JamesBDennis

Mr. King seems to think I was attacking his ethics or his ability. Nothing is farther from the truth. I was attacking the insecurity of the situation. If people believe otherwise I apologize to Mr. King and to them. I had just been told that the women I love, the only women in 30 years that I love enough and trust enough to marry, was a fraud by my government. I was questioning every thing, including my government, Mr. King, this website, and my wife. Mr. King’s account is substantially consistent with what I remember except for one thing. I do not remember him saying that he could fix any mistakes or faulty documents. What I quite clearly understood him to say was that if there was any fraudulent documents or if we had done any “lying” then there was nothing that he could do for us and he was done. That was fair if true. If my recollection is faulty I apologize. Mr. King is also correct that it was a “rant”. I was and am still quite upset at the situation. I challenge anyone to go through what I am and be calm and collected. I know that none of the several people that I have met in this or a similar situation have been calm and collected. They have all been angry, scared, and frustrated. The worst part is you can not find out what is going on. How do you defend your self or your loved one against some thing that they will not tell you? My last trip to see them they told me that my wife was living with her ex at the time of the interview. I told them I found that odd as I was living with her at the time of the interview and I did not see any Chinese men around the place. They, all three or four of them, just looked at me like I had two heads. They will not tell you, or the lawyer, what the “evidence” is. I am sure it is some kind of “third party” issue but then what. If they do not tell you what it is how do you defend against it? It is nearly impossible to “prove” some one innocent. I love my wife and believe in my heart that she loves me but I am smart enough to know that what my heart tells me could be wrong. I have watched too many of my friends, male and female, be that last to know that the person they trusted the most is not true to them. There is no way to defend against that. I have also watched too many people drive themselves and every one else nut’s sneaking around “checking” on their spouse. I am not going to live like that. You can never “prove” some one innocent, just that that they are guilty. Now having said all this, I still stand by my first post. I do not “know” enough about Mr. King or any of you to “trust” you. That does not mean I think you are bad guys or liars. I did not say that. What I said is that I have no information on any of you from a “trustworthy” source. At the time of my offending post I only had Mr. Kings word that he was the “King” of CFL. I also have only your word that Mr. King is as good as he said he is. I don’t know you, just what some of you post. This does not mean you are bad guys, just that I do not know you. Now the lawyer that I am dealing with is some one that I do trust. He checks out with several sources that I do trust. He also cost’s a great deal more than Mr. “King”. If he manages to help me I will report this, in time. In the mean time I heartily encourage any one that feels that they need a lawyer to use Mr. King. He is very personable and seems to know what he is about. It is just that I can not vouch for his skills. I have no first hand knowledge of them. Thank you. Jim.

My word,,,,some of you are a bit touchy! I was simply stating facts. First I tell what happened, then I explain who I trust and why. Yes, I am a bit paranoid. I think I have reason to be. I am also angry at the consulate for what they have done. I am not angry because they rejected the application. I am angry because of how they are handling this. They do not do a good job of explaining why they make their decision and it is a really dirty trick to tell me that they have reason to believe she has an “ongoing relationship” with out telling me what that reason to believe is. It is not good for anyone’s mental health. I am also very scared that they are right, or they are wrong but we will never get this straightened out and I will have to spend the rest of my life running back and forth to China just to be with the women I love. Don’t jump on my case until you have walked in my shoes. Some of you have given good advice. Thank you. I think some of you read better than others and some of you just seem to smell red meat. I am not here for my ego. I am here for ideas and information. I am willing to share what I know for that information and try and help others. I have done so in the past and continue to do so but I do not see the need for much of what some of you think is required. Now why do I continue to post if I do not trust this forum. First, as I said I think the Consulate and Home Land Security monitor this sight, if they will not read what I give them at the consulate maybe they will here, second it helps me think and I need the writing practice. I was never good at writing and have spent the last twenty plus years at an occupation that does not require it. I am quite proud of what I do but it does not require writing skills. Last but not least, I think that it might be of help for others in the same predicament as me. There were 4 (counting me) very angry and upset men at my end of the line when last I went to the consulate. There were two more at the other end that I did not talk to. None of them said a word until I started asking questions. As far as I could tell every one of them had a worse story than mine. They had been waiting years for answers and got none. People need to know this. Well this is enough for one post. For those of you that have been helpful, thank you. Jim

Yes, you can, but I recommend.... http://www.mychinavisa.com/ 182382[/snapback] I have got a visa twice in the past for Shenzhen in Hong Kong but it was a two day mess both times and the last time I was told to "never come back". I never did find out the problem. Maybe the Chinese VO did not like tall commercial fisheman. LOL. I use a place in Texas I found on the net. It could be the same as listed in the last post. The name sounds the same. Good luck. Jim

Hi Guy’s Several days ago I told you that I would be posting a piece on trust. First a little background for those that have not been fallowing my case. I was given a personal introduction to my wife by a long time, but not close friend, in September of 2003. We married after 3 trips to see her, in January of 2005 on the advice of a lawyer that said it would be the quickest why to get her to the US. It also let me stay with her longer while we waited. I expected a 12 to 18 month wait and we got a 7 ½ month wait from the I -130 to the K-3 interview. I did not file as soon as we married because of a family crises and I did not use that lawyer because I found out that we could not do a DCF (Direct Consular Filing) like he told us we could. That was not all his fault. He did tell me to check with the consulate. I checked the consulate web page. The web page did not mention that you need a permanent residence permit. He also would not send any thing to China were I was at the time. I either had to return home or I had to have some one forward every thing. This would have been a logistic nightmare. He also doubled the money he wanted. I now understand that was because there are two forms, an I-130 and an I-129. It is more work for him. I returned home expecting to have most of a year to prepare for things. My occupation requires one month of preparation, two months of wide open, hard as you can go, drive, a three week break and two months of wide open drive, with the rest of the year off. Think 16 to 20 hour days, bad food, and pretty hard physical work. Also think about making two or three grand on “some” days. When it all works I love it. I still love it when it does not all work. Over the summer I checked the mail and pick up the NOA 1 and 2 for both the I-130 and the I-129. It is going much faster than expected. I think OK cool. In September I return to China for a short visit and the P3 comes. I think cool, and we rush to fill it out. I check people’s time lines and find that it is taking about 5 months to get from P-3 to interview. That puts us in February I think. Cool, I think. She will have time to adjust some before I have to go into overdrive and will be unable to baby sit her. It will also let her see a little bit of winter, then a summer, before she has to face the long winter. This is looking good. The next thing I know she is telling me that she has the interview on December 14. This is not good. I still have things to do in the states then and I want to be there for the interview. Also I want to help with the P-4 papers. She has great handwriting, much better than me, but does not read complex English well. I on the other hand am a speed reader but need a dictionary and a printer to write a shopping list. If it was not for multiple chouse tests I would have not got out of grade school. I do a quick skim of this forum for info on delaying the interview and every thing I find leads me to believe that it can not or should not be done. When last I looked at the Consulate web page I did not see any info on this. So I get over here as fast as I can, about a week before the interview, and we try and get the paper work done. This is not helped by her family, ( large and demanding) her work, she is gone on a normal day form about 7:15 am to 7:00pm ( 45 minute commute or more both ways, and a 2 hour lunch break), and the fact that one of her understudies at the bank she works at has made off with app $40,000 of money. This is in part my fault because I wanted her to work after we were married. I did not think it healthy for her to be sitting around doing nothing for 12-18 months while we wait for a visa. I also expect her to work in the states. This is not a “money thing”. It is an “independence” thing. So now we get the papers filled out the night before the interview and she goes to the interview. As those that have been there have noted it is a zoo out front of the consulate building. The security guards are some thing else. I even saw them make an old woman get out of a wheel chair and get pulled/ carried/ walked up the steps. There is a wheel chair ramp but they do not use it. What is up with that?????? After standing around for an hour I go back to the room and try and get some sleep. That does not work so I go back and go into the building. Meet a nice guy that is waiting for his wife and step-daughter at the elevator. . After an hour or so they show up and jump on his case because they have been done for hours and have been looking all over for him. I run back to the room and find Amy on the way. She has a blue slip with a request for more info. They want phone log’s and evidence of the Ex husbands location. There are no phone logs to speak of (we used MSN messenger and cheap phone cards) and she does not know the location of the ex. I had written a letter explaining the lack of phone logs but the VO would not or did not read it. She told me the interview was quick, 3-5 minutes. The next Friday I do talk to a VO. He gets me calmed down, tells me to just do the best we can and it will be alright. She finds the ex and gets a letter form his work place, a letter form his local police station as to were he is living, and a utility bill plus some pictures of him holding a newspaper. She also gets some phone logs of when she called me. I write a letter again explaining the lack of phone logs. She turns this in along with some print outs of a sample chat session. Friday the 23 we go back to get the result’s. No go. We are rejected. This is not a request for more info. We are out of there. No real explanation. I talk to “King”. He offers to help for a pretty price; %20 down, the contract is in Chinese and with my wife and not me. No credit cards. Also if there is any thing wrong with the documents he walks with the down. I like him but I do not like his Chinese understudy. Also the consulate is closed that afternoon. We go home and I do some looking on the web. I find that he is not listed on the list of lawyer’s that the consulate keeps but he is listed with the Washington Bar association. My brother (the lawyer) does some work and finds only one case that he has done. It is in the late 60’s I think. I decide to wait until I can talk to a VO. I also do some posting here. This last Friday I go to the Consulate again and talk to a different VO. He tells me that they have reason to believe that she has an “ongoing relationship” with her ex. I press him and he goes off to check with some one and then said there is no question about it. She has an “ongoing” relationship with her ex. He will not tell me what the “reason to believe” is, but that in a few weeks?????? She will receive a letter explaining what that is and what she can do about it. I ask if they will send me a letter and he gets a surprised look on his face. I point out that I need to know this. She is down stairs waiting for me. He goes off again and comes back and tells me that “soon” some one will contact me. I press him some more and he tells me that it will be within two weeks. Ok! So much for back ground, now on to trust. What should I believe, how should I act to my wife. She tells me she has no idea what the problem is, loves me, only me and is not going to worry about it. I have explained in detail several times what I was told and the implications of it. She is just as loving and kind as ever. She does not act “guilty” First, do I trust my wife? With very few exceptions she has never given my any reason to not trust her. The few times that I was concerned were when she had to work late. She did not tell me before, but she always called me to tell me that she was working late as soon as she knew. She was always very sorry about it, but what can one do at the time. I have met 30-40 or more of her large family; I have seen hundreds of pictures of her with her family growing up and of her with her fellow workers at her jobs. I have been to her place of work, a bank, both with her, when it was closed, and also open with reduced staff, last Chinese New Year. What I mean is she went in and unlocked the door, let me in the outer area, then went and did things like put more money in the cash machine and check the fax machine. The next time there was three tellers and a guard on duty. She introduced me to the Guard and the teller’s and then went and did her thing for 45 minutes while I waited. I would think that this would be hard to fake. Having said all that, I know that it would be very easy for her to have five boyfriends just down the street. I don’t speak Chinese and I don’t know the culture. I would not have a clue. I also know that a visa is a great incentive to fake love. I knew this when I started. I decided to take a chance. Do I trust her? Yes. Could she be faking? Yes. Do you trust the US Supreme Court? Better ask Al Gore on that one. Now the question is “do I trust my friend, the guy that gave me the introduction”? Yes. He can be a bit flaky at times but I have known him a long time and I would think that some thing like this would be beyond him. He is married to my wife’s sister and is spending most of the year living in china. Now for the big one! Do I trust the Consulate??? No! The Consulate is nothing more than a place were a bunch of people sit around and try to do a job. At best they are over worked and underpaid. At worst they are over worked, underpaid, and having a bad day. In short they are people trying to get through life the best they can. They are going to make mistakes. I know that they do this every day. It is not their fault. It is the systems fault. I also really do not like people that make allegations but will not back them up with “facts”. Tell me or give her a visa. It is cruel to make me wait. If I trust her I could be in some danger. If I pack my bags and leave then I am unfair to her. Now do I trust “King”? No. He seems a nice guy but let’s look at what I know about him. He has nice offices downstairs from the consulate. He is spoken highly of by some people on this forum. He has a lot of staff. He is listed with the Washington State Bar. He is very personable. He also does not use his real name in this forum. I have no way of knowing if the “King” I met is the King that others are talked about. He is not listed on the Consulate list of U.S. lawyers, and as far as I can tell his company is not listed there. Why??? His contract is very short, in Chinese, and with the “applicant” not the petitioner. Why? He takes %20 down and the rest on the issue of the visa and will see it thru to the end as long as none of the documents are defective or we have made no mistakes on the application. If there is, he walks with the down. That makes sense for him, but does not make me happy. I am almost sure that it is some problem with the paper work, probably the stuff we turned in from the ex husband. I can easily see the ex doing some thing to mess us up. Even the %20 is a large amount of money for China. I think he would do alright to just take the money and drop it at the first sign of trouble. Also I do not see how “King” can collect the rest if he gets a visa for some one and they don’t want to pay. Does the Consulate give the passport with the visa in it to him? Does he sue in US Court? The stuff from the consulate all has a big warning stamped on it warning to be careful of who you let help you. Last but not least. What can he do for me? Will the consulate respond better to him than to me? I talked to four guys while I waited for my turn at the “poison pen” window. Two of then had spent a great deal of money on lawyer’s and had not got any were. They had been waiting a long time. They did not know what the problem was then any more than when they started. So no, King I do not trust you! That does not mean that you are not a stand up guy. You seem very nice. I just do not trust you. Not your fault. Now for the real killer! Do I trust this web site? No. It is the internet guys. We do not know who we are talking to. At best it is the blind leading the blind. At worst it is “King” or some one like him setting people up to make mistakes so that they can “help” fix them. I see no end of misleading and misinformation here. Early on I received some very strange replies to some basic requests for information. Why can people expound for hours on the details of some things but can not answer the basic question “Will they accept the translation form that the Chinese Notary office uses”? This is what it looks like. I am also sure the some one at the consulate monitors this and all other forms that they know about. How better to gather information on unsuspecting people. Every thing we bring them is suspect because we are trying to look the best. We most likely will not bring in anything that looks suspect, but if we were not on the up and up we might let it slip with a strange request or some thing. And yes, they can match you form this forum to your file. This is the age of “big brother” weather we want to admit it or not. I would not mind this if I got the result I want. I am not even sure that I am not getting the result I want. I want a good wife as much as the consulate wants to stop visa fraud. I do not want to go to the US and have her dump me after she gets a green card or as soon as I have a great season and buy a new boat or new house. I don’t mind the wait as long as I know what is going on. I just do not want them to make a mistake or to drop us in a dark hole because they are too busy to do the job right. I just want to be able to trust them and I do not. Just tell me what the “reason to believe” is and I will try and deal with it. Is it because the consulate has pictures of them hanging out together or is it because I forgot to put EX in front of husband in one of my earlier posts? Now I get really paranoid. One of the things I find strange about China is that you can go a week with out seeing an other white guy, then walk right by one and have him not even seem to see you. At 6feet 8inchs 280, I am a bit hard to miss. I’m not sure what is up with this but several other people I know here have also commented on it. OK, now why have I been contacted within hours of the RFI and the rejection by “friendly” strangers? Am I under investigation? Seems a bit strange but I have read about stranger things. Actually if so this is not a bad thing. I have nothing to hide. Just get on with it. Ok now to sum up. Were am I? I don’t trust any one or thing, really. My three big fears are that we will never get a visa, never get any answers and get dropped in a dark hole some were, I will lose my nerve and bolt from my wife by mistake, or last and least likely, I will suffer some “harm” at the hands of my wife while waiting to resolve this. For now life goes on. I will just spend as much time as possible in China. Jim

Hi Guys One of my complaints about this forum is that some people’s posts often do not fit with what I experience. This can lead to great difficulty for some of us. I just read a post that stated the some ones wife could set the interview date for a RFI. Well with us it was not an “interview”. They just took the stuff and told her to go and come back in two days for an answer. Also when she called, they set the date. I do not know if it was the first open spot or if we could have requested a latter time. Now maybe others have had a different experience than me. It would help if people would state that “This is what happened to me” or “This is what I did” instead of just saying this is how or what it is. Thanks. Sorry to sound so grumpy. Jim

Here's GUZ's Party Line on 3rd parties: http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13283 But I reiterate to believe in your wife and not a clerk. 180917[/snapback] Hi Guys Thanks. I just went on a short walk to the park and come back to see you guy's are all over this. Yes I am believing my wife more and more. Also I was tending to go for the third party idea also. I also think it is the ex that screwed us. When ask for his location with RFI she made some calls, located his phone #, called him, he sent us some thing we knew would not work, he sent us a bunch more stuff that we thought would work, and we submited it. She did not get much of a chance to check it out as it arrived shortly befor we had to leave and she was having a lot of problems at work, but her sister-in-law who has much better english skill's and is also a professional, did and thought it was all good. One of my complaint's about my marrage and living in China is she has a job that takes up a lot of time by US standards and she has a large close family. Life is often conducted by committee. It also often centers around eating. It is hard to get much private time to work on things. By the time we get time alone and some time to unwind it is bed time. Well thanks again. Jim

Another dirty trick from Guangzhou Last Friday afternoon I went to the consulate to see if I could get some answers about what the problem was with my wife’s application. As some of you might remember it was rejected Dec 23. After spending an hour sitting in a room with 8-12 angry men and 15-25 Chinese women I get my turn at the window. A very nice male VO tells me that they have reason to believe that my wife has an “ongoing relationship” with her ex. After I pressed him some more on this, he went and checked and came back and said that there was no question about it. She had an ongoing relationship with her ex and that in a few weeks or less they would send her a letter explaining what they know and what she could do about it, but he (the VO) could not tell me what it was just then. I ask if they would send me a letter and he gets this look on his face as if to say “wow what a good idea”. I tell him that I need to know this. He agrees and run’s off again to talk to some one. Pretty soon he comes back and tells me that “soon” some one will contact me. I explain that I will be in China, living with my wife, for at least the rest of the month and if she is cheating on me I need to know this and soon. He tells me that within two weeks they will contact me. So here I sit. How do I treat my wife? My wife tells me she has no idea what they are talking about, loves me and only me, and is not going to worry about what they think and that it will all work out. I have to tell her that I still love her but now do not know if I can trust her. I will be fair to her but if it is true she understands that I am out of here. This is not some thing that I will put up with. It is funny what you can find useful. Early in our relationship I had a problem with her worrying that I would find another woman or had a girlfriend in the US. After a while I explained that I did not have any other women, was not going to get any other women, and did not want any other women. I explained that I could not prove this and she was just going to have to learn to trust me. I explained that I understood her concern but I would not leave her for any other women, but I would leave her if she made me too uncomfortable worrying about it. I explained that I would not do this to punish her, but that if she could not learn to trust me it would not be a healthy relationship and I was not going to live like that. I also explained that there were going to be pretty women that we would see and that I was going to look at. I told her that I would do my best to not do this but it was going to happen. I told her that this did not mean that I was going to fall in love with them, or want to have sex with them, just that they were very pretty. I loved her, only her, and what I loved was what was in her heart and her head, not her pretty face and her body. She kind of went “O” and shut up about the other women thing. I am sure that the part about not leaving for any other women but would leave about being nagged soaked in. I went on to explain that we did not have to agree, we did not always have to be happy with each other, but we did have to be nice to each other. How this is useful is I reminded her of this, and explained that now I did not know what to think. I did not know if I should trust the consulate or her, but until I learned what the consulate had to say I would do my best to trust her and be fair to her. As far as I can tell she understands completely. Now for the strange part! If she is guilty she is one hell of an actor. Life goes on much the same as before. She is just as loving and kind as before. The only change is that she worries that I look too worried and that I “think too much”. She does not seem like a person waiting for the end of her dream or the loss of any thing. She has not ever got any amount of money out of me of and I know that I am not that good in bed. What has she to gain at this point? About the only thing I can think of is, I know that she like’s to have people see her with me when we walk about town. Big deal! With each passing day I believe more and more that the consulate has their #### up their%%%%. I will keep you posted and also in a few days post a piece on “trust”. It might be under a different topic. Thanks Jim

Hi Guy's Sorry for the lap's in reply. I have had other things I have been dealing with. Life does go on. To answer some of you questions. It took us about 7 and 1/2 months from the filing of the I 130 to interview. I did not post a timeline because a: I never figured out how to do it, b: I don't like putting my stuff on the web. I was not happy when I realized that my name was here, c: I do not like to write much. It is not something that I do well. The irony of all this is my writing skill has improved %900 because of all the practice I have using MSN chat. Any English reading girl would have dumped me the first letter. As is, Amy and I have learned together. I have told her this and after meeting me she did not seem to care. Now for the people that ask about no phone record's. There are no phone records because I did not call much and when I did call it was with the phone cards that you get at the post office. As far as I can tell they do not leave any trace. I did not use things like One suit because they do not work were I live unless I make a long-distance call. That would be cheaper than calling Shenzhen but not by much. Also I did not call because I had a web cam and we had a much larger vocabulary in common with MSN chat and when needed, a translation program, winks, and emotions. We rarely use the translation program now as Amy reads and writes English pretty well. She drives me nut's some times when we are talking because she will spell words to me. She knows the word, just now how to say it. I have to write it down to read it. The point is: why go down a level in communication and pay what I think is a buck a minute for it when you can see and if I want, talk to her via the web cam. I explained this in a letter to the consulate but I do not think they take the time to read the letters. The first batch they would not even take from her at the interview. Now as to how long I have known Amy. We were given an electronic introduction by her brother in law, a friend of mine in 2003 September. It was 3 trips and more than a year and ½ before we married. I lived with her for almost 4 months this last winter and I am in the middle of my 5 trip now. We had hoped to go home at the end of January but now I am sure that that is out. I will have to return to the US in Februarys for some delayed medical treatment but will then return as soon as it is safe for me to travel. I have not hired “KING” yet because when I realized I loved this women I paid two different lawyers and got bad advice from both. One was an older woman that was not nice, did not do what she promised and took the $250for what I had since found on the web any number of places. . I think she did not approve of US men marring Chinese women. The second gave me advise that was not was not relevant for China. I chose to marry when I did because I thought I could do a DFC. If I had to do it all over again I would do an I-129. Please understand. I am very happy to be married to Amy. It would have just been much easier the other way. Also I do not like to make decisions when I am rushed or upset and “King” wants a fair amount of money for some one that I do not know too much about. I now know that he is a lawyer from Washington State,( I looked him up on the web) he has very nice offices one floor down from the Consulate, and is very personable. He also made no promise except to try,,,, for %20 cash down, the rest if it works. I also did not like his Chinese assistant. That could be a personal thing on my part. Now you have most of the story. It is late and I need to sleep. Tomorrow I have to make some decisions. Thanks for the advise and help. Jim

Today Wife picked up a Blue slip with this checked on it" The consulate has determined based on your testimony, documents and any other evidence, that you do not have a bonafide relationship with your petitioner. The consulate will now return your case to the Department of Homeland Security for review and possible revocation. Required processing may require several months. When the Consulate returns your case , you will receive confirmation with steps that may take to appeal this decision." Not explanation of what the real problem was. We gave them every thing that we could and I had thought it was over kill. The consulate was closed this afternoon so I could not go talk and it is to be closed next friday also. Friday is the only time that you can talk to the Visa Officer's as I understand it. I spent the rest of the afternoon talking to two other guy's and to " King". King is the US lawyer that has a office in the consulate building. King is not his real name, just the name that he uses on this forum. I will problably use him but am postponing the decision. It is not good to make a decision when upset. I need to think. What PO's me the most is the little amount of time that was spent talking to her and the lack of explanation. They must think she can not speak enough english becasue we stress that her english is not good. It is not good but as far as I can tell it is better than the englsih of the ####guards. We had every thing except phone log's and I had a good explanation of why no phone log's. God I am about to pull my hair out now. Jim

Hi What we got is a letter from his work place stamped with their stamp and with their address and phone nimber, a letter from the local police as to his address, a copy of his ID card, a utility bill with his name on it, and two photo's of him holding a newspaper by a big building with lot's of writing on it. All in Chinese so I can not read any of it. It all looked good to me. You would think that the consulate can read what it said. I got my fingers crossed. Not sure what more they could want. Jim

OK A quick update. Last week I ask for help on “overcome” as Guangzhou had not approved my wife at the interview for a K3 visa. Instead they had asked for copies of phone logs and proof of the location of her husband. Friday I went into what I though was going to be the “American citizen’s hour”. I had attended one of them in January last I had some hope of being able to question a visa officer. That one had been a zoo but I thought it could not hurt. After a bit of a run around from the guards and a clerk and getting a notarized copy of my passport made I was put in a line to get a number to see a VO. At least I think it was a VO. I am not sure if this is not what the “American citizen’s hour” now is or if some one of the guards or clerks decided this was what I needed. The clerk told me to do one thing and the guards told me to do another. All I really needed was a sigh that said “go to window twenty and get a number”. I am not sure if the clerks and guards don’t speak good enough English, don’t know what is going on, or just like to jerk people around, but I saw several people like me come in, wander around looking for instructions on how to proceed, and then get ask by one of the people waiting with a number about what they want. It all boiled down to going to window twenty and getting a number. The clerk room next door has a number machine but that is only to have a copy of some thing made as far as I can tell. Amy way the number window gave me a number and some paper work to fill out and told me to wait for the number to be called. After a long wait they started calling numbers in no particular order and after while get to my number. I go up and visit with a very nice blond white male VO (I think) that got me calmed down, looked my case over, gave me some advise on how to proceed, and make a bunch of note’s in his computer. What it boiled down to was that if you can not get what they ask for just do the best you can, write a letter explaining why, and what step’s you took to comply, and document it as best you can. It is not the end of the world. They might accept that and they might just ask different stuff. What he did not want was for her to drag in a bunch of stuff not ask for. All in all he spent about twenty minute’s with me. Most of the other people got about the same amount of time as far as I could tell and one poor guy (he has real problems) got most of an hour. We seemed to be dealing with real people trying to do a real job and be decent about it. I did not feel rushed or pushed at all. I just hope they were not doing a snow job. Yesterday, Wednesday, we went in and dumped of what we had and they took her passport and told her to come back for a decision Friday. I have a good feeling about it as we had a lot of documentation on her ex and a nice letter explaining why we have no phone records. Now I am just sitting here with my fingers crossed trying to think positive. Jim

Hi Guy's Thanks for all the advise. Much of this I already knew. It is just such a pain that they would not even take the time to look at the letters of explanation that I did have. It is that 3 minutes and your out of there thing that tork's me off. But then again I was not surprised. I also had chat log's but they would not look at them if I understood her correctly. As I told them in my letter's, her spoken english is not good but her reading and writeing was getting better all the time so we just kept at that. After all I could see her with the web cam and talk to her also if I wanted. I will see what they say friday, get my passport noterized, try and find the ex., try and see if we can get a tape made of us talking, and if that fail's I am sure that I will be trying to get King to take the case. Other thing's of note was what a zoo it was the morning of the interview. There was a big crowd with the jack ass local sucurity guards trying to keep order. There was lot's of pushing and shoving and reshuffling and confusion. They made one poor old lady in a wheel chair get out and climb the step's because the wheel chair ramp was blocked off. All the people waiting to get in seemed to handle it quite well. I only saw one other white guy there but that does not mean that there were not some other patitioners there. Will keep you posted on how this paly's out. Jim

Hi Guys's and gal's Just got back from the interview that we did not pass. I am not as freeked as my wife is but still even with being warned by all of you, it is a shock that they will decide your fate in 3 minute's. ("What" no phone log's. Go get them and by the way we need to have you prove were the ex husband is.) I had several letters explaining why there is no phone log's and how we can communicate and how we use MSN messager with a web cam to visit for several hours each day and also the time line but the guy would not even look at them as far as I can tell. Im not sure what to do next as she does not know were the ex is and the phone log's do not exsist. The few call's I made were all with phone cards that do not leave a record. She made a few calls to me because her computer was broke for a few day's but I am not sure even how to get them. They are in the states and I am not going home to get them if I can help it. The good new's is I have plenty of time to work on this. I don't have to be back home untell spring. I will start with the American Citzen hour this friday but any insight would be helpful. Thanks Jim

Thank's guy's. That is the point. I OWN it. I do not have a morgage or monthly bill's. I do have a tax bill. I will show that to them. I should be in very good shape but am doing the kitchen sink deal. It is just that I am worring about every thing at this stage. I am not the normal 9-5 job, house in the suburb's kind of guy. Also I did not expect the interview for another two month's. Jim

Hi Guy's and gal's. Do I need a title search for the I-134 to prove I own my home or will they take my word for it?????? Jim