coulter Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/newforms.htm And the fillable form: http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/i-129f.htm Just a note of caution, and maybe it is just my pc, but each time I try to load the I-129f in pdf, my pc crashes. Link to comment
miker32us Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 I assume this new form affects everyone who filed an I-129f whether it was for a K-1 or K-3 visa and that USCIS will send us RFE's for background information???? In other words, we do not have to fill out this new form and send them another check for $170. Link to comment
miker32us Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/newforms.htm And the fillable form: http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/i-129f.htm Just a note of caution, and maybe it is just my pc, but each time I try to load the I-129f in pdf, my pc crashes.224391[/snapback]I just downloaded the new PDF and didn't have any problem, I think it uses some features of the newer versions of Acrobat, probably 7.0 and later. For all the delays this is going to cause most petitioners will just answer NO to those questions about a marriage broker. Just curious, how many people here can actually write their loved one's name in Chinese? Link to comment
Randy W Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 The form defines a marriage broker as If you met your fianc¨¦ or spouse through the services of aninternational marriage broker, you must notify USCIS ofthat fact by answering Question 19 on this form. The term¡°international marriage broker¡± means a corporation,partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity,whether or not organized under any law of the UnitedStates, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial,matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contactinformation or otherwise facilitating communicationbetween individuals. This seems to broaden the definition, since it includes any entity which simply "facilitates communication". Link to comment
miker32us Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 The form defines a marriage broker as If you met your fianc¨¦ or spouse through the services of aninternational marriage broker, you must notify USCIS ofthat fact by answering Question 19 on this form. The term¡°international marriage broker¡± means a corporation,partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity,whether or not organized under any law of the UnitedStates, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial,matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contactinformation or otherwise facilitating communicationbetween individuals. This seems to broaden the definition, since it includes any entity which simply "facilitates communication".224397[/snapback]In my opinion the key wording here is: "that charges fees for" Everything after that is based on this premise. Link to comment
Guest pushbrk Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 (edited) The form defines a marriage broker as If you met your fianc¨¦ or spouse through the services of aninternational marriage broker, you must notify USCIS ofthat fact by answering Question 19 on this form. The term¡°international marriage broker¡± means a corporation,partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity,whether or not organized under any law of the UnitedStates, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial,matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contactinformation or otherwise facilitating communicationbetween individuals. This seems to broaden the definition, since it includes any entity which simply "facilitates communication".224397[/snapback]In my opinion the key wording here is: "that charges fees for" Everything after that is based on this premise.224398[/snapback]A'yup. A dating website that charges a single fee for "membership" is NOT and IMB by this definition. They have also corrected the typo in Part C question 2. Also they seem to require answers to 12 and C2 even for K3. Edited June 15, 2006 by pushbrk (see edit history) Link to comment
Randy W Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 The form defines a marriage broker as If you met your fianc¨¦ or spouse through the services of aninternational marriage broker, you must notify USCIS ofthat fact by answering Question 19 on this form. The term¡°international marriage broker¡± means a corporation,partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity,whether or not organized under any law of the UnitedStates, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial,matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contactinformation or otherwise facilitating communicationbetween individuals. This seems to broaden the definition, since it includes any entity which simply "facilitates communication".224397[/snapback]In my opinion the key wording here is: "that charges fees for" Everything after that is based on this premise.224398[/snapback]A'yup. A dating website that charges a single fee for "membership" is NOT and IMB by this definition.224399[/snapback] Sorry, but, like you, I would call that a "fee". Link to comment
ameriken Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/newforms.htm And the fillable form: http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/i-129f.htm Just a note of caution, and maybe it is just my pc, but each time I try to load the I-129f in pdf, my pc crashes.224391[/snapback]I just downloaded the new PDF and didn't have any problem, I think it uses some features of the newer versions of Acrobat, probably 7.0 and later. For all the delays this is going to cause most petitioners will just answer NO to those questions about a marriage broker. Just curious, how many people here can actually write their loved one's name in Chinese?224394[/snapback]I just had her type her name in Chinese on a word doc, email it to me, and I submitted it on a separate page with the app. Link to comment
Guest pushbrk Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 (edited) The form defines a marriage broker as If you met your fianc¨¦ or spouse through the services of aninternational marriage broker, you must notify USCIS ofthat fact by answering Question 19 on this form. The term¡°international marriage broker¡± means a corporation,partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity,whether or not organized under any law of the UnitedStates, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial,matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contactinformation or otherwise facilitating communicationbetween individuals. This seems to broaden the definition, since it includes any entity which simply "facilitates communication".224397[/snapback]In my opinion the key wording here is: "that charges fees for" Everything after that is based on this premise.224398[/snapback]A'yup. A dating website that charges a single fee for "membership" is NOT and IMB by this definition.224399[/snapback] Sorry, but, like you, I would call that a "fee".224400[/snapback]Yes, it is a fee but it is not a fee for any of the specific services indicated in the definition. It is a fee for membership. I realize the instructions do not reference the clarifying exclusion for dating websites that do not have as their primary business, International Introductions but it IS part of the law. The problem with legal documents is that to read and understand them one must be careful to follow the precise literal meaning of a complicated sentence. It doesn't work to parse the sentence. Edited June 15, 2006 by pushbrk (see edit history) Link to comment
coulter Posted June 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 The form defines a marriage broker as If you met your fianc¨¦ or spouse through the services of aninternational marriage broker, you must notify USCIS ofthat fact by answering Question 19 on this form. The term¡°international marriage broker¡± means a corporation,partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity,whether or not organized under any law of the UnitedStates, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial,matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contactinformation or otherwise facilitating communicationbetween individuals. This seems to broaden the definition, since it includes any entity which simply "facilitates communication".224397[/snapback]I believe the statute used the term "facilitates communication" as well. Link to comment
ameriken Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 The form defines a marriage broker as If you met your fianc¨¦ or spouse through the services of aninternational marriage broker, you must notify USCIS ofthat fact by answering Question 19 on this form. The term¡°international marriage broker¡± means a corporation,partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity,whether or not organized under any law of the UnitedStates, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial,matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contactinformation or otherwise facilitating communicationbetween individuals. This seems to broaden the definition, since it includes any entity which simply "facilitates communication".224397[/snapback]I believe the statute used the term "facilitates communication" as well.224405[/snapback]Yes, my understanding of the law is it does include dating websites because they facilitate a platform that puts the USC in contact with the foreign prospect. Link to comment
Guest pushbrk Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 The form defines a marriage broker as If you met your fianc¨¦ or spouse through the services of aninternational marriage broker, you must notify USCIS ofthat fact by answering Question 19 on this form. The term¡°international marriage broker¡± means a corporation,partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity,whether or not organized under any law of the UnitedStates, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial,matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contactinformation or otherwise facilitating communicationbetween individuals. This seems to broaden the definition, since it includes any entity which simply "facilitates communication".224397[/snapback]I believe the statute used the term "facilitates communication" as well.224405[/snapback]Yes it does. It also uses an exclusionary paragraph that addresses what is NOT an IMB. Link to comment
Guest pushbrk Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 The form defines a marriage broker as If you met your fianc¨¦ or spouse through the services of aninternational marriage broker, you must notify USCIS ofthat fact by answering Question 19 on this form. The term¡°international marriage broker¡± means a corporation,partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity,whether or not organized under any law of the UnitedStates, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial,matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contactinformation or otherwise facilitating communicationbetween individuals. This seems to broaden the definition, since it includes any entity which simply "facilitates communication".224397[/snapback]I believe the statute used the term "facilitates communication" as well.224405[/snapback]Yes, my understanding of the law is it does include dating websites because they facilitate a platform that puts the USC in contact with the foreign prospect.224406[/snapback]It is a complicated sentence that must not be parsed. ===================================================If you met your fianc¨¦ or spouse through the services of an international marriage broker, you must notify USCIS of that fact by answering Question 19 on this form. The term ¡°international marriage broker¡± means a corporation, partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity, whether or not organized under any law of the UnitedStates, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial, matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contact information or otherwise facilitating communication between individuals. ============================================= The confusion begins at... "...that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial,matchmaking services, or social referrals between UnitedStates citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted tothe United States as lawful permanent residents andforeign national clients by providing personal contact information or otherwise facilitating communication between individuals." Note "fees for providing" "between United States....and foreign national "clients". If a dating website charges all members the same fee whether they choose to communicate with people from another Nation or not, then they are not primarily facilitating communication between US folks and foreign folks. They just post profiles of "people" and facilitate communication between those people. Members interested in marriage (whether international or not) are not charged differently than those interested in pen pals or dating. These sites are not IMB's. They have members from different countries but their business is not primarily help people marry foreigners. There is also an exlusionary paragraph in the law that clarifies this. Link to comment
ameriken Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Why not continue the IMBRA law discussion over here? http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18628 Link to comment
Guest pushbrk Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 (edited) Why not continue the IMBRA law discussion over here? http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18628224412[/snapback]Because it's in the survey forum. There's been extensive discussion in this forum covering much of the law and related questions. Here's an example. What is NOT an IMB... http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18336 Edited June 15, 2006 by pushbrk (see edit history) Link to comment
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