Gambling in China

[tsap seui]

Anyone familiar with gambling laws in China...specifically for slot machines?

 

I talked to an ol' entrepreneur friend of mine today. he used to buy old juke boxes, rehab them and ship them by the container full to Europe. He would travel around America and buy up everyone he could then send an 18 wheeler out to pick them up, didn't matter what shape they were. Had a big business with them and then the Europeans got tired of them, so he'd buy them back and sell them to Americans.

 

The last 10 years or so he's been buying Mississippi River gambling boat slots, rehabing them and selling them to Europe, and now in Japan. He just got back from a service call to Tokyo to fix a machine.

 

First thing he tells me today, "I've got 700 slot machines, think the Chinese would like some?"

 

I'm just fishin' and tomorrow my lil' rabbit is gonna start asking around to some officials in her city.

 

My question is, do they have controled gambling like we have here? Is it only big cities that would have slots? The Euro's really like his rehabed slots and he's lookin to branch out...and the lil' rabbit and I would like to be able to get in on the action...so to speak.

 

tsap seui

[Sebastian]

My question is, do they have controled gambling like we have here? Is it only big cities that would have slots? The Euro's really like his rehabed slots and he's lookin to branch out...and the lil' rabbit and I would like to be able to get in on the action...so to speak.

 

tsap seui

 

Why not inquire in Macao, where gambling is not only LEGAL, but it's the major reason for it's existence ? Is a special SAR specifically for gambling.

[tsap seui]

My question is, do they have controled gambling like we have here? Is it only big cities that would have slots? The Euro's really like his rehabed slots and he's lookin to branch out...and the lil' rabbit and I would like to be able to get in on the action...so to speak.

 

tsap seui

 

Why not inquire in Macao, where gambling is not only LEGAL, but it's the major reason for it's existence ? Is a special SAR specifically for gambling.

 

 

Thanks, I'm looking for ideas. I know nothin' about gambling, heck, I've taught classes and attended seminars, probably, 20 times or so in Vegas and never pulled one arm of a slut...I mean...slot.

 

Maybe a trip to Macao is in order...any other ideas on the gambling laws in China? I guess they are strict like here.

 

And like many we're lookin for what could be exported to Uncle Samville.

[Sebastian]

 

And like many we're lookin for what could be exported to Uncle Samville.

Pardon? you wish to export something TO the U.S.A. ????

 

So sorry, I misunderstood your intent. I thought you wanted to import machines FROM the U.S.A. into China.

[Sebastian]

Can you access google from china ? Use this search combination, exactly -

'macao gambling commission'

 

xie xie !

[Cerberus]

Anyone familiar with gambling laws in China...specifically for slot machines?

 

I talked to an ol' entrepreneur friend of mine today. he used to buy old juke boxes, rehab them and ship them by the container full to Europe. He would travel around America and buy up everyone he could then send an 18 wheeler out to pick them up, didn't matter what shape they were. Had a big business with them and then the Europeans got tired of them, so he'd buy them back and sell them to Americans.

 

The last 10 years or so he's been buying Mississippi River gambling boat slots, rehabing them and selling them to Europe, and now in Japan. He just got back from a service call to Tokyo to fix a machine.

 

First thing he tells me today, "I've got 700 slot machines, think the Chinese would like some?"

 

I'm just fishin' and tomorrow my lil' rabbit is gonna start asking around to some officials in her city.

 

My question is, do they have controled gambling like we have here? Is it only big cities that would have slots? The Euro's really like his rehabed slots and he's lookin to branch out...and the lil' rabbit and I would like to be able to get in on the action...so to speak.

 

tsap seui

TS,

 

Wow! From doing innumerable amount of paperwork and being fed crap from GUZ. Now attempting to bring gambling slots from US to China.

 

IMHO, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. The red tape that you definitely go through with officials of the PRC, IMO would make a sane man swoon.

 

Albeit, I hope it works out for you. I know of one man, an expat in the Bejing area. He runs an import/Export company. He related to me way back when, of the mounds of PRC red tape, government scrutiny, and yes even "oil for squeaky wheels" (aka bribes) would have driven me crazy.

 

Best of luck and I hope it works out!

 

Dave

[Sebastian]

 

Albeit, I hope it works out for you. I know of one man, an expat in the Bejing area. He runs an import/Export company. He related to me way back when, of the mounds of PRC red tape, government scrutiny, and yes even "oil for squeaky wheels" (aka bribes) would have driven me crazy.

 

Best of luck and I hope it works out!

 

Dave

 

Yo Dave - I betcha a phone call to the purchasing agent at the Wynn Macao Casino in Macao would be quite beneficial to old TS. Macao ain't the PRC, the rules are different. I"m only suggesting that TS inquire in that SAR where Gambling is not only legal, but it's the MAJOR revenue stream.

Edited January 13, 2008 by Darnell (see edit history)

[tonado]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationw...story?track=rss

[Cerberus]

 

Albeit, I hope it works out for you. I know of one man, an expat in the Bejing area. He runs an import/Export company. He related to me way back when, of the mounds of PRC red tape, government scrutiny, and yes even "oil for squeaky wheels" (aka bribes) would have driven me crazy.

 

Best of luck and I hope it works out!

 

Dave

 

Yo Dave - I betcha a phone call to the purchasing agent at the Wynn Macao Casino in Macao would be quite beneficial to old TS. Macao ain't the PRC, the rules are different. I"m only suggesting that TS inquire in that SAR where Gambling is not only legal, but it's the MAJOR revenue stream.

TS and Darnell,

 

Sorry my bad. I missed the final line that TS paced in there. I thought he was trying to ship to China too. Soooorrryyy!

 

BTW, here a condensed link to Macau gaming laws. Jeeeez what a labyrinth. My head was still hurting after trying to read it and follow the rules of gaming. Anyway here is the link...

 

http://www.unr.edu/gaming/13th_Conference_...aming%20law.pdf

[tsap seui]

Darnell and Dave, very sorry for the mis-understanding. My last line should have had the word 'also' so that it would read...

 

And like many we're "also" lookin for what could be exported to Uncle Samville.

 

Sorry 'bout the confusion. We would like to explore both importing and exporting.

 

My friend and I go way back to high school days, anyhow, my post was relating a 20 minute phone call we had yesterday. His current money maker is slots. When he asked me about importing slots to China, the first thing I told him was...

 

"Buddy, do you like to sing karioke?"

"Huh" says he.

"It's China, we would have to find the right official to bribe, then we take him out to eat with our lil' rabbit as our interpreter, have drinks, and then go sing some karioke." Says I.

He laughs and says, "Nah, we just find the right people in China, who want the slots, and we let THEM do the winin' and dinin' and singin' and paperwork."

 

My friend has been importing and exporting for over 30 years, now he sees one of his ol' mates is travelin' to China and it gets him to thinkin', can I send my slots there...and what can I import back here?.

 

Like most of you, the thought has crossed your minds, what can we send from China that would sell in America, and visa versa.

 

My lil' rabbit is very much into this line of thought and while she has been an entrepreneur with her own small business in China, she has never had an American connection. She's gonna look into slots in her city, but her real goal is what can she send to America. I explained Las Vegas and Atlantic City, and the various small areas that have slots, but I could see her wheels were spinnin' on what could she send over here.

 

I thank both you guys for your ideas on the slots, and I appreciate anything you come up with on the many various other things that we could send to China, and China to America. I'll be talkin' with my friend and it looks like a trip for the three of us may be in order to Macao, as well as any other cities the lil' rabbit comes up with in her research. She's making her first call this morning.

 

Ya just never know what can happen in this wide open world...Maybe the American's in Guano will even take the shackles off my lil' rabbit and give her the visa, maybe not, but at least now there's three of us that have been, and are, entrepreneurs who are startin' to think about possibilities. We'll see.

 

Thanks to anyone for ideas.

 

Fairdinkum, I am.

 

tsap seui

[rogerluli]

The Communists outlawed gambling PERIOD in 1949...But it is definitely creeping back in...I've got an article here somewhere???

[rogerluli]

Here it is...

 

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/01/11/...g-on-Horses.php

[Sebastian]

Like most of you, the thought has crossed your minds, what can we send from China that would sell in America, and visa versa.

 

Ah- my take is different, having been at the Guangzhou Trade Fair 4 times in 10 years.

 

Never again will I consider to import something INTO the U.S.A. from China except 'The Lass'. It's a personal choice, made out of too many lost $$ along the way .

 

I know, I know - ya can't win if you don't play. I've played, won sometimes, lost most of the other times.

 

My favorite multi-national END USER SALE Shop -

A Korean family at a Mexican Run Trade Fair in Texas were selling Chinese clothes. I don't want to play in that arena.

 

I weathered through, with another business partnership, a shift in WalMart's purchasing practices for the last 20 years. We made money in the first 3 years, until Walmart wanted to know more about the manufacturers WE used in China. They REQUIRED that information from us, then went around us, cutting us out of the revenue stream.

 

Anyone can 'find things' to shift out of China on the Alibaba web site. Go there, spend yer time.

 

As you can tell from reading most of the links that you found after you googled those 3 magic words I gave you, there are several foreign casinos in Macau, with their holding companies based in the U.S.A. . IMO, I don't think yer bringing anything to the table (adding extra value to the sale) by landing in Macau and finding buyers. The purchasing methods are totally different than in the USA (but you know that already). IIWY, I'd tell 'my friend' to contact the purchasing agents back in the states, and emphasize with him on the concept of 'selling directly to the Macao subsidiaries' .

 

But hey - if you wanna become yer buddy's 'direct sales agent' in Macau - go for it - you'd enjoy the experience, as it would singularly keep your mind off the wait at the GUZ potentate's cesspool.

 

In the future, I'd happily recommend things to you that could sell well IN China, but I'm dead tired of finding Chinese things to sell in the U.S.A.

Edited January 13, 2008 by Darnell (see edit history)

[tsap seui]

Like most of you, the thought has crossed your minds, what can we send from China that would sell in America, and visa versa.

 

Ah- my take is different, having been at the Guangzhou Trade Fair 4 times in 10 years.

 

Never again will I consider to import something INTO the U.S.A. from China except 'The Lass'. It's a personal choice, made out of too many lost $$ along the way .

 

I know, I know - ya can't win if you don't play. I've played, won sometimes, lost most of the other times.

 

My favorite multi-national END USER SALE Shop -

A Korean family at a Mexican Run Trade Fair in Texas were selling Chinese clothes. I don't want to play in that arena.

 

I weathered through, with another business partnership, a shift in WalMart's purchasing practices for the last 20 years. We made money in the first 3 years, until Walmart wanted to know more about the manufacturers WE used in China. They REQUIRED that information from us, then went around us, cutting us out of the revenue stream.

 

Anyone can 'find things' to shift out of China on the Alibaba web site. Go there, spend yer time.

 

As you can tell from reading most of the links that you found after you googled those 3 magic words I gave you, there are several foreign casinos in Macau, with their holding companies based in the U.S.A. . IMO, I don't think yer bringing anything to the table (adding extra value to the sale) by landing in Macau and finding buyers. The purchasing methods are totally different than in the USA (but you know that already). IIWY, I'd tell 'my friend' to contact the purchasing agents back in the states, and emphasize with him on the concept of 'selling directly to the Macao subsidiaries' .

 

But hey - if you wanna become yer buddy's 'direct sales agent' in Macau - go for it - you'd enjoy the experience, as it would singularly keep your mind off the wait at the GUZ potentate's cesspool.

 

In the future, I'd happily recommend things to you that could sell well IN China, but I'm dead tired of finding Chinese things to sell in the U.S.A.

 

 

I hear ya loud and clear Darrnell. And I'm certainly not lookin' to foolishly jump in and chase all over China to help a guy sell HIS slots. My approach is two fold and pretty much dictated, at this point, by the results from Guano (GUZ). I'm more inclined to help my lil' rabbit, IF, Guano (GUZ) takes the shackles off her, to get her lil' butt over here and study what we could bring into America, small scale, and more importantly, like with your last sentence, what we could sell IN China.

 

If Guano, utimately, chooses to give us lemons, I want to make lemonaide. Visa, or no stinkin' visa. I am NOT strapped to America.

 

I, truly, appreciate and respect your advice and input from your personal experience Darrnell, I don't find it necessary to bust my butt for the same results that others ahead of me have found.

 

Okay...it's the future...I'm wide open to suggestions of things that could sell well in China, feel free to PM me, or post it right here. I'm really lookin' for a more down to earth approach to start off with, and I also hear ya about that Wal-Mart crap with the way they are BASTARDS with their suppliers.

 

My lil' rabbit had her own gift shop in her city, made a decent living but saw the writin' on the wall and sold it just before many other similar shops followed her lead and opened. We're lookin' to get a corner on items that the other local Chinese shop owners can't get. Her city, of 1.3 million, is poor, but a market of American gifts/goods is sought after.

 

Thanks Darrnell, and others for your input.

 

tsap seui

[IllinoisDave]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationw...story?track=rss

 

I read this in the Trib this morning. According to the article, you may not have a lot of luck selling them slot machines:

 

"Most of them hunch around baccarat, roulette or dice tables. (Blackjack and poker aren't popular, and neither are slot machines.)"