Birth Certificate Question - Is Certified/Translated Hukou Enough?

[Doug]

Alright I guess I see the problem. Her original is all she had or ever used in China for years, but it is from the city she lives in. Of course it gives the same info, but not from her birth province or city. Maybe that is why not good enough for GUZ..

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[NUWORLD]

 

OK, I think I promised to post the new birth cert she got. It is more simple than the first one we had a white book for. Here is the page from the white book of the latest birth certificate. I don't know what they were bugging us for, but it worked this time, as the visa was immediately issued when they got it.

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Doug, that looks identical to page 3 of my wife's own white book birth certificate, which she got in 2005, except that Jiaying's did not have ANY ID numbers on it.

 

Was any DNA testing or other proof required?

 

I'm going to guess that you were fine all along with the birth certificate, since it WAS only the Chinese girl who actually said anything, UNLESS what you had given them originally was NOT the standard white book format. Can you post a copy of what you had originally submitted so that we can see the difference?

 

Sorry to ask, but it seems this is worthwhile to try to cut through the speculation.

 

 

 

Yep, That is the same as to one i posted above and always worked.

The original one you submitted is something i have not seen before.

 

Great you got it all worked out!

[Randy W]

Alright I guess I see the problem. Her original is all she had or ever used in China for years, but it is from the city she lives in. Of course it gives the same info, but not from her birth province or city. Maybe that is why not good enough for GUZ..

http://i59.tinypic.com/70ge8j.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/mmu5qq.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ikfbe9.jpg

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Okay - I believe that's what it was. Thanks for sorting that out!

[Randy W]

So my take on this NOW is that, as far as the Consulate was concerned, you NEVER HAD submitted a birth certificate. They were simply notifying you to do so.

[Doug]

So my take on this NOW is that, as far as the Consulate was concerned, you NEVER HAD submitted a birth certificate. They were simply notifying you to do so.

Well, I never understood, because the police are mentioned, and so are her parents, establishing the relationship. Now days you do not have to go to your home town for a police report, so why a birth cert from your home town? This first Birth Certificate was legal in China and NEEDED to fulfill the documentation needed in games, as a coach.

 

No Randy we were never asked, nor did we consider, DNA testing.

[Randy W]

 

So my take on this NOW is that, as far as the Consulate was concerned, you NEVER HAD submitted a birth certificate. They were simply notifying you to do so.

Well, I never understood, because the police are mentioned, and so are her parents, establishing the relationship. Now days you do not have to go to your home town for a police report, so why a birth cert from your home town? This first Birth Certificate was legal in China and NEEDED to fulfill the documentation needed in games, as a coach.

 

No Randy we were never asked, nor did we consider, DNA testing.

 

 

 

Okay, I get it now, I believe! That "Permanent Resident Population sheet" is just NOT the right document. Others have tried digging through OLD documents, such as hospital receipts, etc., etc., etc., but the truth is that actual birth certificates (per International standards) were just not issued to those born before the 1990's.

 

We've said before, you need to go to the Gong Zheng Chu, and get a NEW GongZhengShu 公证书, based on the hukou, issued. Sounds like the Chinese girl steered you right, and that the "birth certificate" wasn't actually rejected - they were telling you that you just hadn't submitted one. Anyway, I'm VERY glad we sorted through all that - it'll probably help someone down the road sort through that confusion.

 

I don't think you have to go to your home town (in all cases) for this, as long as you have the needed hukou book(s) with you, although sometimes they will tell you to go there.

 

But they're basically based on the hukou(s) - NOT on some other documents that may have been issued

 

Edit: technically, I think ANY document issued by the Chinese notarial office in the white book format is referred to as a "Gong Zheng Shu" (or notarial document) - the problem was that it just wasn't a "Notarial Ceritifcate of Birth", which is what is required for an actual birth certificate.

Edited March 14, 2015 by Randy W (see edit history)

[Randy W]

The notation on Jiaying's notarial birth certificate is

 

出生公证书

 

or chu sheng gong zheng shu

 

I guess this is the thing to ask for at the Gong Zheng Chu.

[dnoblett]

 

 

出生公证书

 

or chu sheng gong zheng shu

 

Means Birth Certificate

[Randy W]

 

出生公证书

 

or chu sheng gong zheng shu

 

Means Birth Certificate

 

 

actually Notarial Certificate of Birth, per the accompanying English translation - the point is, make sure you get the correct document.

 

公证书 or gong zheng shu is simply Notarial Certificate - it can mean ANY document certified by the notarial office.