Ok, I went back and re-read the entire thread again. I grant you that no one specifically used the actual word "forced" but if you re-read the entire thread, I think honestly you have to admit the inference from several posts/posters was that the government somehow forces everyone to join the CCP if they wanted any kind of job. Bottom line is that only 5% of the populous are currently members of the CCP. If any of your spouses/SO were or are lucky enough to be a member of the CCP, it only helps their lives in China. GUZ has nothing to do with a Chinese person's life when in China. Only when the Chinese person wants to immigrate to the US does GUZ become an issue. Again, I'm going to submit that at the time any one is offered a CCP membership, they eagerly embrace the offer, rather than some on here have made it sound, as if people timidly and apprehensively accept the membership with fear and trepidation. Dave wrote: Dave, I appreciate your comments. I agree with you that they should be able to take a job without having to worry about the visa process. The problem is, I think in all circumstances, the visa applicants obtain their jobs long before they applied for a US immigration visa. At the time of their membership to the CCP, I believe they sincerely wanted it. It's only much later that their CCP membership is considered a deficit for US immigration visa processing. This is why I think it's disingenuous to claim that they were forced to accept the CCP membership, because at the time they accepted CCP membership, they were quite eager to accept it. Likewise, I appreciate your comments over anti-China sentiments. I don't like unnecessary anti-Chinese sentiments, but I'm all for criticism of the Chinese government when it's valid. I have a lot of criticism for China myself. But on this issue, I think it's just disingenuous for people to blame this issue on the CCP. A Chinese person can only benefit from being in the CCP in China. There is no loss. Only as it relates to US immigration matters will a CCP membership be suddenly considered a liability. I will tell you this. I know people who have turned down CCP membership because they knew they would eventually emigrate to the US. For those people, I don't think they're disingenuous. I applaud their integrity. For the rest who benefited before they knew they'd emigrate by joining the CCP and then complain afterwards only when they learn it affects their chances of obtaining an immigration visa, that is disingenuous. In the end, Carl has already said that almost everyone--if not all--eventually overcome BLUE due to CCP membership. So it's not a huge problem, just a little delay before the eventual visa is issued.