I wonder what is their game plan.

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

I don't think China is blameless here. I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't all an excuse to take revenge on Japan. They're the ones who decided to draw new lines across long established international shipping lanes. China wants to dominate the entire region and doesn't like us having friends there.

 

I think you pretty much nailed it Carl.

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

My soulful plea to anyone with any MFin' sanity in Washington, DC.....

 

Stay out you fools on Capitol HIll. Stop playing the bully by bumping chests with China...and don't you stupid assholes dare let Japan drag us into this farce that will only ruin the world. There will be NO victor in this. You will do more harm to America than you could ever inflict upon China. You sold Japan enough weapons to stand on their own if they want to start a war. Let them fight their own war.

 

Mike, if America stupidly allows Japan (and I won't say what I think about Japan here) to drag us into this, our wives can kiss being able to go visit China goodbye. We'll be lucky if the idiots calling the shots in this country don't round em up if this thing gets hot.

 

I am so sick and tired of America playing policeman. Look at how far playing cop has gotten us. Other than the industrial military complex who else is happy with America's direction? Sending our professional soldiers off to get mired down and picked off one or two at a time while we spend billions of borrowed dollars to fund them? And for what end? Everybody will only go back to fighting once we leave anyhow. That's what they do. I'm sick of being lied to so suits can play soldier with real live men and women who are criminally misused. Those islands have nothing to do with us. If Japan wants them, and if Vietnam and the Philippines want them, then let them work it out.

 

tsap seui

 

[danb]

So will anyone change how they fly to China? Or to any other cities in Asia? I have flown Japanese airlines a couple of times to China. When choosing what company to fly with price is the the first consideration for me. Should it be safety now? If on your next trip to China and you had a choice between says China Southern Airlines and Japan Airlines and all other factors being equal except for the price. China S.A. $1188 $1188 and Japan A. is $1198 $1178 which airlines would you choose? Danb

Edited November 28, 2013 by danb (see edit history)

[Randy W]

So will anyone change how they fly to China? Or to any other cities in Asia? I have flown Japanese airlines a couple of times to China. When choosing what company to fly with price is the the first consideration for me. Should it be safety now? If on your next trip to China and you had a choice between says China Southern Airlines and Japan Airlines and all other factors being equal except for the price. China S.A. $1188 and Japan A. is $1198 which airlines would you choose? Danb

 

 

I hate to point out the obvious here, but China Southern is $10 cheaper by your figures. Are there other factors you'd want to consider?

 

This new aircraft identification zone is not something you'd want to change travel plans for.

 

Sounds like they're backing down on requiring any information from the aircraft - it's simply tracking and identification on their part - exactly what they did with the B-52's. The Japanese aren't cooperating, but they're very unlikely to issue any kind of warnings to civilian aircraft.

 

No news is no news here - the other countries may toy with it for a while to make sure it's benign, but by and large, the Chinese have their radar set up and may or may not be watching.

[danb]

I guess what I was really asking is would you choose Chinese Southern for "peace" of mind for your a trip for you and perhaps a trip for your wife.

 

...Ohpps!! I screwed up. I actually wanted to make the Japanese flight cheaper than the Chinese flight. Any chance you can edit those numbers for me? Change them around? Thanks Danb

[tsap seui]

No change expected here, we'll still use United (who is partner with and sometimes we fly on China Air). One plane, no stops, DC to Beijing.

 

tsap seui

[warpedbored]

I don't think China is stupid enough to shoot down a civilian airliner regardless of where the airline is from. Too many people from too many countries would be on board and would solidify international opinion against them. I wouldn't be afraid to fly a Japanese airline to China. I would be curious to know if Japan's refusal to cooperate has affected passenger loads though.

[Randy W]

It's interesting, though, to seem them pick and choose "targets" in this editorial in the Global Times this morning. Foreign policy is definitely NOT one of their strengths.

 

Japan prime target of ADIZ tussle

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/828546.shtml#.UpftbZ6VNQA

 

Nonetheless, all the criticism and provocation will not pose a real challenge for the newly created ADIZ. It is a fact that China has already established its ADIZ over the East China Sea.

Maybe an imminent conflict will be waged between China and Japan. As a staunch supporter of Tokyo, Washington is expected to refrain from confronting Beijing directly in the East China Sea, at least for now. Canberra and Seoul just chimed in.

The Chinese government is supposed to remain resolute in its strategies while taking flexible and resilient measures to cope with unexpected accidents.

If the US does not go too far, we will not target it in safeguarding our air defense zone. What we should do at present is to firmly counter provocative actions from Japan. Australia, having no real conflict with China now, can be ignored at the moment.

Seoul understands it is not the target of China's ADIZ, plus it has tensions with Japan right now, therefore, China has no need to change its actions toward South Korea.

We should carry out timely countermeasures without hesitation against Japan when it challenges China's newly-declared ADIZ. If Tokyo flies its aircraft over the zone, we will be bound to send our plane to its ADIZ.

 

[tsap seui]

I was thinking as I drove home from the VA today. I'm not in any fear of the Chinese shooting down a US commercial carrier, but....it would be kinda cool to look out a window and see one of their new fighter jets just off the triple 7's wingtip, escorting our plane through the airspace. Hell yeah!!!

 

You can take the boy outta the adventure, but you can't take the adventure outta the boy.

 

tsap seui

 

Shot down 5 times, ain't afraid of number 6

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

During the past few years I have seen the effect of China's hell-bent effort to deceive its people by using censorship, misinformation, deception and lies. The Chinese government has created a cocoon for its people whose silk is weaved by a group of peckerhead CCP bureaucrats and geeks who decide what the people should think and what the world should hear. They've had such strong control for many years, and right here before our very eyes they are losing it.

 

China now has more people with access to the Internet than any other country in the world. The CCP continues to lock the doors for what it deems unacceptable for its people to hear:

 

There are four ways for a surveillance computer to block your request.

1. The DNS (Domain Name System) block: When you enter a web page, the DNS looks up the address of that page in computer language (the IP address). China has a list of IP addresses it blocks, if your web page is on that IP address, the DNS is instructed to give back a bad address and you will get a “site not found” error message.

 

2. Connection Reset: Another the way the government prevents you seeing one of its blacklisted sites is not to return a bad address but to constantly reset the request, which is slightly more insidious since this kind of error can occur naturally. If it happened outside China you could press reset and the chances are the next time you would be successful. But in China the reset is intentional and however many times you resend the request you will get a “The connection has reset.

 

3. ”URL keyword block: To cast its net even wider, the tappers also check the web address. If it contains any banned words, say “Falun Gong” or “Dalai Lama” the request is sent into an infinite loop, you never reach the site and your connection times out.

 

4. Content filtering: In this technique the content of web pages is scanned for banned words, with the connection timing out if any blacklisted words are found. This could for example, allow you to browse the Guardian website, but not access some of the new stories.

http://uncut.indexoncensorship.org/2013/01/china-internet-censorship/

 

 

This madness censorship mostly works today because without a VPN, Chinese citizens have access to only Chinese news and websites. And hell, even if they could open an English news website, most couldn't read or understand it. The average Chinese citizen still believes that their government has their back. But today, more and more Chinese are leaving China and tasting the forbidden fruit of Western freedom. Many of the older generation can see their precious traditions evaporating.

 

China censors and propaganda ponzi pushers are riding on the hope that China people will fully swallow what it does in the South China Sea because the Japanese are brutal murderers and rapists who need to be avenged.

 

Is the fabric of China's cocoon falling apart?

Edited November 30, 2013 by GuangDongExpat (see edit history)

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

The Great Firewall of China

[Randy W]

 

Is the fabric of China's cocoon falling apart?

 

 

As per the Constitution - Yes - " . . . under the leadership of the Communist Party"

[Randy W]

 

 

Is the fabric of China's cocoon falling apart?

 

 

As per the Constitution - Yes - " . . . under the leadership of the Communist Party"

 

 

The VALUE of the Internet and the Social Media as a TOOL for the Communist Party and their censors I believe is understood and well documented

 

http://candleforlove.com/forums/topic/46250-third-plenum-18th-session/?p=606236

 

Social networks are valuable channels for public opinion expression. They have contributed to China's progress. Online concerns cannot be evaded.

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

I guess what I was really asking is would you choose Chinese Southern for "peace" of mind for your a trip for you and perhaps a trip for your wife.

 

...Ohpps!! I screwed up. I actually wanted to make the Japanese flight cheaper than the Chinese flight. Any chance you can edit those numbers for me? Change them around? Thanks Danb

 

Dan, I would feel safer flying China southern than most airlines in America. One of the first things I notice in the USA is how rude and unhelpful most American flight attendants have become in the last several years. Now, regarding Japan, they are obsessive about getting it right the first time and making sure that if anything goes wrong to leave ample room to blame it on someone else.

 

So, take your pick, Los Angeles, Detroit, New York, Philly, Miami? I take Shanghai, Hong Kong, Beijing, Tokyo any day of the week.

[danb]

I don't think and also hope not that any airplane woild be shot down. But mistakes can be made at so many levels. Some of the reasons/ provocations that wars have been started for are also very sketchy. If it did happen, then hell would have to be paid.

 

I usually drive down to NYC fly out of the New York area to Beijing and to Nanning. When I searched for flights there are many choices and price and time becomes a major consideration factors. Last year a couple of options came up. One was going thru Russia on Aeroflot and the other was some airlines that passed thru the Middle East region ( think it was thru Turkey). For various reasons I decided to move those choice off my list.

 

It sounds like they are stepping things a notch. I don't think I have heard the UN doing anything. I wonder why that is? Danb