Finer in China

I'd say you're talking out your gazoo again "dave" Consider that a few posts I made in this thread were deleted for whoknowswhat reason, removing also the context. "dave" and "luli" plus a few others enjoy this PUTDOWN mode. Don asked for a cooldown so please respect his wishes. Try to restrain yourselves.

Yes, quality is low in many instrument stores unless you want to pay huge prices (probably not an obstacle for you). So just leave your "axe" in the USA and blow a few thousand on another one! What's another couple grand? Me, I bought a guitar for less than 100Y and squeezed out beautiful music there. But I am not as good as you so what do I know?

For those not knowing, SOHU = Sohu.com Inc. "Major Internet portals like Sohu.com Inc. and Sina Corp. employ their own censors to make sure nothing runs afoul of government restrictions." http://lateline.muzi.net/news/ll/english/10052013.shtml All governments censor though, our's is no exception. I have found the Chinese and English versions are not very different.

I read Chinese news every day, five different sites including Boxun. I have quit reading USA news sites because it seems generally everything on China comes through their USA/anti-commie/threatened filter (especially Fox). My SO and I are pretty moderate and know that both of our countrys and the world are spiraling downward now. We see pretty eye to eye. Neither of us think other countries are bad, we must share the planet. America is in terrible shape, China too. The truth is right there, in black and white reported daily by somebody. But China cannot be compared to America yet, we are a developed country and they are still getting there. If she thinks China is not hurting now then have her go to: china.com "China reports 111 bln yuan in fiscal deficit in 2008" china.org.cn "2009 to be 'the toughest' year since 2000" chinadaily.com.cn "China vows rural support to fight slowdown" boxun.us (though not so much on finance news) I also have google and yahoo alerts for China news.

CHI FAN http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/GLW/GLW485/frying-pan-white_~gwrcc102012.jpg

Yeah, haven't had tripe cooked well for me. Several restaurants and the wifey/in-laws made it but no good. I've tried it many times in the USA too. Just not a tripe person. EVERY SINGLE OTHER FOOD I had was fine but DO NOT give me a meal without some warm white rice within distance from beginning to end.

AOS= Adjustment of Status

I have flown into Chicago. Have you? "Arrival at customs in chicago" is the thread here.

I also had some shoes, a warmup suit, several shirts, and some hats that were not even sniffed. I guess be cautious though my experience has been they don't really check that close.

I had bought 10 cartons of cheap cigarettes at the Shanghai airport for my brother. When I got to Chicago I forgot I had them in a bag I was carrying with my other stuff and they asked whether I had any things like that and I said no. "Welcome home" they said and waved me along. Hahaha. Later I thought about it. Obviously not a big deal.

Believe him. It wasn't. B) Yeah, but 98% of America is not pricetag blind.

Checking out Italkbb and it looks like Sprint is not included, help?

$25 a month vs. $8.25. Not a tough decision.

No problem chop suey. I was wondering if yours was from a phone or a computer.

$25 a month for 5,600 minutes???? Skype is $99 a year unlimited.

Olympic "Bird's Nest" to become entertainment, shopping center http://www.chinaview.cn 2009-01-30 10:49:54 BEIJING, Jan. 30 (Xinhua) -- Citic Group said here on Friday it will in three to five years build the National Stadium into an entertainment and shopping center, while seeking to hold more sports games and cultural performances. The "Bird's Nest" will continue to develop tourism as its major business, while gradually tapping its auxiliary commercial facilities and turning them into a station for entertainment and shopping, said the Citic Group. It will also actively hold sports games and entertainment performances, said the company, adding that it seeks to further promote the brand of the National Stadium, the major venue for the Beijing Olympics. An individual company was established by Citic Group, Beijing Urban Construction Group and Golden State Holding Group Corporation to focus on the operation of the "Bird's Nest" business. According to the company, maintenance of the 250,000-square-meter National Stadium will annually cost 60 million yuan (about 8.82 million U.S. dollars), making it particularly hard to make profit. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/...nt_10735999.htm --------------- Another sign of economic tough times. --------------- The Bird¡¯s Nest looks for post-Olympic task BEIJING - Being home to some of the most unforgettable moments of the Beijing Olympics, the iconic Bird's Nest just serves as a museum while searching for a new purpose. It draws about 10,000 tourists daily who pay to walk on the stadium floor, recalling Olympic glory moments. Just five months after the Beijing Olympics, the Bird's Nest is a cavernous museum searching for a new purpose. The iconic National Stadium drew acclaim for its daring design, an engineering marvel that borders on sculpture. Now it draws about 10,000 tourists a day - mostly Chinese - who pay 50 yuan (about $7) to walk on the stadium floor, then climb through the expensive seats to a souvenir shop hawking pricey mementos recalling Zhang Yimou's dazzling opening ceremony or the three world records set by Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt. A symbol of China's rising power and confidence, the stadium may never recoup the $450 million the government spent to build it, particularly as China's economic slump worsens. It has yet to draw big-ticket events, has no permanent tenant, and only one date has been announced for this year. Puccini's opera "Turandot," directed by Zhang, is set for Aug. 8 - the one-year anniversary of the Olympics' opening ceremony. This is a long-term worry for the company that manages the stadium. Beijing CITIC Consortium Stadium Operations Co. Ltd., part of a government-owned investment company, says the stadium can generate annual revenue of $30 million, even while acknowledging that estimate is "optimistic." This may concern China's communist government, but visitors don't seem to mind. "I'm not clear about the plans for the stadium, but I just feel that there'll be lots of culture and sports events here," said Gao Yunfei, bundled up against gusting winds and blistering cold as he left after touring the venue on a recent afternoon. Told the stadium might remain mostly vacant, Gao replied: "I feel that would be a little wasteful." Paint is already peeling in places inside the stadium and soot dulls the gleaming lattice work, details probably overlooked by tourists - many from outside Beijing - who travel to visit the stunning structure. Despite Christmas decorations that have been in place for a month, the stadium is largely a cheerless place, particularly in the dead of winter. "No matter how much was spent, the stadium is necessary as a symbol of the country," said Li Bo, a young woman visiting from Chengdu, a city in southwestern China. "I'm sure the government will have ways to deal with any problem." The stadium didn't come cheaply, and neither do the official souvenirs. A metallic replica of the stadium goes for 4,800 yuan (about $700), a replica torch kit is 2,900 (about $430) and baseball caps are a more affordable 98 ($14). Of course, street vendors outside the stadium offer counterfeit merchandise at one-tenth the price. Inside, a public-address announcer warns people against buying fakes. Posing for photos A few tourists even fork over another 200 yuan (about $30) to be photographed - dressed in the red and yellow uniforms of the game's officials - standing on the winner's podium holding a bouquet of roses in one hand and waving an Olympic torch with the other. The Bird's Nest was one of 12 venues built in Beijing for the Olympics. All told, there were 31 venues (eight temporary and 11 renovated) in the city. Five more were outside Beijing. Most of the temporary venues will be razed. Some of the permanent ones have found uses, notably venues for swimming and tennis. The Water Cube, site of Michael Phelps' record eight gold medals, will be converted to a waterpark and swimming center with much of the seating removed. The tennis stadium will host the China Open this year, a lucrative WTA-ATP event. Rent too high The Bird's Nest is a special case. Rent was too expensive to lure the city's top football club, Guo'an, which backed out of a deal to play in the 91,000-seat stadium. Plans calls for scaling it back to 80,000 seats. The government-run China Daily recently described the Bird's Nest as a "tourist trap," and senior citizens have complained there are no half-price tickets. Dennis Howard, professor of business at the University of Oregon who specializes in sports marketing, said major stadiums in the U.S. don't pay their way and he suggested it would be no different in China. "The only way to build an economic justification is on the ability of the facility ... (to) host events that attract new money into the Beijing or China economy," Howard said in an e-mail. "These would have to be large-scale international events that attract thousands of foreign visitors. The key question is whether a plan has been formulated to host a number of events of this magnitude." Apparently there is such a plan. But will it work? So far, the Puccini opera in August is the only booking for the stadium that has been confirmed by CITIC, the management company. Italian newspapers have reported the Italian Super Cup final will be played at the stadium this summer, but CITIC has not confirmed it. In a reply to written questions from The Associated Press, CITIC officials said five events had been confirmed and five others were still in the discussion stage. They offered no more details. CITIC said its operation plan calls for generating annual income of 200 million yuan (about $30 million) to cover maintenance and other expenses, and produce a small profit. It was not clear whether debt service was included in the calculations. "It is an optimistic estimate that the investment can be recovered in 30 years," CITIC said. The management company said that bids for lucrative naming rights - potentially a large revenue producer - were not being taken, partly due to the slowing Chinese economy and because of the iconic nature of the stadium. Many Chinese oppose a commercial name for the stadium, comparing it to national symbols like the Statue of Liberty or the Eiffel Tower. "Many companies have shown interest in the naming rights," the company said. "However, we will not accept bids for naming rights, believing the Chinese public would oppose such a move. However, it is possible we may still seek individual sponsorship for matches, performances or areas inside the stadium. These sponsorships would not exclude foreign companies. "A naming of the stadium may not fit the Bird's Nest, and we must fully consider the feelings of the Chinese population and explore ways to exploit the value of the brand and preserve the spirit and legacy of the games." http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/sports/...178.asp?gid=244

Skype is what I use. http://skype.com/prices/

Oh my, that insult really hurts. B) http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2008/07/07/jonathanferreyG460.jpg

"Oh say can you see..." http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/12/xinsrc_3320805121326593618852.jpg http://img04.beijing2008.cn/20080813/Img214536436.jpg

Wow, is everyone here from towns of less than 12 million where every instance is a push and shove? My times in China are just like home. They push but I am all ready. As has been said, they are mostly smaller and gawking a bit so it makes it much easier. Big city respect.

Monday, December 29, 2008 1 US Dollar = 6.85850 Chinese Yuan Renminbi 1 Chinese Yuan Renminbi (CNY) = 0.14580 US Dollar (USD) Interbank rate +/- 0% This means: You buy 1 US Dollar : 6.85850 Chinese Yuan Renminbi You sell 1 US Dollar : 6.83850 Chinese Yuan Renminbi You buy 1 Chinese Yuan Renminbi : 0.14580 US Dollar You sell 1 Chinese Yuan Renminbi : 0.14623 US Dollar Median price = 6.83850 / 6.85850 (bid/ask) Minimum price = 6.83850 / 6.85850 Maximum price = 6.83850 / 6.85850 http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic

airgorilla says I can get a RT ticket to Shanghai from mid-America in February for $540 +taxes. Cool!

Are u asking oscar for an update? Scared to post here, besides this is the wrong thread. Still looking over my shoulder here. Marked man. Later in another thread.

sometimes slow as heck

Much thanks to David and Zixuan for their caring assistance with us. They went above and beyond the call for some folks they barely knew. They were great hosts in Baoding, scouting out and booking our hotel plus showing us around their city when we were there. Zixuan is a fine lady. Mellow and intelligent, and very complex. I think David and I meshed very well. We laughed a lot and coincided in our observations. WH and XX liked them both and we will see them more in the future. It was a nice week of visiting to finish our outing in China. http://weihuawallace.com/images/EngagementDayPrint2.jpg