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China recently overhauled its immigration law, which was put into practice commencing September 1, 2013. Examples include the introduction of a new visa classification called Q2, which is issued to foreigners being invited by Chinese citizens residing in China for a duration of no more than 180 days. The Q2 is valid for 24 months. Visas are also waived now for foreigners in transit to another destination through Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, or Chengdu; such persons are allowed to stay in China for up to 72 hours.
In light of the recent changes, this pinned topic, having been started in Aug 2010, may gradually become obsolete.
There are various websites explaining the changes, although the best one is probably: http://lawandborder.com/faq-new-china-visa-law/
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Sorry, dnoblett. I should have mentioned that they most likely have no problem marrying in China first ("registering") if that would make the situation easier.
Regardless of whether there are future benefits from the marriage taking place, they want to have a wedding ceremony and be legally wed in the U.S. - again, being married in China first is not an issue.
Because their intent to immigrate is, at best, "sometime, possibly, at an unknown future date," I guess there are several possibilities:
1) They file for a K-1 visa, get it, somehow plan a wedding to coincide with the 90-day window of opportunity that a K-1 visa allows, then probably have to return to China before AP can be applied for. He is working in China and I doubt she has several months to sit around the U.S. to wait for an AP document. I am guessing that by doing this she will give up her "right" to file AOS. So, basically they spend a whole lot of money on a K-1 visa just to have a wedding in the U.S., and to be legally married there, but without receiving any other benefit for the future. Actually, I do not know whether doing this would be a detriment to her future immigration, a benefit, or have no effect whatsoever.
2) The figure out something better. Any other kind of visa that allows them to get married in the U.S. and make their life easier in the future should something happen. (e.g. His job takes him back to the U.S. with little warning and, as his wife, she naturally wants to come with him without waiting .5-1.5 years, or she wants to travel with him back home on his vacations, etc. - I am just speculating and the reasons are obvious why someone married to a citizen of another country would want the ability to move back and forth painlessly, unfortunately this isn't how BORDERS work...heh)
I know this sounds ridiculous because they are trying to get an immigration visa for her without an intent to immediately immigrate. But the point is that they want to get married in the U.S. with his family and friends there, and they might as well make that process as efficient as possible with consideration of their future. They also do not want to do something that harms her chances of immigrating to the U.S. at a later date, which I suspect doing something like getting married on a tourist visa might do. Let's just assume they are from a place that does NOT require a SS# to get married.
I guess the bottom line is that for whatever reason they WANT to have the wedding in the U.S. and be legally married there but continue living in China. At WORST, they spend a lot of money just to accomplish this and then if and when they decide to move to the U.S., they go through the whole headache again by filing whatever kind of spousal visa is appropriate. At BEST, they figure out a way to get married in the U.S. while making her future immigration to the U.S. easier.
Having filed a K-1 visa myself, they asked me for help with their situation and I'm simply trying to help. If I can't help, I will recommend them to ask a lawyer. But they are also a little bit worried of a lawyer (either in China or from the U.S.) taking advantage of their "unique" situation and not having their best interest in mind.
Any more ideas...?
I would advise they go to Hong Kong to get married. That's what we did. At the least the marriage certificate will be in both English / Chinese. BTW the US recognizes HK marriage certificates.
Besides, flying to Hong Kong is cheaper than to the US. His fiance/soon-to-be-wife would also have a very easy time getting a tourist visa to Hong Kong. He would have absolutely no problem going to Hong Kong because he would be granted a tourist visa upon arrival. Getting a visa to come to the US is much harder, as mentioned by others.
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My 26 year old unmarried Chinese stepdaughter is a graduate student in England (see related post by me) and wanted to visit us for the holidays. Her tourist Visa was denied due to lack of "strong ties". A suggestions was made that she might return to China and apply (she owns a home and has some modest cash & investments there). Does anyone know of ANY young (under 40 years old) unmarried Chinese woman being approved for a tourist VISA. If so, can you share the circumstances? Or is this just something less common than watching a UFO hovering over a Yet?.
Thanks for any info
True Blue
Before we were married, my wife was going to college in Japan.
It would be possible if she applies at the US Embassy/Consulate in England. An unexpired UK permanent residence card would demonstrate she has "strong ties" to return to ENGLAND (not China) to finish her studies, etc.
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We used United Family Hospital while we were in Guangzhou. My wife arrived in the US yesterday and had no problems at the airport.
However she carried a large white envelope (bigger than 8.5 x 11") from United Family Hospital. It also sealed and says DO NOT OPEN on it. What is this? She tells me she's not sure. Is it just an extra copy of her health checkup at United?
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I spoke with a travel agent recently. Normally summer prices would not be this high. But this year, we suspect it's really high because of 3 reasons: A) airlines lost big money with the volcanic eruption in Europe when they were grounded for days so now they need to charge more to "recoup“ those losses; B ) high demand for tickets to anywhere in China due to Shanghai Expo; C) price of oil has been going up steadily.
As for buying tickets from China, it IS cheaper. However you can only buy tickets from elong.com or qunar.com for flights departing from China. If you're leaving from the US, you have to use travelocity or orbitz or kayak.com.
P.S. I'm leaving end of May (one round-trip Economy ticket) to pick-up my spouse (a one-way Economy ticket). We're dropping a total of $3K when under ”normal“ circumstances it would be maybe $2K.
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We sent in paperwork for blue slip as well. Fedex said our package was received early on a Monday morning (beginning of the week). The Consulate officers approved our paperwork that Friday (same week). However, they did not mail the call-in letter until the following Friday (next week). In other words, that puts Consulate processing time around 2 weeks. It's probably because the Consulate has a staffing shortage of locally-employed staff (LES) who normally do mailings.
It takes the Consulate something like 5 business days to reply to email.
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How soon can a CR1 applicant leave the US after getting to the US / getting the green card? We're thinking about a 5 day cruise into the Caribbean, which would technically mean we're leaving the US. Will there be any difficulty when we try to "re-enter?"
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I believe the Yang's will do the physical drop-off for a fee, but you should call & double-check.
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See if they can get a simple IRS transcript, they are free. IRS will mail them, takes up to 10 days, or can FAX them within an hour of request.We found a joint sponsor. Our joint sponsor says her latest tax returns were 40-50 pages. Would it be OK if we only sent the Form 1040 (2 pages) and W-2? I believe it's basically all the schedules that are creating weight.
Also, the blue slip asked for 2006-2008 tax returns. In theory we can get away with only the latest tax return, right? If we follow their directions word-for-word, the joint sponsor will be mailing roughly 150 pages to China (3 years x 50 pages per tax return = 150 pages).
If we request a tax transcript from IRS, would it be a lot of pages too? I would prefer not going this route because tax transcripts take up to 2 weeks, especially now (end of March) that the IRS is in busy-mode. So I am looking for legitimate ways to get our package to Guangzhou as fast and as conveniently as possible.
http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc156.html?portlet=1You can obtain a free transcript by calling 800-829-1040 and following the prompts in the recorded message or by completing and mailing a request for a transcript to the address listed in the instructions.Dan,
I have already contacted the IRS. They were very nice to fax it to us - immediately. The transcripts took 10 calendar days to receive in the mail. I'm already over this stage.
Could you take a look at my most recent post (above yours)? Any advice?
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I mailed in paperwork for overcoming the blue slip (needed a joint sponsor) last week. I believe FedEx should take 4 days. What happens now? It will take approximately 2 weeks (supposedly) for the Consulate in Guangzhou to review our file. When they are done, the Consulate will mail a letter to my wife.
What will the letter say? Will it be an appointment letter like the one we had for the interview? (We were told that we ¡°passed¡± the interview and only needed a joint sponsor so there is no need for a re-interview.) My primary question is: will my wife be able to fly to Guangzhou at any time she chooses? Or do we have to go at a time designated by the Consulate?
When she arrives at the Consulate, it should be quick and painless since she only needs to drop off a passport, right? Of course, there will be a long wait for the security check at the front door.
Thanks.
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Yes, the good news is we've found a joint sponsor. The blue slip requested for 2006-2008 tax returns/transcripts so we will have the IRS fax those ASAP. We are also going to include the 2009 tax return (we might as well since it's so close to April 15) so we're waiting on that from the accountant. Plus another 2-3 weeks of processing time in Guangzhou. So at least the wheels are turning on this one.
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We found a joint sponsor. Our joint sponsor says her latest tax returns were 40-50 pages. Would it be OK if we only sent the Form 1040 (2 pages) and W-2? I believe it's basically all the schedules that are creating weight.
Also, the blue slip asked for 2006-2008 tax returns. In theory we can get away with only the latest tax return, right? If we follow their directions word-for-word, the joint sponsor will be mailing roughly 150 pages to China (3 years x 50 pages per tax return = 150 pages).
If we request a tax transcript from IRS, would it be a lot of pages too? I would prefer not going this route because tax transcripts take up to 2 weeks, especially now (end of March) that the IRS is in busy-mode. So I am looking for legitimate ways to get our package to Guangzhou as fast and as conveniently as possible.
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It's really simple. Embassy in Beijing will mail you baby's passport and SSN after the consular officers see you in-person. Passport comes quick. SSN takes a while.
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Robert: I was furious and would have stormed over to ACH. But unfortunately I am not in China so I cannot go to GUZ to speak with the authorities.
I make 2X the amount required. I am an employee, not self-employed. Nothing odd about my job, except that I only started in January 2010. Was unemployed from June to Dec 2009. My wife went in with my pay stub, 2008 tax return, and IRS tax transcripts 2006-2008.
Randy: I think you're right. The poverty guidelines established by State are way lower than the "bottom line" that the VOs have in mind. Going forward, I recommend everyone to get a co-sponsor.
My wife was told that our co-sponsor will have to MAIL via postal service his/her original, signed I-864 (or I-864a), 3 years of tax returns, and proof of citizenship to GUZ along with the blue & green slips of paper the VO gave my wife. So I'm just waiting my wife's FedEx with the blue & green slips. When I get it, I will send it off with the co-sponsor information to GUZ.
How long does it usually take GUZ to process? Anyone shorter than Robert's 14 days?
To clarify #1 since you are doing CR-1 your Joint sponsor will provide an I-864 and (copies of IRS returns OR IRS Transcripts (Free from IRS)). Again I-864A is only used if the joint sponsor IS a member of YOUR household, and they are ADDING their income to your income to show support.From what I understand, the joint sponsor is 2nd in line to pay for immigrant's public benefits, after primary sponsor (petitioner). So a joint sponsor (regardless of whether he/she is a member of household or outsider) still holds an obligation to the immigrant, right?
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Note I-864A is for a member of your household like a spouse or working son or daughter to ADD their income to yours to help sponsor.
If joint sponsor is not a member of your household then they provide an I-864.
1 needs to be origional signed I-864 if you are doing CR-1 IR-1 I-134 if K-3. The return can be a copy, OR simple transcript from IRS.
2 she will get a call in letter to drop off passport
3 Many say stay away from them, you only need to send the consulate what they are asking for, a lawyer not needed to do that.
Can you clarify number 1? We are CR1.
Mailing documents to China takes about a week. I was going to scan the signed forms, have my wife print it out, and walk downstairs to the 5th floor with it. So in that case, my wife would be sending "copies."
My wife told me that she needed to include the blue / green slips with the documents when it's mailed in. If they needed originals, I would need to mail her originals (1 week) and have her mail the entire package in with the two slips, thus adding more delay.
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Our interview was 7:30am but I did not receive a phone call until 11:15am. Long wait at the Consulate.
My wife was told that our files looked great, except for my income. My current income is 2X the 125% of poverty line for my household size, but we were still told that we needed a co-sponsor and his/her 3-year tax returns. My wife was told to mail (by China Post) the documents to the Consulate.
1. Can we send copies? If I get the I-864A and 3 tax returns ASAP and scan them, my wife could print it while in Guangzhou and mail it to the Consulate. Or does the Consulate need the forms with original signatures?
2. Does my wife have to physically show up to deliver her passport after the Consulate approves of the financials?
3. On the way downstairs, my wife was approached by a law firm on the 1st floor which offered to serve as an intermediary (similar to a passport / visa expediting company). Are they reliable?
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the mrs. got her imm-visa this morning. like a walk in the park.
i thank everyone who replied back to my questions, but a very special thanks goes out to Kyle who was particularly helpful.
if anyone has any specific questions, i'll be glad to answer them here. note that my case was a DCF filing, so i'm probably not much help for those who are filing from overseas.
How long did it take? From the scheduled appointment time to receiving the pink slip?
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We are March 8 at 7:30am for CR1.
EDIT: We did not receive the P4 either. I just downloaded it from the Consulate website.
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What's involved in the medical examination process? Taking basic measurements like height and weight? Blood tests? Will there be any need to remove all your clothing?
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Hi My wife is big into Chinese tradition and I will pick her up at the airport on Friday afternoon. I wanted to have our house ready for her so here is what I was thinking if I forgot anything please fill me in
A dozen roses on the table at home. I cannot bring them to the airport the sheer cold will kill them
Candles not sure what scent to get I don't know what she likes if anybody has any suggestions. I know everybody is different however what I don't want to get something she might not like.
Rose pedals for the bed.
Should I carry her over the threashold like you do when your first married? Also should I bring her in threw the front door or the door in the garage?
and of course the house will be very clean. any other suggestions woudl be very helpful. Thanks
In China, 12 roses actually signals 1 heart for 2 people.
Instead, you want to buy 11 roses, which means 1 heart for 1 person.
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My wife's going to Guangzhou in 2 weeks for her CR1 interview. By then, our baby will be about 10 months old. Our baby was born in China in a Chinese hospital, so he has a birth certificate. We took him to the US Embassy in Beijing to get his US passport and Social Security Card. Our baby does not have Chinese citizenship aka household registration (»§¿Ú).
How do we bring our son out of China? We went to the Entry-Exit Bureau (³öÈë¾³) and they said we just have to fill out an application & wait 2 weeks for our baby's Exit Permit (ͨÐÐÖ¤). Sounded like a smooth and straightforward procedure.
I have also heard horror stories online where a Canadian father & Chinese mother couldn't bring their Canadian baby out of China because the Entry-Exit Bureau denied it. Not sure of the details why. Simply heard it floating around.
Does anyone have experience with this issue?
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Also, the Chinese people are going to demand a higher and higher quality of life. I mean, eventually people are going to say, "Ok. We have enough money now. I'd like to stop living in a giant cloud of pollution and worrying about whether my milk is made of poison". That costs money and slows growth. But on the bright side, it will welcome the Chinese into a life of, not just wealth, but actual prosperity (which I think everyone deserves).
Yes. There are already some manufacturers that are moving their plants to faraway places such as Africa, where the plants would be closer to the necessary raw materials - thereby eliminating pollution at home. Meanwhile domestic employees move higher up the value chain (i.e. design).
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So our relative in Beijing will receive an envelope from EMS.
It will be one large EMS envelope with these contents:
- Passport with visa
- Sealed immigration envelope (not to be opened until POE)
Is that correct?
- Passport with visa
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My wife will be getting her medical exam & vaccinations in Guangzhou right before our CR1 interview.
The Consulate's instructions list 2 approved centers for medical examinations: Health Care Center of Guangdong International Travel and Guangzhou United Family Clinic.
Over the phone, they both gave me the same price quote, and both told me they could do same-day service at no additional charge. Any advice on picking one over the other?
The Health Care Center is also listed as an approved vaccination center, while the United Family Clinic is not. Although they both give out the yellow vaccination booklets. Over the phone, United Family Clinic claimed the Consulate wouldn't have any problems accepting their vaccinations. Could anyone verify this? Thanks!
Tourist Visa vs. Chinese Travel Document
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My wife (currently PRC citizen) and I (American) had our eldest child born in northern China. Immediately after birth, we rushed our son to the US Embassy in Beijing to obtain a birth certificate and US Passport. Since then, we have moved to the US, and my wife has obtained a Green Card. Today our son is 4-and-a-half years old, and we are planning his first visit China.
When we went to the Chinese Consulate to apply for a tourist L Visa, the Consulate declined our visa application and asked us to apply for a Chinese Travel Document (旅行证) on the basis that my wife obtained her Green Card AFTER he was born in China.
Despite being cheaper ($25 versus $140), I am reluctant to apply for a Chinese Travel Document. Instead of a visa that gets glued into a page of your US Passport, the Travel Document actually resembles a passport book. I have heard that, upon entering with a Travel Document, Chinese immigration does not stamp your US Passport showing the date of entry. I imagine this presents questions with US immigration when returning home. Most importantly I believe it's a matter of principle: If my son is American, why should he be carrying around anything issued by a foreign government during his travels? It doesn't feel right.
Does anyone have experience with Chinese Travel Documents? Or with experience in applying for L Visas after September 1, 2013 for an American born in China?