costs. The larger teaching hospitals in first tier cities can be ok with any others being inferior.

 

Even at the good facilities, you need to be careful. Inspect medications, injectables and syringes extremely well. Even at the better facilities there is an overabundance of retarded nurses, medical staff and doctors.

 

For routine problems such as a cold or flu, you'll be ok. Anything else and you'd be very stupid not to seek a second or even third medical opinion.

[rogerluli]

The real reason I simply CANNOT stay in the US for my retirement is that...

 

I CAN'T STAND SEEING WOMEN WITH ASSES BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE THEIR OWN HEART AND LUNGS...

 

Thanks for allowing me to vent...

[tsap seui]

The real reason I simply CANNOT stay in the US for my retirement is that...

 

I CAN'T STAND SEEING WOMEN WITH ASSES BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE THEIR OWN HEART AND LUNGS...

 

Thanks for allowing me to vent...

 

Own heart and lungs????

 

That's NOTHING, buddy. I've got a neighbor whose got so much junk in her trunk, her ass has it's OWN ZIPCODE...and the mailman lives in FEAR!!!

 

tsap seui

[ken88]

The real reason I simply CANNOT stay in the US for my retirement is that...

 

I CAN'T STAND SEEING WOMEN WITH ASSES BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE THEIR OWN HEART AND LUNGS...

 

Thanks for allowing me to vent...

 

 

Roger, It is not nice to talk about your fellow americans like that !

 

Big is beautiful !

 

Ken88

[GZBILL]

 

 

Big is beautiful !

 

Ken88

 

Maybe a big paycheck.

[chilton747]

 

 

Big is beautiful !

 

Ken88

 

Maybe a big paycheck.