China¡¯s bystander problem

[danb]

Good morning, I went back to my last post to finish it but I guess i don't have editing privileges. I had to get up real early this morning. so I didn't have time to finish my post late last night. I said that:

 

" I came up with some ideas. One idea had to do with The Great Wall of China, the walled City of Xian, a traditional Chinese house* that I have visited at the Peabody Museum in Salem,Massachusetts, and the traditional round houses of the Hakka people in Fujian Province. It seemed like a great idea. "

 

All the things that I mentioned reflects something about the Chinese people. It reflects what they think about outsiders. Outsider out side of their immediate group. The Great Wall of China was built to keep the Mongols hordes from north out of China. The wall city of Xian has a great wall surrounding the city. That wall was meant to keep outsiders out. My understanding in the old days that many of the cities had walls surrounding them. The outsiders were not part of the city family. The two types of house that I mentioned. Again they separated the outsiders outside of the enclosure. It kept the family away from the outside. The outsider was not part of family unit inside. They were not welcomed. That Traditional house from China was described as being rather plain from the outside. The walls were high. There were very little windows if any that the outside could use to see into the home. Inside the house it was much more ornate and the family lived happily inside, Shutting the outside out. All of these examples have distance of the outsider from the insider. The wall was meant to isolate the insider from the outside. With the proper protection the insider did not worry about the outsider. The outsider was no real concern to the insider's circle of immediate family. they could be forgotten about.

Is this explanation plausible? Is it part of the real reason? I don't know. Maybe, it could be part of something larger that has something to do with judeo/christian beliefs vs Chinese and Confucian beliefs. Ideas about the good Samaritans, the golden rule and the silver rule. Maybe this helps explain why Chinese people see things different then we do.

 

Danb

[lhp]

A few more of these stories in the news:

 

Old woman falls down, asks little boy for help, blames him for making her fall and demands compensation. The old lady's family actually left her outside the door of the boy's home, where she refused to let anyone enter or leave until they paid her. She was there for two days.

 

Passengers on bus do nothing to help bus driver being who is fighting a thief armed with a knife who was robbing people on the bus.

 

Brazilian beaten by a group of thieves he tried to stop as a crowd watches and does nothing.

 

Of course, when folks in China do step in to help, they do it with style.

Edited November 26, 2013 by lhp (see edit history)

[Randy W]

Another good deed gone wrong

 

Guangdong Good Samaritan commits suicide amidst mounting hit-and-run claims

In the midst of this tragedy, the elderly man’s daughter simply asked, “If he hadn’t hit my father with the motorbike, why would he be so kind as to bring my dad to the hospital and pay for his medical expenses himself?”

 

 

The People's Daily on the same incident

 

Good Samaritan's suicide over accusation sparks debate Edited January 10, 2014 by Randy W (see edit history)

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

So, where are the people who actually witnessed what happened? The articles take the position that no one spoke up, so no one saw it. Instead, they focus on a bystander problem and suicide instead of shitty investigative reporting. It's difficult to ascertain anything from either of the articles other than vague ambiguity.

 

The Chinese government is trying to lay blame for these events on their own citizens, rather than on the government police and the government run news agencies whose job it is to report the stories that make the CCP look good. Police investigations in China never have names of responsibility attached. They live behind a big curtain shrouded in cowardly mystery. If no witnesses and no proof other than a good Samaritan, why wasn't the alleged victim and family charged with extortion?

Edited January 11, 2014 by GuangDongExpat (see edit history)

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

Things do happen every day to restore our hope in humanity

 

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=506_1392791565

 

 

 

.....and here in the USA....

 

 

You can get arrested for jaywalking while jogging

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ae_1392937865

Edited February 21, 2014 by ExChinaExpat (see edit history)

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

The American Jogger/Jaywalker

 

It allegedly started with her jogging in her toe shoes and sporting headphones. It ended in video of her screaming and being led away in handcuffs. What happened in between is a matter of debate, but video showing parts of the incident is certainly gaining traction online. Whatever the woman did to get the attention of Austin, Texas police, a witness’ video of cops detaining her on a city sidewalk Thursday morning then escorting her to a nearby squad car indicate she was not happy with their actions.

“I was doing nothing wrong,” she said at first to a nearby witness while sitting on the sidewalk with her hands behind her and one officer standing over her. “I was just crossing the street.” But as police escorted her away while pedestrians passed by, things got ugly.

The Daily Texan, the student newspaper for the University of Texas at Austin, reported that police arrested the woman for failing to provide identification.

Student Chris Quintero, who the Daily Texan reported witnessed the arrest, said he saw the woman jogging with headphones on when police ran after her. When the woman failed to stop, the officer grabbed her by the arm and handcuffed her, Quintero said. “She repeatedly pleaded with them, saying that she was just exercising and to let her go,” said Quintero, who also shot the video and took photographs of the incident.

The woman can be seen in the full video attempting to get up from the sidewalk and being kept down by police officers.Austin police did not return phone calls about why the woman was detained. According to a statement to The Daily Texan from police spokeswoman Lisa Cortinas: “[in this case], the call is titled failure to identify.”

China Suicide Attempt

 

Surveillance video captured the frightening moments when a woman in China attempted to fling herself from an overpass and a large group of bystanders pulled her to safety. The woman, dressed in black tights and a pink jacket, is seen in the footage walking to the railing and beginning to climb over it. But another woman, holding a white umbrella, ran over and grabbed the woman just before she was completely on the other side of the railing.

The woman attempting to jump appeared to prevent herself from falling by grabbing a large pillar with her right hand and the woman trying to save her held on. Seconds later, a man ran over to help. Then others. One bystander appeared to call for more help, and more people arrived to try pulling the woman to safety. Finally, the group was able to rescue the woman, carrying her to the middle of street and then escorting her away.

 

Edited February 22, 2014 by ExChinaExpat (see edit history)

[Dennis143]

The American Jogger/Jaywalker

 

It allegedly started with her jogging in her toe shoes and sporting headphones. It ended in video of her screaming and being led away in handcuffs. What happened in between is a matter of debate, but video showing parts of the incident is certainly gaining traction online. Whatever the woman did to get the attention of Austin, Texas police, a witness’ video of cops detaining her on a city sidewalk Thursday morning then escorting her to a nearby squad car indicate she was not happy with their actions.

“I was doing nothing wrong,” she said at first to a nearby witness while sitting on the sidewalk with her hands behind her and one officer standing over her. “I was just crossing the street.” But as police escorted her away while pedestrians passed by, things got ugly.

The Daily Texan, the student newspaper for the University of Texas at Austin, reported that police arrested the woman for failing to provide identification.

Student Chris Quintero, who the Daily Texan reported witnessed the arrest, said he saw the woman jogging with headphones on when police ran after her. When the woman failed to stop, the officer grabbed her by the arm and handcuffed her, Quintero said. “She repeatedly pleaded with them, saying that she was just exercising and to let her go,” said Quintero, who also shot the video and took photographs of the incident.

The woman can be seen in the full video attempting to get up from the sidewalk and being kept down by police officers.Austin police did not return phone calls about why the woman was detained. According to a statement to The Daily Texan from police spokeswoman Lisa Cortinas: “[in this case], the call is titled failure to identify.”

China Suicide Attempt

 

Surveillance video captured the frightening moments when a woman in China attempted to fling herself from an overpass and a large group of bystanders pulled her to safety. The woman, dressed in black tights and a pink jacket, is seen in the footage walking to the railing and beginning to climb over it. But another woman, holding a white umbrella, ran over and grabbed the woman just before she was completely on the other side of the railing.

 

The woman attempting to jump appeared to prevent herself from falling by grabbing a large pillar with her right hand and the woman trying to save her held on. Seconds later, a man ran over to help. Then others. One bystander appeared to call for more help, and more people arrived to try pulling the woman to safety. Finally, the group was able to rescue the woman, carrying her to the middle of street and then escorting her away.

 

Wow, two anecdotes gives us the complete picture of differences in life in China vs. here. Just proves that if you're in trouble in China not to worry people will come rushing to help you and don't ever think of jaywalking in Austin, Texas.

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

Wow, two anecdotes gives us the complete picture of differences in life in China vs. here. Just proves that if you're in trouble in China not to worry people will come rushing to help you and don't ever think of jaywalking in Austin, Texas.

 

 

 

You get all that from two short videos? I hardly think a person in China should or would expect people to come to their aid. But, I would expect American police to overreact in just about any situation.

[NUWORLD]

 

Wow, two anecdotes gives us the complete picture of differences in life in China vs. here. Just proves that if you're in trouble in China not to worry people will come rushing to help you and don't ever think of jaywalking in Austin, Texas.

 

 

 

You get all that from two short videos? I hardly think a person in China should or would expect people to come to their aid. But, I would expect American police to overreact in just about any situation.

 

 

 

American police would just shot you dead just so you would not kill yourself.

[Randy W]

The American Jogger/Jaywalker

 

It allegedly started with her jogging in her toe shoes and sporting headphones. It ended in video of her screaming and being led away in handcuffs. What happened in between is a matter of debate, but video showing parts of the incident is certainly gaining traction online. Whatever the woman did to get the attention of Austin, Texas police, a witness’ video of cops detaining her on a city sidewalk Thursday morning then escorting her to a nearby squad car indicate she was not happy with their actions.

“I was doing nothing wrong,” she said at first to a nearby witness while sitting on the sidewalk with her hands behind her and one officer standing over her. “I was just crossing the street.” But as police escorted her away while pedestrians passed by, things got ugly.

The Daily Texan, the student newspaper for the University of Texas at Austin, reported that police arrested the woman for failing to provide identification.

Student Chris Quintero, who the Daily Texan reported witnessed the arrest, said he saw the woman jogging with headphones on when police ran after her. When the woman failed to stop, the officer grabbed her by the arm and handcuffed her, Quintero said. “She repeatedly pleaded with them, saying that she was just exercising and to let her go,” said Quintero, who also shot the video and took photographs of the incident.

The woman can be seen in the full video attempting to get up from the sidewalk and being kept down by police officers.Austin police did not return phone calls about why the woman was detained. According to a statement to The Daily Texan from police spokeswoman Lisa Cortinas: “[in this case], the call is titled failure to identify.”

China Suicide Attempt

 

Surveillance video captured the frightening moments when a woman in China attempted to fling herself from an overpass and a large group of bystanders pulled her to safety. The woman, dressed in black tights and a pink jacket, is seen in the footage walking to the railing and beginning to climb over it. But another woman, holding a white umbrella, ran over and grabbed the woman just before she was completely on the other side of the railing.

 

The woman attempting to jump appeared to prevent herself from falling by grabbing a large pillar with her right hand and the woman trying to save her held on. Seconds later, a man ran over to help. Then others. One bystander appeared to call for more help, and more people arrived to try pulling the woman to safety. Finally, the group was able to rescue the woman, carrying her to the middle of street and then escorting her away.

 

 

 

From this article from the Austin radio station KUT 90.5, it seems the woman was guilty of wearing headphones while being told, "Austin Police – Stop!" after the jaywalking incident

 

After Video Goes Viral, Austin Police Defend Jaywalking Jogger Arrest