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So she went to the American consulate to get a notarization with her father, and was refused with the reason being 'you can't ask another country to verify who are your parents'. I suppose that makes sense and neither of us really thought about that before trying. Practically everyone we've asked about the birth certificate issue in China has said the same thing to my fiancee... that they cannot issue one until the DNA test is done. So we've sorta been tinkering with the idea that since her mother refuses to do the DNA test, would it be reasonable to say that it's within my fiancee's right request a DNA test, especially since it's hampering her future plans? Is there anything that can be done from a legal standpoint?

I asked her what if her mom was unknown or the dna test failed, she said that they just wouldn't issue one at all in that case. By document everything I've tried, so far I've told her to: 1) Go back to the Gong Zheng Chu and try to get a letter from them stating that it must be necessary to get the DNA test. 2). Had her write her own letter of everything she has tried, and include that in our application. The letter is in Chinese, so I will translate it into English. 3). Ask her to go with her dad to the embassy in Guangzhou to get an American notarization of an affidavit stating she is who she claims she is. (Chinese and/or English?.... dad does not speak English) Next question I have is, as I would like her to have one more person vouch for her parents' existence... I think she should ask a neighbor who has known her family for a long time to write an affidavit to prove that my fiancee is who she says she is. The problem is that she lives far away from Guangzhou, and I was wondering if it would be sufficient to just take her letter to a Gong Zheng Chu and get it translated into English there. Would that hold any weight in the consulate?

They're refusing to issue one at all until a DNA test is done, which her mom refuses to do. I'm thinking the only thing we have left to do is to take her father and another witness to get an American notarized statement saying that he is her father and that her mother is her mother, similar to the affidavit at the bottom of this post, and include that in our application. I really don't know what else to do. I've asked so many friends, friends of friends, and people who know people, and it seems there's nothing else to do. Does anyone have any final suggestions? Where can I get documents notarized from an American notary? Do I need to make a reservation? Is there an informational phone number I can call? Is just using her father's testimony enough, or should she find someone else too? Thanks

Here is the answer to the rest of the questions: Was she entered into a hukou with her family at any point in her life? - Not with her parents. She used to be in a hukou with her grandparents and aunts and uncles. When the grandparents died and her aunt got married, she got her own hukou. What document did she use to obtain the passport? - She said she just simple got her ID card and (possibly) hukou book, and just went to apply for it. She said it was very easy. Who are her parents (no, don't answer that, just tell us whether she knows and whether it states their names in any of these documents)? - I asked her about it, and she says she has never been in any documents with her parents, as they had her when they were not of legal marrying age, among other complications. Does the mother have a hukou which shows her daughter? - No.

Was she entered into a hukou with her family at any point in her life? - (Will ask her) DOES SHE HAVE A CHINESE ID? - Yes. DOES SHE HAVE A PASSPORT? - Yes. What document did she use to obtain these? - (Will ask her) Who are her parents (no, don't answer that, just tell us whether she knows and whether it states their names in any of these documents)? - As far as I know, her parents names are not listed in any documents. I'll have to ask her more about this. Do these documents show her date of birth? - There is a date of birth on the documents, however, as I understand it, nobody in the family can agree to when exactly she was born (including the year(!!!)), and no one can remember clearly. Her ID card has a date on it that she has been using as her "official" birth date for her whole life, but she personally believes her birth date is incorrect and she celebrates her birthday about two weeks before her "official" birthday. Was she given a NEW hukou later in life without any other family members? - (Will ask her). Are you saying that now because her hukou has no family members that the Gong Zheng Chu is refusing to giver her a birth certificate? - It seems to me like this is the case, and that's why they're saying that she will need to get a (4500RMB) DNA test (which her mother refuses to take) in order to be granted a birth certificate. Does the mother have a hukou which shows her daughter? - (Will ask her).

Her Hukou does not list any other family members. I also seem to understand that if it were to list other family members, it would only contain her grandmother who is now passed away. Do other Chinese people's hukous have their other family members listed in it?

My fiancee was born at home in 1990 and never got a birth certificate. She is from the countryside (Nong Cun). Her parents also split up after she was born. Her mother tried to put her up for adoption, but then was eventually raised by her grandmother who has now passed away. She unfortunately continues to have bad relations with her biological parents. As we need a birth certificate to continue the K1 visa process, she gone and asked the Gong Zheng Chu (Public Notary Office) about obtaining a birth certificate, and they have told her that she needs to get a DNA test with her parents to prove that she is their child. The problem is that her mother refuses to take the test. I'm lost now and don't know how I should proceed. I don't want my petition to go up in flames over a birth certificate, but I don't see what else we can do. Does anyone have suggestions?