Should I mail USCIS x-wife info

[chilton747]

In view of all the garbage posts lately, how about a real question?

 

I read here and on vj that if your divorced these days, you will be asked for x-spouse address, ss# and phone #.

 

Both me and my wife were previously married, and my divorce was within 2 months of my marriage to my current wife.

 

So, it seems I should prepare for this question.

Should I send the information to USCIS (I have already filed so it would be add-on) or just get it available for the kitchen sink at the interview.

 

If they want to check out our x-spouses, it seems that providing it at the interview would still result in a delay while they checked the information.

 

If I provide it to USCIS, then it seems Guz would not have grounds to re-investigate?

 

What is your opinion and if I should mail it in, what should it contain?

 

Damn, I sure hope they don't want that info from me. I have no idea where that B**ch is or what her SS# may be. How does one find out that kind of inforrmation about an ex anyway?

 

This should answer your questions....

http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24285

[lostinblue]

In view of all the garbage posts lately, how about a real question?

 

I read here and on vj that if your divorced these days, you will be asked for x-spouse address, ss# and phone #.

 

Both me and my wife were previously married, and my divorce was within 2 months of my marriage to my current wife.

 

So, it seems I should prepare for this question.

Should I send the information to USCIS (I have already filed so it would be add-on) or just get it available for the kitchen sink at the interview.

 

If they want to check out our x-spouses, it seems that providing it at the interview would still result in a delay while they checked the information.

 

If I provide it to USCIS, then it seems Guz would not have grounds to re-investigate?

 

What is your opinion and if I should mail it in, what should it contain?

 

Damn, I sure hope they don't want that info from me. I have no idea where that B**ch is or what her SS# may be. How does one find out that kind of inforrmation about an ex anyway?

As I run a small business I looked up a 10 year old tax return I had filed away. Maybe some one else can offer other suggestions as topic was discussed before . As stated before it is sometimes hard to mail in things and get the file and letter together. WHY it cannot happen who knows. Maybe they would be swamped and big headache running the office. At GUZ you can mail in your tax information rather than SO bring with them so maybe include it that way SS# ect in a letter about ex. This could bring up question , Why are you not open with your SO about your past earning ability. So she should have copies also at interview. A question about what you make is often asked by VO.

[credzba]

Damn, I sure hope they don't want that info from me. I have no idea where that B**ch is or what her SS# may be. How does one find out that kind of inforrmation about an ex anyway?

 

It is easy to get the ss#. It should be in your divorce decree that you had to file with your petition. Also as someone else stated find an old tax return. If you don't have the returns, request a transcript from IRS for a year you were married. It will have your and your x's ss# on it.

 

If you have no idea where she lives, then that is the answer you must give. In my case, I know her address because I pay support payments.

[SinoTexas]

I would only add that they usually will NOT look at the material on hand.. the issue is, you have no idea if they even ask for anything or not.

 

The blue slip is simply something to give them time to review something they have not previously reviewed...

All of which, IMHO leads me to believe that the fate of the interviewee(s) has already been decided before the interview. I have said it before and I will say it again, that I think the interview is just a formality and perhaps a chance to ask a few questions to see if they are consistent with what was submitted previously. The interview process is so arbitrary in it's consistency, that IMHO, it probably does not sway the predetermined outcome. The kitchen sink is nice to have, just in case something is asked for. But in my two years on this site, it seems that when something is asked for, it is only one or two items. Whether the VO looking at them made a difference, who knows. Good luck with the process.

 

As aye,

 

Jim

[credzba]

Better to have it and not need it. I am certain that there must be times that they do ask for it. Let me ask this......What does it hurt to send the info to your wife anyway?

 

No problem sending everything to my wife. I know her though, she is a minimalist.

I can send her everything, but she will just consider it a headache ... until its needed, then she will praise her smart husband

 

The fact is, I try to make sense of the things that are required, and in some cases I just don't think there is any sense to be had.

 

[rant]

It seems to me that if the abjugation (however it is spelled) is done here in the USA, and they approve me, then GUZ should not LOOK for reasons to reject my petition.

 

If the USA WANTS to find my x-wife, I am quite certain they can, and they have the rfe process available to get anything they want.

 

I am going through the I-130 process, so nearly everything is done here in the US. The ONLY reason (it seems to me) that GUZ should intervene is if there was clear evidence my marriage was a fraud. I don't mean go out and dig through the trash, but if my wife came in and didn't know my childrens names or anything about me, THEN I think GUZ would have reason to issue a blue slip.

 

I just think it is insulting to the US agents for GUZ to second guess them, and in fact is written explicitly in their procedures that the foreign office should NOT re-abjugate the petition.

 

If the US office thought they needed my x-s information, or phone logs, or whatever, then it should be requested in an rfe. Everything should be up front and official, not wait until the interview and ask for more documents!

 

[/rant]

 

So, calm now, I will give them anything they ask for, and I will do my best to prepare all the documents in China with my wife.

[Guest Rob & Jin]

Better to have it and not need it. I am certain that there must be times that they do ask for it. Let me ask this......What does it hurt to send the info to your wife anyway?

 

No problem sending everything to my wife. I know her though, she is a minimalist.

I can send her everything, but she will just consider it a headache ... until its needed, then she will praise her smart husband

 

The fact is, I try to make sense of the things that are required, and in some cases I just don't think there is any sense to be had.

 

[rant]

It seems to me that if the abjugation (however it is spelled) is done here in the USA, and they approve me, then GUZ should not LOOK for reasons to reject my petition.

 

If the USA WANTS to find my x-wife, I am quite certain they can, and they have the rfe process available to get anything they want.

 

I am going through the I-130 process, so nearly everything is done here in the US. The ONLY reason (it seems to me) that GUZ should intervene is if there was clear evidence my marriage was a fraud. I don't mean go out and dig through the trash, but if my wife came in and didn't know my childrens names or anything about me, THEN I think GUZ would have reason to issue a blue slip.

 

I just think it is insulting to the US agents for GUZ to second guess them, and in fact is written explicitly in their procedures that the foreign office should NOT re-abjugate the petition.

 

If the US office thought they needed my x-s information, or phone logs, or whatever, then it should be requested in an rfe. Everything should be up front and official, not wait until the interview and ask for more documents!

 

[/rant]

 

So, calm now, I will give them anything they ask for, and I will do my best to prepare all the documents in China with my wife.

 

I agree if they want this info (or any info) why wait for the interview and give you a blue slip, and crazy they wont accept documents at the interview.But its their system, we are just the custumers, haha

[chilton747]

Better to have it and not need it. I am certain that there must be times that they do ask for it. Let me ask this......What does it hurt to send the info to your wife anyway?

 

No problem sending everything to my wife. I know her though, she is a minimalist.

I can send her everything, but she will just consider it a headache ... until its needed, then she will praise her smart husband

 

The fact is, I try to make sense of the things that are required, and in some cases I just don't think there is any sense to be had.

 

[rant]

It seems to me that if the abjugation (however it is spelled) is done here in the USA, and they approve me, then GUZ should not LOOK for reasons to reject my petition.

 

If the USA WANTS to find my x-wife, I am quite certain they can, and they have the rfe process available to get anything they want.

 

I am going through the I-130 process, so nearly everything is done here in the US. The ONLY reason (it seems to me) that GUZ should intervene is if there was clear evidence my marriage was a fraud. I don't mean go out and dig through the trash, but if my wife came in and didn't know my childrens names or anything about me, THEN I think GUZ would have reason to issue a blue slip.

 

I just think it is insulting to the US agents for GUZ to second guess them, and in fact is written explicitly in their procedures that the foreign office should NOT re-abjugate the petition.

 

If the US office thought they needed my x-s information, or phone logs, or whatever, then it should be requested in an rfe. Everything should be up front and official, not wait until the interview and ask for more documents!

 

[/rant]

 

So, calm now, I will give them anything they ask for, and I will do my best to prepare all the documents in China with my wife.

 

I agree totally with you. But the fact remains that GZ can do what they wish based on any gut feeling they may have. I know, this happened to me a year ago. But that was for a K1 and now I am doing the CR1 just as you are. I think that marriage to a Chinese woman just shortly after a divorce is a red flag issue. It should be addressed up front in the petition to the USCIS. And yes I agree that once this issue clears the USCIS then GZ should not issue a blue slip based on the same issue. But unfortunately it probaboy does happen.

[Guest Rob & Jin]

Better to have it and not need it. I am certain that there must be times that they do ask for it. Let me ask this......What does it hurt to send the info to your wife anyway?

 

No problem sending everything to my wife. I know her though, she is a minimalist.

I can send her everything, but she will just consider it a headache ... until its needed, then she will praise her smart husband

 

The fact is, I try to make sense of the things that are required, and in some cases I just don't think there is any sense to be had.

 

[rant]

It seems to me that if the abjugation (however it is spelled) is done here in the USA, and they approve me, then GUZ should not LOOK for reasons to reject my petition.

 

If the USA WANTS to find my x-wife, I am quite certain they can, and they have the rfe process available to get anything they want.

 

I am going through the I-130 process, so nearly everything is done here in the US. The ONLY reason (it seems to me) that GUZ should intervene is if there was clear evidence my marriage was a fraud. I don't mean go out and dig through the trash, but if my wife came in and didn't know my childrens names or anything about me, THEN I think GUZ would have reason to issue a blue slip.

 

I just think it is insulting to the US agents for GUZ to second guess them, and in fact is written explicitly in their procedures that the foreign office should NOT re-abjugate the petition.

 

If the US office thought they needed my x-s information, or phone logs, or whatever, then it should be requested in an rfe. Everything should be up front and official, not wait until the interview and ask for more documents!

 

[/rant]

 

So, calm now, I will give them anything they ask for, and I will do my best to prepare all the documents in China with my wife.

 

I agree totally with you. But the fact remains that GZ can do what they wish based on any gut feeling they may have. I know, this happened to me a year ago. But that was for a K1 and now I am doing the CR1 just as you are. I think that marriage to a Chinese woman just shortly after a divorce is a red flag issue. It should be addressed up front in the petition to the USCIS. And yes I agree that once this issue clears the USCIS then GZ should not issue a blue slip based on the same issue. But unfortunately it probaboy does happen.

 

So it would seem

[I love Sunshine]

If the USA WANTS to find my x-wife, I am quite certain they can, and they have the rfe process available to get anything they want.

 

If the US office thought they needed my x-s information, or phone logs, or whatever, then it should be requested in an rfe. Everything should be up front and official, not wait until the interview and ask for more documents!

 

So, calm now, I will give them anything they ask for, and I will do my best to prepare all the documents in China with my wife.

 

I understand your frustration; however, it seems that GUZ doesn't want the burden of tracking down all our exes, they would rather put that burden on us.

 

They probably have their best fraud detection experts in GUZ (and maybe in Russia too) and they most likely found some sort of emerging trend that needed additional information. Since the additional scrutiny about exes seems to be fairly recent (within the past year, mainly), it is not easy to know in what conditions it is required and in what conditions it is not. This is what GUZ prefers for obvious reasons.

 

I would suspect that situations where there were a number of previous marriages, the previous marriages were short in duration, finished fairly close to the filing of the I-129F/I-130 petition, or perhaps to other non-citizens (in other words, to those people who could possibly be most like our current SOs) would be the ones they would focus on most. However, looking through other reports, there may be a number of other factors that would trigger this information as well.

 

On the original I-129F it requests the A number of any previous beneficiaries. I didn't know my ex's A number (she was a K-1, but refused to provide it after our divorce), so on my original I-129F petition I put "see attached" and gave them as much other information as I could, including SS# on a separate sheet of paper. I did not get an RFE.

 

ILS

Edited August 30, 2007 by I love Sunshine (see edit history)

[rogerinca]

All of which, IMHO leads me to believe that the fate of the interviewee(s) has already been decided before the interview. I have said it before and I will say it again, that I think the interview is just a formality and perhaps a chance to ask a few questions to see if they are consistent with what was submitted previously. The interview process is so arbitrary in it's consistency, that IMHO, it probably does not sway the predetermined outcome. The kitchen sink is nice to have, just in case something is asked for. But in my two years on this site, it seems that when something is asked for, it is only one or two items. Whether the VO looking at them made a difference, who knows. Good luck with the process.

 

As aye,

 

Jim

 

 

Jim, as you and I have discussed before, I am absolutely on the same page of music as you, in this regard.

 

I did, however, supply the info as an attachment, to both my I-130 and I-129f, case files. My ex wife was not a foreign national and no previous files with USCIS, so my feeling is, it was just a formality and another ¡¯box¡¯ checked on my part. Because of the children, I still maintain a reasonable relationship with my ex.

[Guest Rob & Jin]

All of which, IMHO leads me to believe that the fate of the interviewee(s) has already been decided before the interview. I have said it before and I will say it again, that I think the interview is just a formality and perhaps a chance to ask a few questions to see if they are consistent with what was submitted previously. The interview process is so arbitrary in it's consistency, that IMHO, it probably does not sway the predetermined outcome. The kitchen sink is nice to have, just in case something is asked for. But in my two years on this site, it seems that when something is asked for, it is only one or two items. Whether the VO looking at them made a difference, who knows. Good luck with the process.

 

As aye,

 

Jim

 

 

Jim, as you and I have discussed before, I am absolutely on the same page of music as you, in this regard.

 

I did, however, supply the info as an attachment, to both my I-130 and I-129f, case files. My ex wife was not a foreign national and no previous files with USCIS, so my feeling is, it was just a formality and another ¡¯box¡¯ checked on my part. Because of the children, I still maintain a reasonable relationship with my ex.

 

 

My Fist wife/ marriage was in the UK, ended 20 years ago , got the divorce decree , but thats it on her, dont even know if she is alive. Second divorce was in the usa have all the stuff needed on her, Jin can present at the interview if they want it i guess.

[david_dawei]

To put the "Kitchen Sink" in some perspective.. it is NOT meant for only the interview, as randy pointed out.. it's so nothing has to be sent to the SO, including for the overcome.

 

This was much more important over a year ago, before they changed the overcome process.. In the past, you could do overcome the next day, if you were truly prepared. That's not possible right now, so the original utility of the "Kitchen Sink" is washed a little down the drain...

[chilton747]

To put the "Kitchen Sink" in some perspective.. it is NOT meant for only the interview, as randy pointed out.. it's so nothing has to be sent to the SO, including for the overcome.

 

This was much more important over a year ago, before they changed the overcome process.. In the past, you could do overcome the next day, if you were truly prepared. That's not possible right now, so the original utility of the "Kitchen Sink" is washed a little down the drain...

 

Ya think that USCONGUZ saw your kitchen sink list and decided to make another one of their strategic moves?

[Guest Rob & Jin]

To put the "Kitchen Sink" in some perspective.. it is NOT meant for only the interview, as randy pointed out.. it's so nothing has to be sent to the SO, including for the overcome.

 

This was much more important over a year ago, before they changed the overcome process.. In the past, you could do overcome the next day, if you were truly prepared. That's not possible right now, so the original utility of the "Kitchen Sink" is washed a little down the drain...

 

still a little confused on this, so do you think i should send ex wife/ divorce info as an attachment with p3 stuff, so they already have it. or just have it ready for possible overcome, as they wont accept the infomation at the interview, or will they?

[david_dawei]

To put the "Kitchen Sink" in some perspective.. it is NOT meant for only the interview, as randy pointed out.. it's so nothing has to be sent to the SO, including for the overcome.

 

This was much more important over a year ago, before they changed the overcome process.. In the past, you could do overcome the next day, if you were truly prepared. That's not possible right now, so the original utility of the "Kitchen Sink" is washed a little down the drain...

 

still a little confused on this, so do you think i should send ex wife/ divorce info as an attachment with p3 stuff, so they already have it. or just have it ready for possible overcome, as they wont accept the infomation at the interview, or will they?

My personal opinion is, if it was not sent in as part of the original petition for USCIS to see and approve, I would not give it to DOS at any step until they actually ask for it... Since it's on one of their documents as needed, it should definitely be on hand at the interview.

 

Of course, cases different and this is a general comment.