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[Randy W]

 

Also, interesting comment from USCONGUZ answer to Carl's question:

 

http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=164233

 

 

He basically said that the visa is approved or denied based on its own merits. She faces the Visa Officer one more time, but with a better chance of success because of the reaffirmation.

 

GUZ has no control over whether the petition would be revoked or reaffirmed - he commented on what they do IF they see it a second time.

 

In cbn's case, the visa was denied due a a "lack of a common language", even though she was an English teacher in China. It seems the re-affirmations occur in some cases with very basic reasons for denial, which are easy to refute. "Not a valid relationship" doesn't fit that category.

 

I don't mean to discourage him - my advice would be to simply watch his mailbox for anything from the USCIS, and see what it says. In the meantime, prepare another petition (get married? (if K1))

Edited October 19, 2008 by Randy W (see edit history)

[chilton747]

 

Also, interesting comment from USCONGUZ answer to Carl's question:

 

http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=164233

 

 

He basically said that the visa is approved or denied based on its own merits. She faces the Visa Officer one more time, but with a better chance of success because of the reaffirmation.

 

GUZ has no control over whether the petition would be revoked or reaffirmed - he commented on what they do IF they see it a second time.

 

In cbn's case, the visa was denied due a a "lack of a common language", even though she was an English teacher in China. It seems the re-affirmations occur in some cases with very basic reasons for denial, which are easy to refute. "Not a valid relationship" doesn't fit that category.

 

I don't mean to discourage him - my advice would be to simply watch his mailbox for anything from the USCIS, and see what it says. In the meantime, prepare another petition (get married? (if K1))

 

 

Absolutely Randy..... in cbn's case and other denials as well, I feel that GZ wants to see if the couple will go the extra mile and not split up. You can bet that cbn's white slip said "non bona fide relationship" and the false language accusations were a part of this.

The reason we got married is because that is what were intending to do in the first place. We were true to our cause but could not convince GZ of that at the time of the K1 interview and/or our submission of evidence.

[david_dawei]

I could quote the definition of paranoia.. but let's stick with delusions of granduer... what you frantically seeking to prepare for wouldn't happen for quite a long time.... and by most bets, will never happen.

 

What I'm saying is... and is my guess... is that you'll never find out what the white was *really* issued for... and USCIS will let it expire under their watch so they don't, in the end, have to rule on it... ergo, your preparing for something in an urgent way that may never come to pass...

 

Your much better off thinking about Plan "B"...

[Randy W]

Absolutely Randy..... in cbn's case and other denials as well, I feel that GZ wants to see if the couple will go the extra mile and not split up. You can bet that cbn's white slip said "non bona fide relationship" and the false language accusations were a part of this.

The reason we got married is because that is what were intending to do in the first place. We were true to our cause but could not convince GZ of that at the time of the K1 interview and/or our submission of evidence.

 

A denial is a denial, not a failed test, or a failed pop quiz with a chance to make it up by going to USCIS summer school.

 

Keep your eye on the mailbox for any developments there, but be ready to move on down the road - Plan B.

[david_dawei]

You can bet that cbn's white slip said "non bona fide relationship" and the false language accusations were a part of this.

So.... GUZ can never be correct in their findings?

[Guest ShaQuaNew]

You can bet that cbn's white slip said "non bona fide relationship" and the false language accusations were a part of this.

So.... GUZ can never be correct in their findings?

 

In defense of the VOs, it's a very important an tough job they have to do in sorting out the bona fides from the scammers. Of course there have been instances where legit couples have been denied by an over-zealous VO. That is why you'll find a history of hundreds of members here that have gone above and beyond in presenting evidence at the time of the interview. These include, but are not limited to:

 

1. Phone records

2. Email exchanges

3. Photos

4. Receipts of places visited together to corroborate photos

 

If your relationship is bona fide, then you have encountered a snag that will delay your process of being together. It's not a knockout blow however. Hang in there, collect your records if you have them, and get organized.

[chilton747]

You can bet that cbn's white slip said "non bona fide relationship" and the false language accusations were a part of this.

So.... GUZ can never be correct in their findings?

Who said never?

[david_dawei]

yes... lest we forget, it's not necessarily construed as a "scam" on the USC but as one on the government; someone simply seeking to gain immigration benefits which are not considered a valid reason.

 

The truth be told... many only want those benefits for a few years and then want to head back to china anyways!

 

We often seem to get our whitey tighties in a knot saying that GUZ thinks we're not a real relationship [when a white slip is given]... and that's not what they are saying sometimes... so you can collect all the relationship info you want, but doesn't necessarily address what they are really saying.

 

There is a motive part which is awfully hard to judge... reminds me of soccer where the ref is following "laws of the game" based often on what they think the 'intent' of the player is... that's simply called, judge it for yourself on some level...

[tsap seui]

I studied Candle extensively in the FAC section and interview report section as I put together our kitchen sink, which included all of the blue slip evidence I had seen asked for.

 

I have no doubt we were caught up in some sort of "speculation and conjecture" as to some sort of scam...all in their heads.

 

Okay, so they speculated and conjectured we were scammers of some sort....why not give us the chance to overcome their speculation? What is the big secret? Why is it hidden in the words..."did not prove a bona fide relationship at the interview? Why are many of us deemed fradulent, and never asked for any supporting evidence to prove ourselves innocent?

 

Oh wait....SILLY ME...we ARE given the chance to prove our innocence....

 

Just wait a couple of years and MAYBE you'll get a letter from the USCIS. Then you can contest the DOS's findings, get your case sent back to GUZ, and see what they pull out of their hat trick that time. Or you can get married and file a new application....or you can move to China and who knows...file a DCF from there.

 

Yes, boys n' girls...you do get to prove your innocence, it's just a 2-3 year waiting line you must stick your butt into. Then you get to prove your innocence. SIMPLE Wake up each morning and say hello to the USCIS and DOS as they lay there beside you, while you wait.

 

 

It simply is, what it is.

 

Good luck to you Splinterman. The last thing one of my congressional liasons said to me was, "Vermont tries to allow you a chance to make a rebuttal in your case. The denials returned to the service centers are at the very bottom of their priority...but Vermont at least tries to give you a chance...in 12-18 months."

 

WHOOOPIE, I say we all jump and down and do the WAVE. Maybe we can form a line dance...later we can sit around the campfire and sing campfire songs about how long the Camptown race is.

 

Keep up your quest Splinterman, it'll take a while but you will be successful.

 

tsap seui

[splinterman]

Wow, I had no idea that a simple request for a computer-related problem would stir the pot like this, LOL! Obviously, it stirred a lot of passions also.

 

The problem I'm trying to solve, with the call records copies, are not eggs going into just one basket, but two. Yes, I'll need them if I have a chance to refute what GUZ says about the K-1 I have going. But, I do have a Plan B and they will also be needed for that one, too. One thing I feel my lawyer did not do a good job of stressing to me is front loading the petition with as much evidence as possible. I won't make that mistake again. Learning as you go, right?

 

The reason I THOUGHT I might get a decent chance to fight this white is that the file is on it's way back to the States less than 2 months after it was denied. I thought that was a good sign compared to what has happened with others here, so I was preparing for what might come next with the K-1. But everything I am doing to fight that denial will also be needed for the front load of the next go 'round.

 

Like most everyone else, I had no idea what I was getting into when I applied for the K-1. I thought that I was doing a smart thing by hiring a lawyer from the beginning and I thought that would be sufficient to give me a great chance in having my SO secure a visa. I found out about this website 2 months after I filed and then started to have my eyes opened when I read some of the posts. Then, those eyes got blackened when my SO went to her interview in GUZ and she landed the 221g white.

 

Nobody here ever gave up their own fight despite the downturns and the setbacks, and neither am I. I'm a little more 'educated' now and I've had to develop a Plan B. Some of you tenured members have been GREAT-Chilton among them, who has been motre than kind in letting me pick his brain, while he is also preparing for his next Big Day, so I'm thankful for his kindness and that of others.

 

But some of you have also been what I feel as a bit 'less than supportive' in the way of your recent posts to my situation. For that to come from a support network is just not cool. We're all adults here and we don't need to sugarcoat things, but there's also no need to be 'heavyhanded' and verbally club or challenge someone who is just trying to deal with the hand that has been dealt to him, as the rest of you are doing also.

 

The common trait that those who are eventually successful in their endeavors have, is persistence. I'm going to see this thing through if it takes me one year going the K-1 route, or three like some of you here. Or if I have to shift gears and go with Plan B and try that approach, that's what I'll do. Whatever it takes for me to get what I am looking to have-a life with my amazing lady-that's what I'll do. She's counting on me, and I'm not about to let her down either.

 

So for all of you who have been supportive and have taken the time to answer all of us 'rookies' questions and give us the help we're asking for, thanks! But everyone, please remember that we have enough of a fight with GUZ so when you answer or comment to someone's post, think how those comments can be helpful or might be negative. If any of us had all the answers we wouldn't be here, would we? We'd be working for GUZ, LOL!

 

Thanks!