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didn't realize I'd have to explain my joke...
The topic was about an american swimmer named Phelps who won some medals swimming in the olympics in china... There is west and east in it.
I then made a metaphor of apologizes to swimming....
The CCTV comparison is neither across countries nor used in a metaphor punch line...
Maybe we can say that CCTV is playing with fire it cannot handle correctly.. but then we'd be moving more off topic
I assumed you meant that Phelps was a clueless western person who did not understand eastern culture by saying he was sorry, blah blah blah and promised to do better.
I only pointed out that CCTV apology was as useless as Phelps.
I know who Phelps is but thanks for explaining the "joke."
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The US has been the policeman of the world since the end of World War 2. We have disrupted our society 4 times since then to fight the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Desert Storm and the war in Iraq. How many times other then the Korean War has China when it was a puppet state for the old USSR disrupted their society?
Guarantees? Yea we can give them guarantees. We are not going to allow Chinese goods into our country.
Big talk .... but they hold most of our debt so they win in an economic war. Protectionism will not solve the US problems. Having resonable, responsible and ethical businessmen and politicans will ..... know any?
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"Budweiser at the high end..." ???
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Selling their shares of Tsingtao? What idiots.
I think Microsoft admitted that it too 10 years of attempts to break into the chinese market to realize the western model of 'flexing your muscle' is nonesense... if you want to play in china, you got to know the chinese...
So what is the chinese market for beer? I agree with Robert. Selling shares of Tsingtao does not make sense. For now some Chinese drink Bud because it is from USA not because the taste is high end. However I dont think "all things USA are better quality" will continue to work in China for marketing. Especially once they begin to taste the better quality European beers.
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yea.. the chinese are known for their historical dependence on [false] promises and words spoken [without action] 
another clueless westerner trying to swim the eastern waters
LOL .. CCTV management must also be a clueless westerner trying to swim the eastern waters.
http://english.sina.com/china/2009/0210/217271.html
In a statement on its website www.cctv.com, the broadcaster said it "feels sorrowful for the great loss that the fire inflicted on national assets. CCTV sincerely apologizes for the traffic congestion and inconvenience that affect residents nearby"
Forgot the firefighter unless he is one of the national assets they refer to.
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has anyone who posted actually read the article?
Two mention her "books".. yet this is editorial prior to the interview proper... do most stop at the editorial and make inference from that?
It has little to do selling any books... and less about a cure towards happiness. I read about accepting pain and finding a way to accept it as a real part of reality. "Life if life; reality is reality"-- a chinese lady once said this to me.
Maybe the acceptance of pain as a real part of life is not something that most want to discuss or accept?
I read it. accepting pain is part of life...it is called experience. It is about happiness...that to find real happiness you need to accept life and its problems, etc. Sure..everyone knows that. She chooses to do it through mediation, breathing and moving into the Lama foundation while leaving her kids. To each her own.
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She's selling books. That's what pretty much all that stuff is about anyway. Seems pretty useless.
all books sell David, all useless ? Marx's, Plato, Pain, Confucius, Jesus (bible), Toplaw, Helen kella, dhala Lama etc ...
but lets concentrate on message not delivery
Ok ... her message is "buy my book to help you be more happy". There are many ways to happiness but utilmately you have to make yourself happy. The book or her "way" will not do it for you.
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Aloha to all.
Sorry for not posting earlier. LiFeng got a blue slip. I have been busy rushing around getting the necessary requested documents. Mostly about my self employment financials. She also has to have a DNA test on her son. Hopefully all of the issues will be answered to their satisfaction.
Again I am sorry for not posting sooner. I have been without the internet for several months and have just gotten it installed at my new house site. I am off the power grid up here in the jungle on the side of the volcano. Pretty basic living but very beautiful here so one can put up with a lot.
I will post more since I now have internet.
Aloha Ed
Sorry to hear that but sounds like you sound overcome it easily.
I am living in Qingdao ... when will you be back this way?
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Whome,
Definitely agree. Same problem with LA or SF. Stray bullets are during New Years are rampant.
Kind of sad that Beijing lowered the fire standards during a good part of the year and ended up with a building loss.
You can hear the voices now. Beijing and/or CCP is too tight and constrains our freedom during our Chinese New Year and celebration.
Hence, Beijing went liberal and ended up with one lost building, not to mention insurance costs to the builder, economic impact, the loss of jobs to construction workers at the site and future employees, etc, etc, etc.
See this story. http://english.sina.com/china/2009/0209/217212.html
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How about the normal solvents, paint, and/or other normal flammables found in any construction site?
The sad part is that the Beijing city government, released normal firework controls for the Chinese New Year. I suppose that hind-sight is 20-20. Foresight, is 20-400.
Whatever reason; seems very sad. Not a has a single guest checked in yet, and goes up in flames.
Every year in Mobile AL houses and cars get hit by stray bullets fired in the air at New Year's. One year a little child was hit and killed. Every year the police would ask people to remember that shooting of guns into air is dangerous and anyone found doing so would be prosecuated.
Didn't help.
No country or government is better than another.
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I also have used mychinavisa.com and i have to say the service is the best I have ever experienced for any product / any service / anytime!!
I always get a 1 yr multiple entry (good for 90 days) F Visa (business). Never a problem.
I used them also to get my children a L visa (tourist) for last summer. Even with the Olympics changes in Visa policy was not a problem!
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I think you got some good advice there.
Remember that HK is a separate country for administrative purposes. You must marry in HK in order to interview for the K3 in HK.
The procedure for marrying in HK is different than it is on the mainland China
I am confused. I thought you only could DCF for CR-1/IR-1 in a foreign country and had to go through USA for K1 or K3 visa? Also isn't all new IV activity reassigned to GUZ from HK?
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A frightening view of what may already be taking place in China but not being reported...My wife is in her hometown in Hunan right now and tells me that there are many more rich people then ever before...and many more people who are trying to scratch out a living...
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle5627687.ece
I'm pretty sure someone's just makin all that stuff up Rog.
My wife says Shenzhen housing market is tough to rent apartment now because many of the workers have gone back home due to lost jobs. I've also seen and heard of many factories closing in Shenzhen. I do not know anout the riots and things. So at least not all of the information is made up.
The economy in China right now is also bad and there is a large gap between rich and poor (in case you didn't know it ... the same is true in America --- compare CEO salary to avg worker from 1970's to today).
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China also does not appear to need to outsource jobs (unlike the US) ..... there are many Chinese who are willing to work for what the US workers would consider unreasonably low wages, at very long hours. Our 22-year old son is one of these, he goes to work at 9am and comes home at 9pm EVERY DAY. His earnings..... 600rmb per MONTH. I am proud that he does not want to lay around the house complaining.
I'm not surprised. This is so common in China. Most of my co-workers also work until about 9:00 or 10:00 every night.
China will handle problems with unemployment much better than Americans.
You did not read the article correctly:
as many as 26 million of China's estimated 130 million migrant workers are now unemployed -- they are only talking about migrant workers not all workers. This is 20%.
also the article said "countryside, where jobs have always been scarce and migrant workers contribute 65 percent of the average rural family's cash income, according to research from the People's Bank of China."
Americans saving and not spending is bad for China. It is now a global economy and a problem in one area no longer is isolated from the rest of the world.
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bottom line is ..it is not an interview,it is a trial without a jury,one person judge,end of the story,i know in America we like to call things by kinder terms, a wife..."beneficiary",and a trial an interview...it sounds so much nicer..so sterile,....it has nothing to do with catching "bad guys" as everyone will say on here(because the bad guys,know how to play this game,very well)....it is a game,one must play it,if you want your wife here.if the "VO"is having a bad day,your wife is history,she doesnt have a chance.If the vo doesnt like the way your wife said goodmorning,its over,if your wife is too pretty,i mean the list goes on and on......it is judge,jury,executioner,one person.......not the america i once knew.
those that did not get a white slip,will never know the feeling,its that simple.sorry,i dont mean no disrespect to anyone.
its funny,everyone in america,talks so much shit about China....i just got back from China,I walked thru the immigration/customs line,everyone was polite,I get in Atlanta,and a freaking immgration employee directing people to certain lines, she is so pissed at this chinese couple,they obviously didn't understand what she said,and she was screaming at them.!!!!...yeah welcome to america.....she was having a bad day......if she was a "vo"brother you would be toast.
there is no oversight,this is where everybody on here,misses the point,we are all human,make mistakes,have bad days,no matter where you work,there is someone keeping you in check.....not so at GUZ,one person makes a decision.....and it is etched in stone.
well,i am just blowing off some steam.....
if something is broken it needs to be fixed....thats my 2 cents
jimi
I fell out of my chair laughing about the Atlanta comment. As a USC I can only say "You are 100% correct!!" ... Oh I said this in public. Next the DHS will be at my door.
It amazes me that in Atlanta the way they yell at you (USC and foreigners). Last time through I forgot to turn my cell phone off and as I am waiting for them to clear me at the desk it rings. As I am turning it off the woman asks sacrastically with an attittude "Are you turning it off or taking the time to text back" as she stops what she is doing and just looks at me. She then throws my passport in a folder, calls an officer, and sends me to the back room because, her quote, "I could not follow the instructions of the guards". Took me 45 minutes in the small room before I was cleared without a "welcome back to the USA" after 6 months in China.
Everyplace has its good and bad points. But in USA so many people talk about China like it is a 3rd world country.
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Lee you can lawyer it up however the issue still exists:
1. DHS approved the petition after many background checks
2. DOS made background check and approved benef. for visa
3. VO has final step; one can state non-bona fide relationship but one needs proof.
Your example of driver's license is correct. When you have met the requirements (age) you take the exams. If you pass the written exams and eye/sign test you then get a road/driving test. At the end of this test the officer tells you if you passed or failed. Since i failed my first time and so did my daughter I can tell you that they told me what I did wrong (my 3 pt turn was not correct). They did not say "none bonda fide driver" and send me home without recourse.
All I am saying is if the VO officer decides the evidence is not enough they should give you a reason.
If you think the system does not require the VO to give a reason then why even put the petition through to the DHS and DOS? Just send it to the VO, who must be soothsayers, since they can easily determine if a relationship is bona-fide or not.
For me I cannot see how ANYONE can make this decision based on the information you have to supply with a petition. A good scammer can fake all the information easily just like a real person can not do a good job of putting information together and appear to be a sham. Indded my thinking would be the best petitions must be a scam because they try to hard. How in the world can a VO make this determination in 5 min.?
Again .. just cut out all the waiting for DHS/DOS and go straight to the VO if they are so intelligent.
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I have a question I have not seen addressed here.
Does anyone know or have an opinion if it would be a problem if a person got a Certificate of Marriageability (COM) notarized at GZ ACS office for a Chinese woman and then did not marry them while later (one year) getting a COM (and marrying) for a different Chinese woman? Will they have this in their database?
The GZ office said it was no problem to get a new one as long as one had not used the prior one. I wonder if this would raise a red flag for a person's interview however?
It's a big step 'inbetween marriages', right? Your basis is that 'you did not use the first one', yes? The first woman - you never filed any US-based paperwork on her, right? I'm making a stretch here, but if the USC did not file any paperwork for a petition for the first one, all should be fine.
But that's just an assumption. Not even a SWAG (Scientific Wild Ass Guess).
Your are correct in that I did not file any paperwork/petition for the first chinese woman. I only got a certificate of marriageability as were thought that we might get married. After dating for a few more months we changed our mind. Exactly one year later I got another certificate of marriagability for my current wife. I was just wondering if they would hold it against you for getting two certificates of marriability (one year apart).
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A white, blue or pink slip is issued to a beneficiary alone, they don't issue it to the USC petitioner and while it may have an impact on the petitioner it is an extreme stretch to say they denied or issued a visa to the USC.
Sure you have a right to pursue happiness, but the supreme court does not guarantee anything other than your right to pursue it, you don't have any guarantee you will get it, only the right to seek it.
While you may find legal footing to challenge the decision by the VO you probably don't have enough money or resources to force them to do anything no matter how right you believe you are. Basically you can want in one hand and $@#% in the other, one will get full first and it won't be the first one.
If you want to be with her in the US you need to evaluate what is the most expedient method to accomplish what you want and focus your energy on accomplishing your goal, anything else can only delay what you desire.
No one is arguing the outrage you feel in this situation, but if you focus solely on the wrong you feel was done to you personally you will not be able to do your best to pursue your own personal happiness.
This is not the point. You have a right, as a USC, to be given the reason and evidence of non bona-fide relationship. The burden of proof is on the VO (and DOS). It is not right to just say NBFR and not explain or provide proof. This is similar to be arrested and then considered quilty before the trial. The VO officers assume all applications are a sham which is incorrect.
The poster who will inform her senator and future SEC. of State about this situation has the right idea. For you individually you have to make plan b/c/etc. However to change anything for the future we all have to voice our opinion and displeasure at the system as it is to our represenatives.
One would think the Immigration lawyers would also have similar thoughts but remember that they make more money when you are rejected. Most people dont use a lawyer until they get rejected. Every wonder why so many rejections (so many people in Congress are ?????? Lawyers!!).
It is your USC right to know specific reason why your petition (YOUR petition not the benef.) was rejected.
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I have a question I have not seen addressed here.
Does anyone know or have an opinion if it would be a problem if a person got a Certificate of Marriageability (COM) notarized at GZ ACS office for a Chinese woman and then did not marry them while later (one year) getting a COM (and marrying) for a different Chinese woman? Will they have this in their database?
The GZ office said it was no problem to get a new one as long as one had not used the prior one. I wonder if this would raise a red flag for a person's interview however?
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If you file a second I-130 before you abandon the other, there will be two in USCIS systems which can cause confusion.It seams that Beijing DHS office is now back open as I have contacted them via email and received an answer the same day. I have a question now. In early November I wanted to DCF but since I could not get in contact with Beijing I filed for K-3 visa through my lawyer in USA. The time frame currently is 11 months. I will leave China in August 2009. Can I abandon my USA K-3 Visa filing and DCF in Beijing this month? The timing in Beijing would allow us most likely to get her CR-1 visa before I have to leave. Can I file in Beijing before I abandon the filing in USA or will this cause problems?
Thanks,
Alan
You can write a letter to USCIS and note the petition number and send to the service center that is working on the (I-130+I-129F) explaining your situation, that you are resident in China and will be filing an I-130 at the consulate at a later time.
Note: Make sure that you maintain US domicile while living in China, in either case you need to provide evidence that your time in China is Temporary. Maintain US bank accounts, DL, mailing address, file returns...
Thanks. So I need to abandon the I-130 filed in USA first then apply for I-130 in China or can I do both of these at the same time?
Another question - could I have filed the I-130 here in China and then filed the I-129F in USA (from the China I-130 recepit)? It seems this is probably possible but wonder why my lawyer did not say this was an option?
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It seams that Beijing DHS office is now back open as I have contacted them via email and received an answer the same day. I have a question now. In early November I wanted to DCF but since I could not get in contact with Beijing I filed for K-3 visa through my lawyer in USA. The time frame currently is 11 months. I will leave China in August 2009. Can I abandon my USA K-3 Visa filing and DCF in Beijing this month? The timing in Beijing would allow us most likely to get her CR-1 visa before I have to leave. Can I file in Beijing before I abandon the filing in USA or will this cause problems?
Thanks,
Alan
your post is a bit confusing...
All you need to clarify is: Where did you file the I-130.. it's not in your timeline WHERE it was filed; US or consulate in China.
If US, then that means you would have to stop that filing and then file DCF; If you already filed in China for I-130, you can just pursue it.
Sorry .. I filed for K-3 Visa in US at the VSC.
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[i am trying to make an appointment to file my I-130 in Beijing though. Are you suggesting I should try and fax guangzhou to make an appt. with them for Beijing? not clear on what you mean, but thanks for the suggestion.
Actually, I was thinking of faxing them so that you could get a good number to call, or to ask for an appointment.
It seams that Beijing DHS office is now back open as I have contacted them via email and received an answer the same day. I have a question now. In early November I wanted to DCF but since I could not get in contact with Beijing I filed for K-3 visa through my lawyer in USA. The time frame currently is 11 months. I will leave China in August 2009. Can I abandon my USA K-3 Visa filing and DCF in Beijing this month? The timing in Beijing would allow us most likely to get her CR-1 visa before I have to leave. Can I file in Beijing before I abandon the filing in USA or will this cause problems?
Thanks,
Alan
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Since it has been bothering me.... am I the only white American female filing for an asian man or are there others out there???
American Woman
Why does this bother you? It does not bother me that whenever I am back in USA most women like to whisper that I married a chinese girl because I was not goo enough for a USA woman. Who cares what others think?
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Can someone tell me which embassy (Guangzhou or Beijing) one should file in when in China? I live in Shandong but my wife lived in Shenzhen and still has an apartment there. The embassy in Beijing would seem to be the one for me to file my I-130 with but I have not been able to reach them in the last two weeks. The Guangzhou office seems to be much more qualifed and professional.
Phelps apologizes to Chinese fans
in The Middle Kingdom - 中国
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Actually he is probably not sorry at all. He is young, having a good time, on top of his career and was at a party.
He only is doing to "I'm sorry" PR because in a PC world you have to. They have a picture of him at a party with an empty bong. What did he actually do? Most likely he took some hits but no one can prove it nor does it affect ANYONE but himself. If your kids or orther do bong hits because you saw Phelps do it then they have a lot of other issues to address.
You can't compare him to the baseball players who took performance enhancing drugs. To my little knowledge I do not think bong hits will make him swim faster.
"If he were to donate part of his endorsement milllions to the chinese, then he would be showing some action worthy of reading..." --- AGREED. Also be nice if CCTV, other baseball players, Ted Kennedy, etc. would do the same instead of just saying I am sorry.