GZBILL

sary hrd tu tipe lafing tu hrd Totally agree! Deep down, though, you really should feel sorry for someone who can write that and honestly believe it. Yes, I did, am doing, will always believe in my country, not like your wife, two days after she went to America, she thought she was an American already. I suppose if I were boxed into a corner and shown to have an IQ of your average gerbil I'd come out with that comment, too. But the funny thing is that I do not have a Chinese wife. This is a cheap shot too, don't you think? Unlike those whose intellectual ability precludes them from formulating an even somewhat logical statement, I feel confident that there is a rational scientific basis to question the faculties of someone who makes a comment about a wife that doesn't exist. Is it really rocket science to do a post search on someone before you make wild accusations? I think anybody here with the attention span of a gerbil knows that my wife is not Chinese.

Not so. It is not based on province. What happens is that in some provinces there are certain ethnic groups and any ethnic group that is not Han is legally allowed to reproduce like rabbits. Han Chinese in Yunnan are under the population planning rules. true and not true, china is not as rigid as usa govt control Not a very lucid statement that anybody who has been in China for more than 4 days would find true. When the Chinese government wants to exercise control, they can do it very rigidly and in the most brutal ways imaginable. Oh, really? Show us an example. As far as I know, when the fishing ship went to the coatline of Russia, the Russians fired at them, killing 7 out of 16. Last month, the same thing happened in the Chinese coast line by American so called research ship, did we kill the Americans? Negative. You must be confused. Tiananmen, Tibet ... dozens -- if not hundreds -- of lesser incidents of the government exercising brutal control. For those who are not freethinkers, I did not say that any forms of rigid, brutal control are wrong. I simply say that it exists here and, more often than not, much more than in the USA. Ok, if some of the protesters took a gun, went out of control and began to kill people, what would your government do in that situation? I think the answer is very obvious. Why did you support some of the Dali Tibetan riot? What is your propose? You want China to split into 30 tiny countries as USSR did? Did your government allow any of your state to break away from the union? I think History has told us the answer. And talking about brutal, everybody knows how many Americans got killed during the Civil War? Do you want me to remind you of that? I just want to give you this example to show you that every government could be doing something out of their normal ways, becaus there are always accidents. Dont use that as a weapon to against them. Dont poke your neighbour while you have a fire on the backyard. That is not nice. If you write coherent thought patterns I promise not to laugh.

sary hrd tu tipe lafing tu hrd Totally agree! Deep down, though, you really should feel sorry for someone who can write that and honestly believe it. GZBILL, I agree with you on just about everything, except this. My question, How can somebody from another country think they know more then a native born and raised and educated from that country? What do we really know about China and it's culture? Just what we read in books and see on TV News and documentaries? In my opinion, I think the person that grew up there knows the best. When the person that grew up there shows, by what they post, that they have the grasp of a three year old, then you don't have to be a rocket scientist to be right. And it really isn't rocket science. You see this a lot in the uneducated sector -- often with poor self-esteem -- of every country where they take a non-threatening factual comment and get defensive to the point where what little reality they do hold turns into steam. Next will come the "Foreigners should get out of China!" rant and then it just goes downhill from there. Some people who grew up here never really grew up.

sary hrd tu tipe lafing tu hrd Totally agree! Deep down, though, you really should feel sorry for someone who can write that and honestly believe it. Yes, I did, am doing, will always believe in my country, not like your wife, two days after she went to America, she thought she was an American already. I suppose if I were boxed into a corner and shown to have an IQ of your average gerbil I'd come out with that comment, too. But the funny thing is that I do not have a Chinese wife.

sary hrd tu tipe lafing tu hrd Totally agree! Deep down, though, you really should feel sorry for someone who can write that and honestly believe it.

Han people are free to have more than one child; they just have to pay more tax. A few families do it, but to what I've heard others at my office share, there aren't that many Han that have a second child. This is false. Those that are subject to the one-child policy do not have to pay a tax to have subsequent children. If they ignore the law, are not persuaded by the prevailing government sanctions and still have the child then there is a) a fine and another even greater expense to obtain hukou for the child. This was true for my in-laws. They had three children. They both workedfor hte government but when they decided to have the second child they had to resign their posts, pay a very large fine, and large cost for hukou registration. They had two more children because they wanted do. 2 girls and 1 boy. Yes, that is the way it generally works. Those who are civil servants virtually always lose their jobs. Even those who work for MNCs are not immune. While my company will not go out of its way to fire those who break the one-child policy, we will not allow them any insurance coverage or maternity benefits. If -- and it does happen -- the government tells us that one of our employees is breaking the one-child policy and expects us to take action, the employee will be summarily fired with no termination benefits. Smaller companies and private companies may not care at all.

Han people are free to have more than one child; they just have to pay more tax. A few families do it, but to what I've heard others at my office share, there aren't that many Han that have a second child. I am certainly no expert on China's policy, but according the the article referenced above and my fiancee, if both parents are the only child, they are free to have another child without penalty. The idea is that the two children replace the parents without increasing the population. My experience is limited to Shanghai. I'd say most of the people i know have a sibling. My first gf had a sister. My fiancee has a sister (as I understand it, her father was jailed for this offense until the relatives bailed him out). Most of the people at work have a sibling. True, many of these are before the policy was implemented. They can indeed have more children, but they pay a stiff penalty. It is not true that throughout China that couples that are both only children can have more than one child. This policy is allowed by the central government but actual implementation is left to municipal and provincial governments. Many cities -- especially Guangzhou -- make no exceptions whatsoever in these cases.

Also false. Expats married to Chinese are, in some provinces / municipalities, also subject to the one-child policy. Although there was once a time when an informal agreement between the US embassy and Chinese government which permitted US citizens married to Chinese citizens to be "exempt" from the family planning rules, that is no longer the case. Depending on each province's effectiveness in controlling the birth rate -- as determined by the central government -- certain provinces no longer take into consideration that one of the spouses is not Chinese. One such province is Guangdong -- especially Guangzhou -- and, if I am not mistaken, Zhejiang Province.

Han people are free to have more than one child; they just have to pay more tax. A few families do it, but to what I've heard others at my office share, there aren't that many Han that have a second child. This is false. Those that are subject to the one-child policy do not have to pay a tax to have subsequent children. If they ignore the law, are not persuaded by the prevailing government sanctions and still have the child then there is a) a fine and another even greater expense to obtain hukou for the child.

Not so. It is not based on province. What happens is that in some provinces there are certain ethnic groups and any ethnic group that is not Han is legally allowed to reproduce like rabbits. Han Chinese in Yunnan are under the population planning rules. true and not true, china is not as rigid as usa govt control Not a very lucid statement that anybody who has been in China for more than 4 days would find true. When the Chinese government wants to exercise control, they can do it very rigidly and in the most brutal ways imaginable. Oh, really? Show us an example. As far as I know, when the fishing ship went to the coatline of Russia, the Russians fired at them, killing 7 out of 16. Last month, the same thing happened in the Chinese coast line by American so called research ship, did we kill the Americans? Negative. You must be confused. Tiananmen, Tibet ... dozens -- if not hundreds -- of lesser incidents of the government exercising brutal control. For those who are not freethinkers, I did not say that any forms of rigid, brutal control are wrong. I simply say that it exists here and, more often than not, much more than in the USA.

Not a very lucid statement that anybody who has been in China for more than 4 days would find true. When the Chinese government wants to exercise control, they can do it very rigidly and in the most brutal ways imaginable. I believe Jin is Chinese!!! So i'm sure she has been in China more than 4 days? Sad that it is often the case that some people are totally ignorant of their own country. Sad indeed.

Not so. It is not based on province. What happens is that in some provinces there are certain ethnic groups and any ethnic group that is not Han is legally allowed to reproduce like rabbits. Han Chinese in Yunnan are under the population planning rules. true and not true, china is not as rigid as usa govt control Not a very lucid statement that anybody who has been in China for more than 4 days would find true. When the Chinese government wants to exercise control, they can do it very rigidly and in the most brutal ways imaginable. oh Bill you need to travel more That or start my drinking as early in the morning as you.

Not so. It is not based on province. What happens is that in some provinces there are certain ethnic groups and any ethnic group that is not Han is legally allowed to reproduce like rabbits. Han Chinese in Yunnan are under the population planning rules. true and not true, china is not as rigid as usa govt control Not a very lucid statement that anybody who has been in China for more than 4 days would find true. When the Chinese government wants to exercise control, they can do it very rigidly and in the most brutal ways imaginable.

Not so. It is not based on province. What happens is that in some provinces there are certain ethnic groups and any ethnic group that is not Han is legally allowed to reproduce like rabbits. Han Chinese in Yunnan are under the population planning rules.

And maybe that's why it has been UN-news for a long time, too.

And this is somehow surprising?????

Japan? Highly unlikely.

First, they'd have to tax exports destined for every country, not just the USA. Second, that would raise the cost of products made in China. With exports down over 30%+ and the government offering subsidies to exporters so that even more of them don't go belly up, raising the prices would have an even worse effect on their economy. Don't believe everything you read in the Chinese newspapers.

Why is this news??? They've been cracking down on guns for the past 45 years.

Nothing new. The US does the same thing.

Or maybe not. The rate of domestic saving here is at least 25% compared with practically 0% in the USA. In fact, some report that the savings rate in the US is -3%. I don't see people in China spending more, but I could see it if they didn't spend less. Most people here are pretty confident about the government getting them through the economic crisis in relatively one piece. Besides, you do not want to see people in China spend like the financial retards that Americans are. Can you imagine the same financial crisis that has the US on its knees simultaneously -- and of the same magnitude -- porking China in the butt? Right now China is in a much better position because they do know the meaning of fiscal responsability.

Indeed it is....just found this... http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100da...lobal-currency/ Ya'll hold your breath waiting for this to happen.

Amazing!

That's too bad. Typical Chinese juice producers turn out really crappy products. Fortunately Dole is big and Great lakes is making a big entry into the market. They are, however, more expensive than Chinese brands, but the quality is light years better.

How good do your Chinese language skills need to be? Don't get your hopes up. There aren't all those jobs waiting for expats unless he's talking about part-time English teachers that companies can use to give their staff a taste of American "culture." And even most of those involve working illegally on tourist or business visas instead of work visas.