david_dawei Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I am curious what the consulate has to say about the following situations in regards to a fraud profile, raising a red flag or an issue that might cause a VO to suspect something is not right: 1) For a K1 visa, if the couple frequently uses the terms "lao po" and "lao gong" (wife and husband) in email and correspondence ? 2) For a K1 visa, many couples have an 'unoffical' ceremony and pictures taken of this event. If these pictures were shown at the interview, would that be confusing to a VO (might think they got married) ? 3) The USC giving money to help support the beneficiary while they are waiting. The OF-171 states "Receipts for money orders the petitioner has sent you from United States" , but it is not clear if this can be used against the case since the motive for sending money is not asked for. 4) The lack of english by the beneficiary ? 5) The locale of the beneficiary ? It seems that more denials occur to beneficiaries from South China (where match making is possibly more popular). 6) The number of trips made by the petitioner to see the beneficiary is one of the most ask questions in interviews... but what weight does the petitioner being in China the day of the interview carry, if any ? Link to comment
hakkamike Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) I am curious what the consulate has to say about the following situations in regards to a fraud profile, raising a red flag or an issue that might cause a VO to suspect something is not right: 1) For a K1 visa, if the couple frequently uses the terms "lao po" and "lao gong" (wife and husband) in email and correspondence ? 2) For a K1 visa, many couples have an 'unoffical' ceremony and pictures taken of this event. If these pictures were shown at the interview, would that be confusing to a VO (might think they got married) ? 3) The USC giving money to help support the beneficiary while they are waiting. The OF-171 states "Receipts for money orders the petitioner has sent you from United States" , but it is not clear if this can be used against the case since the motive for sending money is not asked for. 4) The lack of english by the beneficiary ? 5) The locale of the beneficiary ? It seems that more denials occur to beneficiaries from South China (where match making is possibly more popular). 6) The number of trips made by the petitioner to see the beneficiary is one of the most ask questions in interviews... but what weight does the petitioner being in China the day of the interview carry, if any ?167060[/snapback]David, if they told you their system then everyone would know and abuse the Visa Process. You of all people should know better than to ask a questions like that.. Edited November 8, 2005 by hakkamike (see edit history) Link to comment
se_lang Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 1) For a K1 visa, if the couple frequently uses the terms "lao po" and "lao gong" (wife and husband) in email and correspondence ? 2) For a K1 visa, many couples have an 'unoffical' ceremony and pictures taken of this event. If these pictures were shown at the interview, would that be confusing to a VO (might think they got married) ? 3) The USC giving money to help support the beneficiary while they are waiting. The OF-171 states "Receipts for money orders the petitioner has sent you from United States" , but it is not clear if this can be used against the case since the motive for sending money is not asked for.I can say for these 3 would not work for me 1.my wife did not start calling me Lao Gong until the last trip when I brought her home.2.we also did not get pic's until after the interview.3.she refused to take my money. Link to comment
david_dawei Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I am curious what the consulate has to say about the following situations in regards to a fraud profile, raising a red flag or an issue that might cause a VO to suspect something is not right: 1) For a K1 visa, if the couple frequently uses the terms "lao po" and "lao gong" (wife and husband) in email and correspondence ? 2) For a K1 visa, many couples have an 'unoffical' ceremony and pictures taken of this event. If these pictures were shown at the interview, would that be confusing to a VO (might think they got married) ? 3) The USC giving money to help support the beneficiary while they are waiting. The OF-171 states "Receipts for money orders the petitioner has sent you from United States" , but it is not clear if this can be used against the case since the motive for sending money is not asked for. 4) The lack of english by the beneficiary ? 5) The locale of the beneficiary ? It seems that more denials occur to beneficiaries from South China (where match making is possibly more popular). 6) The number of trips made by the petitioner to see the beneficiary is one of the most ask questions in interviews... but what weight does the petitioner being in China the day of the interview carry, if any ?167060[/snapback]David, if they told you their system then everyone would know and abuse the Visa Process. You of all people should know better than to ask a questions like that..167076[/snapback]These are typical issues discussed... I see no reason not to pull some together to ask. If the mods want to put any in as questions or not.. it's up to them... Don't shoot the messenger... Link to comment
IluvmyLi Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I think those are excellent questions. I would love to see the GUZ give his opinion. Link to comment
hakkamike Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I am curious what the consulate has to say about the following situations in regards to a fraud profile, raising a red flag or an issue that might cause a VO to suspect something is not right: 1) For a K1 visa, if the couple frequently uses the terms "lao po" and "lao gong" (wife and husband) in email and correspondence ? 2) For a K1 visa, many couples have an 'unoffical' ceremony and pictures taken of this event. If these pictures were shown at the interview, would that be confusing to a VO (might think they got married) ? 3) The USC giving money to help support the beneficiary while they are waiting. The OF-171 states "Receipts for money orders the petitioner has sent you from United States" , but it is not clear if this can be used against the case since the motive for sending money is not asked for. 4) The lack of english by the beneficiary ? 5) The locale of the beneficiary ? It seems that more denials occur to beneficiaries from South China (where match making is possibly more popular). 6) The number of trips made by the petitioner to see the beneficiary is one of the most ask questions in interviews... but what weight does the petitioner being in China the day of the interview carry, if any ?167060[/snapback]David, if they told you their system then everyone would know and abuse the Visa Process. You of all people should know better than to ask a questions like that..167076[/snapback]These are typical issues discussed... I see no reason not to pull some together to ask. If the mods want to put any in as questions or not.. it's up to them... Don't shoot the messenger...167083[/snapback]I was kidding David Link to comment
Guest ShaQuaNew Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 These are VERY good points. The interview process is a subjective one, whereby the guy doing to interviewing is supposed to be comparing their observations against US immigration law and requirements. The requirements for K1 are about as straigtforward as you can get. Ain't much mistaking it. So, why are there so many rejections? Here's the bottom line... 1. People stupid and unable to follow directions2. Immigration officials are overworked and angry and sometimes reject someone because they will be late for lunch It appears that both of these situations occur with regularity. What's bothersome to those of us that do follow directions, is that sometimes we end up being interviewed by the visa officer that just interviewed 12 stupid people, from skammers, to fraud, to just plain stupid. So, now they get to us and they are impatient. Link to comment
david_dawei Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I am curious what the consulate has to say about the following situations in regards to a fraud profile, raising a red flag or an issue that might cause a VO to suspect something is not right: 1) For a K1 visa, if the couple frequently uses the terms "lao po" and "lao gong" (wife and husband) in email and correspondence ? 2) For a K1 visa, many couples have an 'unoffical' ceremony and pictures taken of this event.à® If these pictures were shown at the interview, would that be confusing to a VO (might think they got married) ? 3) The USC giving money to help support the beneficiary while they are waiting.à® The OF-171 states "Receipts for money orders the petitioner has sent you from United States" , but it is not clear if this can be used against the case since the motive for sending money is not asked for. 4) The lack of english by the beneficiary ? 5) The locale of the beneficiary ??It seems that more denials occur to beneficiaries from South China (where match making is possibly more popular). 6) The number of trips made by the petitioner to see the beneficiary is one of the most ask questions in interviews... but what weight does the petitioner being in China the day of the interview carry, if any ?167060[/snapback]David, if they told you their system then everyone would know and abuse the Visa Process. You of all people should know better than to ask a questions like that..167076[/snapback]These are typical issues discussed... I see no reason not to pull some together to ask. If the mods want to put any in as questions or not.. it's up to them... Don't shoot the messenger...167083[/snapback]I was kidding David 167137[/snapback]Just keep those guns in their holster ... Link to comment
Guest ShaQuaNew Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I think those are excellent questions. I would love to see the GUZ give his opinion.167088[/snapback]I'm guessing that GUZ will say they are fair each time, every time, and never waver from doing the right thing. Link to comment
david_dawei Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 The main reasons I feel these are valid to ask is because CFL is not a house of shammers... If GUZ wants to interact with our site in the hope of finding fraud [within our ranks].. there's going to be greatly disappointment. Those on the take, just don't come here, in my opinion. Which would make the "two-way fraud" not likely to be found here. Whether an SO or two is doing this on their own as in a "one-way fraud", that could occur. If GUZ wants to interact with our site to help themself (with information on fraulent relationships), then it behooves them to help us (understand how to avoid fraud profiles better). It's not so much helping those fly below the radar, but help those that fly above the radar to know if the runway is clear for takeoff and landing and what altitude to fly at so that we are clearly visible to the [GUZ] tower... Link to comment
Guest ShaQuaNew Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) Yup. But there is something I wonder about. There are some CFL members that post often. These are the ones that come here and read every day, ask questions, and contribute to threads. Then, there are a few that join here and rarely post. You will see some that go through the entire visa process while being a member here and have fewer than 50 posts. Okay, while some of these folks might just be very busy in their lives, I do wonder about if some of them are part of the skamming network...... Edited November 8, 2005 by ShaQuaNew (see edit history) Link to comment
dustyone Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 It may be that some people come here to get info for fly by night deals. But there are some people here also like myself that are just quiet people that do research and will ask a few questions. I am here often and have posted but I do not post everyday . Link to comment
Guest ShaQuaNew Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 It may be that some people come here to get info for fly by night deals. But there are some people here also like myself that are just quiet people that do research and will ask a few questions. I am here often and have posted but I do not post everyday .167170[/snapback]Indeed, some do, that's why I said... Okay, while some of these folks might just be very busy in their lives... Link to comment
mercator Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 It may be that some people come here to get info for fly by night deals. But there are some people here also like myself that are just quiet people that do research and will ask a few questions. I am here often and have posted but I do not post everyday .167170[/snapback]Then people like me that talk (write) too much. I've been told I like to hear myself talk. I never thought I like to see my self write as well. LOL (I do like to see the watermelon. Makes me hungry) Link to comment
warpedbored Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I think the vast majority of members come here to research visa info. Only a few are big mouths such as myselfhttp://missmessy.crmi.net/messystench/images/illustrate/cartoon/big/mouth.gif Link to comment
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