[Rumor Control: "New" US Citizens to lose local China ID cards.]

 

11. No chance for dual citizenship at all. The instant you leave China on a US green card you are flagged in the system now. Upon return you will be required to cancel hukou before you are allowed to leave.

Not exactly correct, a green-card holder is still a Chinese Citizen, only one with residency in the USA, they would not require canceling hukou if still a chinese Citizen. Only after naturalizing and becoming a US Citizen would they do so.

 

Once my wife naturalized, she was required to send her Chinese Passport in with her American Passport when she applied for her first visit visa to China, at that point the canceled her Chinese Passport and probably canceled her hukou too.

 

Yes, a green card holder is still a chinese citizen. Hukou is required by law to be cancelled within 30 days of acquiring another citizenship or permanent residence elsewhere. Hukou is not citizenship, hukou is residence. Pensions and benefits are based on residency, not on citizenship. A green card is seen the same as 迁户口. Upon renewing a passport, one must provide some sort of evidence that they have no naturalized elsewhere. You can enter China on a passport that has a green card sticker in it, but in order to leave again you will be required to present evidence of cancelling the hukou or giving up the green card. Ways around it, sure, but that's the law.

 

Cancelling a hukou is not a permanent thing, and can be restored.

[Rumor Control: "New" US Citizens to lose local China ID cards.]

Just a few points:

 

1. U.S. government is mute on dual citizenship, at best it does not encourage it.

2. PRC actively revokes PRC citizenship if their former citizens become naturalized foreign citizens

3. The moment an oath is made, the PRC citizenship is revoked by PRC definition

4. The mass corruptions that are on newspaper these days. Most officials/criminals have overseas ties or citizenship

5. If PRC government can really effectively compare notes with other foreign countries on the naturalized Chinese nationals, you wouldn't think they already done it quietly? and why would US government wants to share that info?

6. Now if you need a new Chinese visa for the first time, the requirement is to submit your old PRC passport so they can cancel it because of #3 above.

7. The Gong An (DPS) and Foreign Affairs appear to not share their database as of now. Unless you get caught by DPS, you don't need to cancel your ID which is a separate system from passport (so far). There used to be a requirement to cancel your ID before you can be granted permission to leave the country; that was relaxed in 2005.

8. That's why the DPS is running a campaign asking people to report to authority any dual citizenship violators

9. With the 10-year visa PRC issues now. the entering/exit through a third country/territory is really unnecessary and expensive.

10. Unless you are so stupid to let DPS learn that you are a foreign country citizen which I understand is a national bragging right, you get to keep your ID until such time that either the PRC government get the political will to merge their systems or someone turns you in.

11. No one knows if or when China will adopt a dual citizenship policy because the mass exodus of brain power and capitals or to tighten its enforcement by systematically looking through the passport holders' exit/enter records. So the moral is that you lost your Chinese citizenship when you acquire another country's citizenship. The nation Huko and ID are the blindspots . IF you keep your citizenship situation close to you chest, you get to keep huko and ID Don't try to use an invalid green card or a Chinese passport, the consequence is far more severe than dancing around the grey area of ID issue.

 

 

1. The US is not mute on dual citizenship. It simply does not recognize it and for any position that requires a security clearance, you must renounce the foreign citizenship. Entering on a second passport won't afford you any benefits, no real penalties or fines, but you will not be given consular rights.

2. YEP.

3. YEP

4. No, most of them are just enemies of Xi, this is not a corruption purge, it's a political purge

5. They can't do shit, but they definitely gather info from the airlines and they are now scanning passports and retaining data and stamps

6. YEP

7. They are most certainly requiring hukous to be nuked before you are allowed to leave the country.

8. This is more about encouraging spying and ratting each other out

9. There are reasons this is done, it becomes MUCH harder if you are not living in China though.

10. Oh, the system most certainly can check and verify that information. The IDs have RFID in them and are being scanned to bring up centralized records. Anything that requires it will soon be locked out... banking, hotels, city services, etc.

11. No chance for dual citizenship at all. The instant you leave China on a US green card you are flagged in the system now. Upon return you will be required to cancel hukou before you are allowed to leave.

[US Citizenship - Chinese Pension]

It's not nearly as rosy as you think it is. This applies to retirees who have already started to get their retirement pensions. For those who have not yet started it's really entirely up to the city that holds the hukou

[Is US Citizenship worth it?]

There's a lot of misinformation here.

 

There are multiple policies in place and it relies entirely on the city as to what happens.

 

There are 2 parts to the pension fund. The Company and the Personal contributions. ALL gains and interest are allocated to the company portion. The personal contribution is only what you personally put in and nothing else. Once you hit retirement, they draw first from the personal contribution. For most, this is pretty much nothing. Once exhausted, they move to the company portion for drawdown. Survivor benefits are based solely on the PERSONAL contribution balance. In otherwords, the large balance you see in the account is a lie. That money will never all come out.

 

Here's where the problems lie. If you are already retired and drawing on it, and then give up citizenship.. no problem, you can keep taking it. But for many, if you have a foreign citizenship or even a green card already... they will cash you out on the personal and that's it. Nothing more.

 

Furthermore, the "15 years" for vesting can be modified at any time. There is no grandfathering of laws in China. It's all just policy from on high. If it's a meager sum, then sure, roll the dice on it I guess, nothing to lose. But for those with good years of work left, cash it out asap and dump it into an IRA/401k or other retirement account. Medical care in China is horrid and pointless. The pensions are also rather meager.

 

The pensions are also rife with fraud, already at a negative balance in most areas, vastly underfunded... it's only a matter of time before they "reform" the system and that assumes that the asshats in beijing will remain in power. Once they go, it's all gone anyways.